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Reply #60 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 9:52am

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 9:05am:

Abbott' rant confirmed what every thinking person already knew....That his pretence to believe and act on global warming was all a ruse to make him electable....Now his priority is to tear down the Turnbull Government in the hope of a biblical return to the top job....Tell him he is dreaming!!!

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Given I actually posted the entire speech Phil you still cant come up with anything concrete to criticise from it... tsk tsk, tsk....

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Reply #61 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 9:54am

John Smith wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 9:18am:

Grendel wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 8:02am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 17^th, 2017 at 9:03pm:

Grendel wrote on Oct 17^th, 2017 at 5:03pm:

to offer a common sense way through the climate conflict

lie

Grendel wrote on Oct 17^th, 2017 at 5:03pm:

to place this particular issue in the broader struggle for practical wisdom now taking place across the Western world.

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gee goose, that's only the first sentence Cheesy

he has no intention of using common sense nor is there any 'broader struggle for practical wisdom now taking place across the Western world' in climate change debate

You are an idiot... YOU don't even recognise the lies that come out of your mouth. Cheesy

You cant even stop yourself from TROLLING for 1 post.
Go ridicule and abuse someone who cares about you... surely no one here does. Cheesy

I showed you two lies just in the first sentence. .. you prefer to keep your head up your arse and pretend, go for it, just don't troll the forum doing so.

Told YOU already Trollboy... you don't recognise your own lies and stupidity.

Now run along back to the safety of your bridge... you bore me. Cheesy

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Reply #62 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 9:57am

tickleandrose wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 9:52am:

Grendel wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 9:45am:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Oct 17^th, 2017 at 9:01pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 17^th, 2017 at 8:56pm:

[highlight]More than 100 years of photography at Manly Beach in my electorate does not suggest that sea levels have risen [/highlight]

Everything is ok - no global warming at Manly ? Is this guy for real ?

Tony's that old? Well, I never....... those Viagrans sure live a long time.... must be one of those lizard people...... Komodo dragons live a long time.... so do tortoises... surely something has risen in that time... he has three daughters.. well, two daughters and one undecided it seems....

http://www.historicphotographs.com.au/searcher.asp?systemsearch=1&sitemode=2&pla...
https://au.pinterest.com/peteread/old-photos-of-manly/
My guess is that there would be more personal and science related photos available in various archives from the 1880s onwards.
Of course Tony's age would have no bearing on them... right?
Surely a serious discussion is not beyond people here.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newslocal/manly-daily/seawall-a-step-closer-for-residents-but-more-state-government-red-tape-could-still-block-protections/news-story/be29cf30dcb09b5af9f920d4c831c689

Sorry pretty busy today, but are you talking about the STORM damage?
Which BTW is not climate change or sea level rises.

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Reply #63 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 10:01am

Coastal erosion. Wink

Plus, that Mr Abbott said was not anything scientific. Old photographs are not standard in terms of placing of camera, the timing of measurements. So there is no way to detect coastal erosion, or sea level changes. Mr Abbott, said this... so that, people who are less.... erh... educated? take this as some sort of gospel.

For measurements about sea level increases in Australia, head over to CSIRO, there are records and measurements going back to 1880s.

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Bam Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21905 Gender:	Re: Abbott's Speech - good or bad. Reply #64 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 10:04am Dnarever wrote on Oct 17^th, 2017 at 8:56pm: More than 100 years of photography at Manly Beach in my electorate does not suggest that sea levels have risen Everything is ok - no global warming at Manly ? Is this guy for real ? He's so ignorant about science that he has no idea how sea level is actually measured.
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Enquiring mind Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 104452	Re: Abbott's Speech - good or bad. Reply #65 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 10:13am Quote: More than ever, the challenge of leadership is to say what you mean and do what you say. You see? How refreshing. What a tall glass of water.
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Re: Abbott's Speech - good or bad.
Reply #66 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 10:15am

Grendel wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 9:54am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 9:18am:

Grendel wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 8:02am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 17^th, 2017 at 9:03pm:

Grendel wrote on Oct 17^th, 2017 at 5:03pm:

to offer a common sense way through the climate conflict

lie

Grendel wrote on Oct 17^th, 2017 at 5:03pm:

to place this particular issue in the broader struggle for practical wisdom now taking place across the Western world.

lie

gee goose, that's only the first sentence Cheesy

he has no intention of using common sense nor is there any 'broader struggle for practical wisdom now taking place across the Western world' in climate change debate

You are an idiot... YOU don't even recognise the lies that come out of your mouth. Cheesy

You cant even stop yourself from TROLLING for 1 post.
Go ridicule and abuse someone who cares about you... surely no one here does. Cheesy

I showed you two lies just in the first sentence. .. you prefer to keep your head up your arse and pretend, go for it, just don't troll the forum doing so.

Told YOU already Trollboy... you don't recognise your own lies and stupidity.

