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Reply #45 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 8:04am

Dnarever wrote on Oct 17^th, 2017 at 8:19pm:

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In Australia, we’ve had ten years of disappointing government. It’s not just the churn of prime ministers that now rivals Italy’s, the internal divisions and the policy confusion that followed a quarter century of strong government under Bob Hawke and John Howard.

Wonder if Tony understands that he was a major contributor to that poor government ?

This part was correct.

So not a lie... very good.

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Reply #46 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 8:06am

Dnarever wrote on Oct 17^th, 2017 at 8:23pm:

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We still accept the golden rule of human conduct: to treat others as we would have them treat us – or to use the Gospel formula to “love your neighbour as you love yourself” – but we’re running on empty.

This does not seem to be the type of thing that kick them when they are down and then kick them again Tony would do. He sure loves those boat people. I doubt he or anyone would want to be treated like he treated them?

I doubt that Tony passes the test on this type of behaviour... but... both major parties have virtually the same policy when it comes to asylum seekers and country shoppers.
Unfortunately for us, the ALP had to learn that lesson the hard way.
Seems something you haven't learnt yet DNA.
Clearly though Abbott recognises the mess that Parliament currently is.

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Reply #47 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 8:09am

Dnarever wrote on Oct 17^th, 2017 at 8:29pm:

The first page of the speech was generic and not too bad if hard to associate with what we know about Abbott's actual performance.

The 5 following pages of climate rant would qualify as rubbish. Mostly misquoted and exaggerated facts wrapped in utter BS with just enough close to true to mask it a bit and make parts sound plausible if you didn't know Tony.

Time I will never get back.

Then it shouldn't be hard to post just 1 example should it?
You should seek help with your personal and political bias though. Cant help your judgement can it. Cheesy

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Enquiring mind Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 104455	Re: Abbott's Speech - good or bad. Reply #48 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 8:58am Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 4:34am: It was a magnificent speech. I did not even have to hear it to know that. You never do, Sprint.
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philperth2010 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21097 Perth Gender:	Re: Abbott's Speech - good or bad. Reply #49 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 9:05am Abbott' rant confirmed what every thinking person already knew....That his pretence to believe and act on global warming was all a ruse to make him electable....Now his priority is to tear down the Turnbull Government in the hope of a biblical return to the top job....Tell him he is dreaming!!!
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Reply #50 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 9:18am

Grendel wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 8:02am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 17^th, 2017 at 9:03pm:

Grendel wrote on Oct 17^th, 2017 at 5:03pm:

to offer a common sense way through the climate conflict

lie

Grendel wrote on Oct 17^th, 2017 at 5:03pm:

to place this particular issue in the broader struggle for practical wisdom now taking place across the Western world.

lie

gee goose, that's only the first sentence Cheesy

he has no intention of using common sense nor is there any 'broader struggle for practical wisdom now taking place across the Western world' in climate change debate

You are an idiot... YOU don't even recognise the lies that come out of your mouth. Cheesy

You cant even stop yourself from TROLLING for 1 post.
Go ridicule and abuse someone who cares about you... surely no one here does. Cheesy

I showed you two lies just in the first sentence. .. you prefer to keep your head up your arse and pretend, go for it, just don't troll the forum doing so.

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #51 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 9:35am

Dnarever wrote on Oct 17^th, 2017 at 8:54pm:

Then there’s the evidence that higher concentrations of carbon dioxide (which is a plant food after all) are actually greening the planet and helping to lift agricultural yields. In most countries, far more people die in cold snaps than in heat waves, so a gradual lift in global temperatures, especially if it’s accompanied by more prosperity and more capacity to adapt to change, might even be beneficial.

Global warming is beneficial - Idiot.

Hmmm so where was he wrong again, I mean you wouldn't just shout slogans and call him an idiot for no reason right? Cheesy

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Abbott's Speech - good or bad. Reply #52 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 9:36am Dnarever wrote on Oct 17^th, 2017 at 8:56pm: More than 100 years of photography at Manly Beach in my electorate does not suggest that sea levels have risen Everything is ok - no global warming at Manly ? Is this guy for real ? Do you have proof of sea level rises in manly? Or is he correct?
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Reply #53 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 9:36am

The speech itself is delusional. He thinks that the coalition lost the seats due to not campaigning for lower energy cost. Well, they cant, because, energy cost have GONE up! But ultimate, those seats were lost, due primary to the incompetence of Mr Abbott himself.

