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Reply #75 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 10:43am

Grendel wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 10:33am:

Bam wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 10:04am:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 17^th, 2017 at 8:56pm:

More than 100 years of photography at Manly Beach in my electorate does not suggest that sea levels have risen

Everything is ok - no global warming at Manly ? Is this guy for real ?

He's so ignorant about science that he has no idea how sea level is actually measured.

I'm guessing he's making an anecdotal statement.
To disprove his point one needs to come up with some facts.

Not at all, Grendel. One just needs to come up with some pictures.

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Enquiring mind Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 104480	Re: Abbott's Speech - good or bad. Reply #76 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 10:45am
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Reply #78 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 12:57pm

tickleandrose wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 10:01am:

Coastal erosion. Wink

Plus, that Mr Abbott said was not anything scientific. Old photographs are not standard in terms of placing of camera, the timing of measurements. So there is no way to detect coastal erosion, or sea level changes. Mr Abbott, said this... so that, people who are less.... erh... educated? take this as some sort of gospel.

For measurements about sea level increases in Australia, head over to CSIRO, there are records and measurements going back to 1880s.

This howler from Abbott's speech highlights how little he actually knows on the topic. He probably doesn't even know how tides work.

Oh, look! I can prove from a photograph that sea levels are actually FALLING!

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Reply #79 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 12:59pm

Grendel wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 10:33am:

Bam wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 10:04am:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 17^th, 2017 at 8:56pm:

More than 100 years of photography at Manly Beach in my electorate does not suggest that sea levels have risen

Everything is ok - no global warming at Manly ? Is this guy for real ?

He's so ignorant about science that he has no idea how sea level is actually measured.

I'm guessing he's making an anecdotal statement.
To disprove his point one needs to come up with some facts.

The burden of proof fallacy, eh?

I have a radical idea. How about Abbott prove his point with facts of his own? Take sea levels, for example. He should prove that undated photographs are the best way to measure sea levels over time.

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Reply #80 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 1:48pm

Bam wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 12:59pm:

He should prove that undated photographs are the best way to measure sea levels over time.

They are not. One would have to take all the photos at Mean Sea Level Height. Just as you can not take the pictures of storm surge at King tide and say they are sea level.

Copy of the picture at NASA.

"Sea level rise is caused primarily by two factors related to global warming: the added water from melting ice sheets and glaciers and the expansion of sea water as it warms. The first graph tracks the change in sea level since 1993 as observed by satellites."

https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/sea-level/

So 2016 was the "hottest year evah", and yet sea level is tracking sideways? Wink

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Enquiring mind Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 104480	Re: Abbott's Speech - good or bad. Reply #81 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 2:19pm NASA? They're in on the scam too, Lee.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21646 Gender:	Re: Abbott's Speech - good or bad. Reply #82 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 2:41pm Enquiring mind wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 2:19pm: NASA? They're in on the scam too, Lee. Which scam is that? Increasing sea levels or increasing global temperatures? They would appear to be mutually exclusive.
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Re: Abbott's Speech - good or bad.
Reply #83 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 2:51pm

Bam wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 12:59pm:

Grendel wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 10:33am:

Bam wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 10:04am:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 17^th, 2017 at 8:56pm:

More than 100 years of photography at Manly Beach in my electorate does not suggest that sea levels have risen

Everything is ok - no global warming at Manly ? Is this guy for real ?

He's so ignorant about science that he has no idea how sea level is actually measured.

I'm guessing he's making an anecdotal statement.
To disprove his point one needs to come up with some facts.

The burden of proof fallacy, eh?

I have a radical idea. How about Abbott prove his point with facts of his own? Take sea levels, for example. He should prove that undated photographs are the best way to measure sea levels over time.

He made a speech Bam, get over it.
If you think his assertion is wrong... go and prove it is.

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Reply #84 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 2:53pm

tickleandrose wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 10:01am:

Coastal erosion. Wink

Plus, that Mr Abbott said was not anything scientific. Old photographs are not standard in terms of placing of camera, the timing of measurements. So there is no way to detect coastal erosion, or sea level changes. Mr Abbott, said this... so that, people who are less.... erh... educated? take this as some sort of gospel.

For measurements about sea level increases in Australia, head over to CSIRO, there are records and measurements going back to 1880s.

Good grief another one.
He was making a speech not a scientific treatise or lecture. I understood his point if you think his assertions are wrong. feel free to prove it.

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TheFunPolice Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9009 waggawagga Gender:	Re: Abbott's Speech - good or bad. Reply #85 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 3:00pm Grendel wrote on Oct 17^th, 2017 at 5:12pm: Well there you have it. IMO certainly not a bad speech, but hey, I'm not a hater. He's going down as worse than Howard!
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Reply #86 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 3:03pm

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 10:36am:

Grendel wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 9:52am:

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 9:05am:

Abbott' rant confirmed what every thinking person already knew....That his pretence to believe and act on global warming was all a ruse to make him electable....Now his priority is to tear down the Turnbull Government in the hope of a biblical return to the top job....Tell him he is dreaming!!!

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Given I actually posted the entire speech Phil you still cant come up with anything concrete to criticise from it... tsk tsk, tsk....

I have an opinion and will not be dictated too by your bias....I have already stated Abbott is a liar either when he said he believed in global warming or a liar now he claims it is crap....The bloke is a liar and has no moral conviction IMO!!!

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I'm not biased I don't particularly like Abbott, I don't hate him either. YOU have personal issues about someone you don't know and let them colour your opinion.
I want you to post something factual about his speech.

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Reply #87 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 3:05pm

Grendel wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 2:53pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 10:01am:

Coastal erosion. Wink

Plus, that Mr Abbott said was not anything scientific. Old photographs are not standard in terms of placing of camera, the timing of measurements. So there is no way to detect coastal erosion, or sea level changes. Mr Abbott, said this... so that, people who are less.... erh... educated? take this as some sort of gospel.

For measurements about sea level increases in Australia, head over to CSIRO, there are records and measurements going back to 1880s.

Good grief another one.
He was making a speech not a scientific treatise or lecture. I understood his point if you think his assertions are wrong. feel free to prove it.

His assertion as that global warming is probably good: he doesn't even care what he's saying!

He gave this country copper Internet so of course he doesn't care... Roll Eyes

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Abbott's Speech - good or bad. Reply #88 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 3:06pm TheFunPolice wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 3:00pm: Grendel wrote on Oct 17^th, 2017 at 5:12pm: Well there you have it. IMO certainly not a bad speech, but hey, I'm not a hater. He's going down as worse than Howard! Don't care. Not the topic. He certainly was a worse PM than Howard.
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Re: Abbott's Speech - good or bad.
Reply #89 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 3:07pm

TheFunPolice wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 3:05pm:

Grendel wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 2:53pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 10:01am:

Coastal erosion. Wink

Plus, that Mr Abbott said was not anything scientific. Old photographs are not standard in terms of placing of camera, the timing of measurements. So there is no way to detect coastal erosion, or sea level changes. Mr Abbott, said this... so that, people who are less.... erh... educated? take this as some sort of gospel.

For measurements about sea level increases in Australia, head over to CSIRO, there are records and measurements going back to 1880s.

Good grief another one.
He was making a speech not a scientific treatise or lecture. I understood his point if you think his assertions are wrong. feel free to prove it.

His assertion as that global warming is probably good: he doesn't even care what he's saying!

He gave this country copper Internet so of course he doesn't care... Roll Eyes

Actually if you read his speech you'd see that he said a certain amount of warming would be a good thing.

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