Now run along back to the safety of your bridge... you bore me. Cheesy

somehow you seem to be under the impression that you writing crap makes it gospel. What you told me was a load of poo. Repeating it won't improve the flavour.

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Re: Abbott's Speech - good or bad.
Reply #67 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 10:17am

Bam wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 10:04am:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 17^th, 2017 at 8:56pm:

More than 100 years of photography at Manly Beach in my electorate does not suggest that sea levels have risen

Everything is ok - no global warming at Manly ? Is this guy for real ?

He's so ignorant about science that he has no idea how sea level is actually measured.

Mr Abbott's hardly addressing the science here, Bam. This is about a return to Christian values:

Quote:

We still accept the golden rule of human conduct: to treat others as we would have them treat us – or to use the Gospel formula to “love your neighbour as you love yourself” – but we’re running on empty.

In Britain and Australia, scarcely 50 per cent describe themselves as Christian, down from 90 per cent a generation back. For decades, we’ve been losing our religious faith but we’re fast losing our religious knowledge too. We’re less a post-Christian society than a non-Christian, or even an anti-Christian one. It hasn’t left us less susceptible to dogma, though, because we still need things to believe in and causes to fight for; it’s just that believers can now be found for almost anything and everything.

Climate change is by no means the sole or even the most significant symptom of the changing interests and values of the West. Still, only societies with high levels of cultural amnesia – that have forgotten the scriptures about man created “in the image and likeness of God” and charged with “subduing the earth and all its creatures” – could have made such a religion out of it.

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Reply #68 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 10:33am

Bam wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 10:04am:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 17^th, 2017 at 8:56pm:

More than 100 years of photography at Manly Beach in my electorate does not suggest that sea levels have risen

Everything is ok - no global warming at Manly ? Is this guy for real ?

He's so ignorant about science that he has no idea how sea level is actually measured.

I'm guessing he's making an anecdotal statement.
To disprove his point one needs to come up with some facts.

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Re: Abbott's Speech - good or bad.
Reply #69 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 10:35am

John Smith wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 10:15am:

Grendel wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 9:54am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 9:18am:

Grendel wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 8:02am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 17^th, 2017 at 9:03pm:

Grendel wrote on Oct 17^th, 2017 at 5:03pm:

to offer a common sense way through the climate conflict

lie

Grendel wrote on Oct 17^th, 2017 at 5:03pm:

to place this particular issue in the broader struggle for practical wisdom now taking place across the Western world.

lie

gee goose, that's only the first sentence Cheesy

he has no intention of using common sense nor is there any 'broader struggle for practical wisdom now taking place across the Western world' in climate change debate

You are an idiot... YOU don't even recognise the lies that come out of your mouth. Cheesy

You cant even stop yourself from TROLLING for 1 post.
Go ridicule and abuse someone who cares about you... surely no one here does. Cheesy

I showed you two lies just in the first sentence. .. you prefer to keep your head up your arse and pretend, go for it, just don't troll the forum doing so.

Told YOU already Trollboy... you don't recognise your own lies and stupidity.

Now run along back to the safety of your bridge... you bore me. Cheesy

somehow you seem to be under the impression that you writing crap makes it gospel. What you told me was a load of poo. Repeating it won't improve the flavour.

I'm sowwy widdle Johnny...
BUT you have no idea about what is true and what is a lie. Cheesy

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Re: Abbott's Speech - good or bad.
Reply #70 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 10:35am

Enquiring mind wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 10:17am:

Bam wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 10:04am:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 17^th, 2017 at 8:56pm:

More than 100 years of photography at Manly Beach in my electorate does not suggest that sea levels have risen

Everything is ok - no global warming at Manly ? Is this guy for real ?

He's so ignorant about science that he has no idea how sea level is actually measured.

Mr Abbott's hardly addressing the science here, Bam. This is about a return to Christian values:

Quote:

We still accept the golden rule of human conduct: to treat others as we would have them treat us – or to use the Gospel formula to “love your neighbour as you love yourself” – but we’re running on empty.

In Britain and Australia, scarcely 50 per cent describe themselves as Christian, down from 90 per cent a generation back. For decades, we’ve been losing our religious faith but we’re fast losing our religious knowledge too. We’re less a post-Christian society than a non-Christian, or even an anti-Christian one. It hasn’t left us less susceptible to dogma, though, because we still need things to believe in and causes to fight for; it’s just that believers can now be found for almost anything and everything.

Climate change is by no means the sole or even the most significant symptom of the changing interests and values of the West. Still, only societies with high levels of cultural amnesia – that have forgotten the scriptures about man created “in the image and likeness of God” and charged with “subduing the earth and all its creatures” – could have made such a religion out of it.

Nothing about his speech is scientific, as well as the audience that he is speaking to.

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Reply #71 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 10:36am

Grendel wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 9:52am:

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 9:05am:

Abbott' rant confirmed what every thinking person already knew....That his pretence to believe and act on global warming was all a ruse to make him electable....Now his priority is to tear down the Turnbull Government in the hope of a biblical return to the top job....Tell him he is dreaming!!!