Prior to the election he promised: no cuts to education, no cuts to health, no change to pensions, no change to the GST and no cuts to the ABC or SBS" under a Coalition government. And no new taxes without an election.

He broke every one of these promises in the first budget.

There are still many items from that budget that is still have not passed.

Look, Mr Abbot is no doubt very right wing conservative. He should just own up and tell it as it is. That he believe in his policies, however, the public does not agree with him. If he does that, then, I will have more respect for him. But not this... its everyone else's fault ... primary school attitude. I mean at least, Ms Pauline Hanson, I totally disagree with her policies and stances, but she is at least honest about her personal belief - sort of what you see is what you get.

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Reply #54 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 9:45am

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Oct 17^th, 2017 at 9:01pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 17^th, 2017 at 8:56pm:

[highlight]More than 100 years of photography at Manly Beach in my electorate does not suggest that sea levels have risen [/highlight]

Everything is ok - no global warming at Manly ? Is this guy for real ?

Tony's that old? Well, I never....... those Viagrans sure live a long time.... must be one of those lizard people...... Komodo dragons live a long time.... so do tortoises... surely something has risen in that time... he has three daughters.. well, two daughters and one undecided it seems....

http://www.historicphotographs.com.au/searcher.asp?systemsearch=1&sitemode=2&pla...
https://au.pinterest.com/peteread/old-photos-of-manly/
My guess is that there would be more personal and science related photos available in various archives from the 1880s onwards.
Of course Tony's age would have no bearing on them... right?
Surely a serious discussion is not beyond people here.

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Reply #55 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 9:46am

Dnarever wrote on Oct 17^th, 2017 at 9:02pm:

In July 2014, the Abbott government abolished the carbon tax, saving [highlight]the average household about $500 a year.[/highlight]

Is tony still propagating this lie ? well yes he is. Where did the other $50 go ???

Is it a lie.... you of course can supply some facts right?

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Reply #56 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 9:48am

Dnarever wrote on Oct 17^th, 2017 at 9:13pm:

Physics suggests, all other things being equal, that an increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide would indeed warm the planet. Even so, the atmosphere is an almost infinitely complex mechanism that’s far from fully understood.

Yet Tony ignores what the scientists who study climate tell him in favour of the opinions of the nutter Lord Mockington.

yet you ignore the science and scientists that tell you otherwise.

There is NO Consensus

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 156190 Gender:	Re: Abbott's Speech - good or bad. Reply #57 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 9:49am Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 4:34am: It was a magnificent speech. Magnifique! 10/10
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Reply #58 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 9:52am

Grendel wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 9:45am:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Oct 17^th, 2017 at 9:01pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 17^th, 2017 at 8:56pm:

[highlight]More than 100 years of photography at Manly Beach in my electorate does not suggest that sea levels have risen [/highlight]

Everything is ok - no global warming at Manly ? Is this guy for real ?

Tony's that old? Well, I never....... those Viagrans sure live a long time.... must be one of those lizard people...... Komodo dragons live a long time.... so do tortoises... surely something has risen in that time... he has three daughters.. well, two daughters and one undecided it seems....

http://www.historicphotographs.com.au/searcher.asp?systemsearch=1&sitemode=2&pla...
https://au.pinterest.com/peteread/old-photos-of-manly/
My guess is that there would be more personal and science related photos available in various archives from the 1880s onwards.
Of course Tony's age would have no bearing on them... right?
Surely a serious discussion is not beyond people here.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newslocal/manly-daily/seawall-a-step-closer-for-residents-but-more-state-government-red-tape-could-still-block-protections/news-story/be29cf30dcb09b5af9f920d4c831c689

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Bam Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21905 Gender:	Re: Abbott's Speech - good or bad. Reply #59 - Oct 18^th, 2017 at 9:52am Grendel wrote on Oct 17^th, 2017 at 6:40pm: pretty long speech... can't all be lies... right? pretty long speech... can't all be true... right?
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