Roll Eyes

Given I actually posted the entire speech Phil you still cant come up with anything concrete to criticise from it... tsk tsk, tsk....

I have an opinion and will not be dictated too by your bias....I have already stated Abbott is a liar either when he said he believed in global warming or a liar now he claims it is crap....The bloke is a liar and has no moral conviction IMO!!!

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Reply #72 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 10:37am

tickleandrose wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 10:35am:

Enquiring mind wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 10:17am:

Bam wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 10:04am:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 17^th, 2017 at 8:56pm:

More than 100 years of photography at Manly Beach in my electorate does not suggest that sea levels have risen

Everything is ok - no global warming at Manly ? Is this guy for real ?

He's so ignorant about science that he has no idea how sea level is actually measured.

Mr Abbott's hardly addressing the science here, Bam. This is about a return to Christian values:

Quote:

We still accept the golden rule of human conduct: to treat others as we would have them treat us – or to use the Gospel formula to “love your neighbour as you love yourself” – but we’re running on empty.

In Britain and Australia, scarcely 50 per cent describe themselves as Christian, down from 90 per cent a generation back. For decades, we’ve been losing our religious faith but we’re fast losing our religious knowledge too. We’re less a post-Christian society than a non-Christian, or even an anti-Christian one. It hasn’t left us less susceptible to dogma, though, because we still need things to believe in and causes to fight for; it’s just that believers can now be found for almost anything and everything.

Climate change is by no means the sole or even the most significant symptom of the changing interests and values of the West. Still, only societies with high levels of cultural amnesia – that have forgotten the scriptures about man created “in the image and likeness of God” and charged with “subduing the earth and all its creatures” – could have made such a religion out of it.

Nothing about his speech is scientific, as well as the audience that he is speaking to.

He's talking about climate change and energy policy being political, not scientific. So unfair.

AXE THE TAX.

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Reply #73 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 10:38am

Enquiring mind wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 10:17am:

Bam wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 10:04am:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 17^th, 2017 at 8:56pm:

More than 100 years of photography at Manly Beach in my electorate does not suggest that sea levels have risen

Everything is ok - no global warming at Manly ? Is this guy for real ?

He's so ignorant about science that he has no idea how sea level is actually measured.

Mr Abbott's hardly addressing the science here, Bam. This is about a return to Christian values:

Quote:

We still accept the golden rule of human conduct: to treat others as we would have them treat us – or to use the Gospel formula to “love your neighbour as you love yourself” – but we’re running on empty.

In Britain and Australia, scarcely 50 per cent describe themselves as Christian, down from 90 per cent a generation back. For decades, we’ve been losing our religious faith but we’re fast losing our religious knowledge too. We’re less a post-Christian society than a non-Christian, or even an anti-Christian one. It hasn’t left us less susceptible to dogma, though, because we still need things to believe in and causes to fight for; it’s just that believers can now be found for almost anything and everything.

Climate change is by no means the sole or even the most significant symptom of the changing interests and values of the West. Still, only societies with high levels of cultural amnesia – that have forgotten the scriptures about man created “in the image and likeness of God” and charged with “subduing the earth and all its creatures” – could have made such a religion out of it.

So karnal now you are trying to relate a piece of his speech with science with something that has nothing to do with science? Is that it? You do realise he is not addressing science there don't you?

Are you being a disingenuous troll again?

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Reply #74 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 10:39am

Grendel wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 10:35am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 10:15am:

Grendel wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 9:54am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 9:18am:

Grendel wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 8:02am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 17^th, 2017 at 9:03pm:

Grendel wrote on Oct 17^th, 2017 at 5:03pm:

to offer a common sense way through the climate conflict

lie

Grendel wrote on Oct 17^th, 2017 at 5:03pm:

to place this particular issue in the broader struggle for practical wisdom now taking place across the Western world.

lie

gee goose, that's only the first sentence Cheesy

he has no intention of using common sense nor is there any 'broader struggle for practical wisdom now taking place across the Western world' in climate change debate

You are an idiot... YOU don't even recognise the lies that come out of your mouth. Cheesy

You cant even stop yourself from TROLLING for 1 post.
Go ridicule and abuse someone who cares about you... surely no one here does. Cheesy

I showed you two lies just in the first sentence. .. you prefer to keep your head up your arse and pretend, go for it, just don't troll the forum doing so.

Told YOU already Trollboy... you don't recognise your own lies and stupidity.

Now run along back to the safety of your bridge... you bore me. Cheesy

somehow you seem to be under the impression that you writing crap makes it gospel. What you told me was a load of poo. Repeating it won't improve the flavour.

I'm sowwy widdle Johnny...
BUT you have no idea about what is true and what is a lie. Cheesy

pull your head out of your arse and try reading it again

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