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How corrupt union thugs killed the car industry
Oct 16th, 2017 at 10:22am
 
The Lefties look the other way whenever it is explained how Bull S.'s corrupt Commo unions forced Ford, Holden, and Toyota to leave Australia.

Bull S.'s corrupt Commo evil anti Australian unions are forcing industry to leave Australia.

Are the Chinese paying the unions to do this ? Massive corruption!!!





Unions only have themselves to blame for car factory closures
Robert Gottliebsen Business columnist Melbourne The Australian  8:15AM October 16, 2017
   
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A staff member at the Toyota manufacturing plant in Altona, Melbourne, where the end of manufacturing resulted in the loss of 2600 jobs. Photo: AAP

While all of us feel sorry for the personal plight of the General Motors, Toyota and Ford motor workers, don’t forget that it was the attitude of the workers of 2012-14 and their unions that was the main cause of the closures. It is both a personal and national disaster.

While the unions and workers have only themselves to blame, the situation was not helped by a government in Canberra that believed the mining boom meant we did not need a motor industry. In addition, as I describe below, both General Motors and Toyota in Australia were hit hard by the so called “free trade” agreements with countries like the US and Thailand.

All three motor companies had what I called at the time ”industrial agreements from hell” in which not only were there generous wages but, more disastrously, the unions, not the mangers, controlled the shop floor.

In June 2013, I wrote these words: “Make no mistake, General Motors in the US is not bluffing. If there is no new labour agreement with its Australian workforce within six weeks then Australian manufacturing will cease.”

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GMH managing director Mike Devereux announces the Holden closure back in December 2013. Photo: Calum Robertson

The then-GMH Australia managing director Mike Devereux had made this clear to an American Chamber of Commerce luncheon in Melbourne. Unfortunately the workers and the unions preferred to lose their jobs rather than adopt modern work practices and return control of the shop floor to managers. Accordingly I was right. General Motors in Detroit made the closure decision some six weeks later but the announcement was delayed until December 2013.

The managers knew they would also lose their jobs and had fought desperately to convince the unions and workers that the axe was about to fall. After the six weeks deadline had passed they started to make progress but it was too late.

Why had the game changed? First the governments of both parties had subsidised motor making, understanding that in part they were covering the cost of the work practices. Second, the mining boom had boosted the dollar, making the cost of those work practices even higher but also leaving the Coalition less willing to subsidise. A series of unhelpful statements by the then-Treasurer Joe Hockey sent a message (probably incorrectly) to Detroit that he did not care whether General Motors in Australia shut or not.

In the case of Ford, the axe had fallen earlier and with no warning. Crazy Ford workers had actually gone on strike to get a similar “agreement from hell” to GMH. The Ford workers “won” but for both the foolish Ford managers and the workers, signing that agreement was their death warrant.

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Workers gather to watch the last car to be manufactured at Toyota’s Altona plant leave the site earlier this month. Photo: Tony Gough

Toyota was more complex. The Japanese made a serious mistake in taking old-style, inflexible people from its Port Melbourne plant to the new plant in Altona. They foolishly signed an agreement, which gave vast areas of plant control to the unions

With the Ford closure and General Motors thinking about closing, Toyota started to ponder leaving Australia. Unbelievably the unions responded by going to the courts to block a vote on changes to rosters and holidays.

Toyota executives in Nagoya said: “Why should we have a fight with Australian unions?” It was clear in Japan that Australian workers did not understand what was happening in the world. There are lots of other countries where workers want employment.

To be fair, in the case of Toyota there were other factors.

The first Toyota closure reason was actually the so-called “free trade” agreements that Australia signed. Probably these agreements had more of an effect on Japanese executives in Nagoya than anything else.


And this sick sorry saga of blatant union thuggish corruption continues overleaf

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Reply #1 - Oct 16th, 2017 at 10:22am
 
And this sick sorry saga of blatant union thuggish corruption continues...

The Japanese could not understand why we kept signing “free trade” agreements that were not free trade agreements at all. John Howard signed the Thailand free trade agreement, which allowed free entry of Thai motor parts into Australia but whacked huge tariffs and other restrictions on exports of Australian motor parts and cars into Thailand. We were conned.

General Motors in Australia complained that the so-called US “free trade” agreement prevented unfettered access of Australian cars to the United States. Conned again.

In 2013-14, the Japanese believed that the looming Korean — and indeed Japanese — “free trade” deals would see the Australian motor industry unfairly disadvantaged once again.

Australia could overcome the effect of these “free trade” deals with massive subsidies. The Japanese could never work it out and assumed that Australians were either stupid or did not want a motor industry.

There is no doubt the Japanese would never have invested in Australia had they known the dollar was to rise in the wake if the mining investment boom.

It should be remembered that industrial agreements like those in the motor industry were prevalent across Australia. Qantas, the building industry, the steel industry (BlueScope and Arrium) and the food industry all had them.

Qantas made itself a modern airline thanks to chief executive Alan Joyce and his chairman Leigh Clifford; BlueScope did a similar exercise with top managers while Arrium had to go broke to make the changes. Some progress has been made in food thanks to tough action by the main customers, the supermarkets, but there is further to go

In commercial building industry the government is trying the overcome weak managers via legislation.

The paradox in the motor industry is that whereas scale was the main problem plaguing Australian motor making for most of the industry’s life, by 2012-14 that was ceasing to be a problem thanks to robots and the need for smaller scale specialised plants. Our time had come but we were too silly to take advantage.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/opinion/robert-gottliebsen/unions-only-...


Comments to tickle the Lefties' tonsils

Christine 12 minutes ago
Having worked in the auto industry & having had to deal with the union bosses - I can clearly attest that they operated in a parallel universe.  They did not grasp the basics of business, in that you need to make a profit before you can pay the unrealistic ransom demands imposed on the auto companies by the unions.  Intimidation, threats, product sabotage, shut downs....they were a normal part of how the unions operated.  They helped to send the auto industry & their workers jobs to the wall.  The unions are very good at that - no matter the industry!

Wayne 13 minutes ago
Previously Robert had written that the mining boom caused some of this. Tradies doing work for mining jobs were well paid. Unions pulled the 'equal work must have equal pay' message to get higher rates for the manufacturing industry. While the mining industry could afford this, the manufacturing industry could not.

Raymond 20 minutes ago
About 25 years ago Canada's largest coal mining company held a meeting of all employees asking the employees to make wage concessions to save the company from closing down.   Encouraged by the United Mine Workers of America union officials the men rejected the requests, believing that the company was bluffing.   At midnight  the mine closed down and everybody except the union officials lost their jobs.    New competition from Australian coal exporters was a factor but the killer was that the socialist government of the province of British Columbia poured heavy subsidies into starting up a new coal mine further north and the government-subsidized competition halved the exports of the established private enterprise coal company and sent them broke.

Joan 28 minutes ago
Unions kill businesses. That’s a fact.
P.S. and Socialist Governments that give them all the power they need.

Paul 32 minutes ago
It is sad and sorry that it has come to this in Australia. The nation could have retained the capacity to continue with manufacture of electric vehicles well into the future, but all is lost to overseas industrial nations.

What is left here? We have ceeded enormous advantage to China and India with their ability to build new power stations. We have lost countless manufacturing businesses either through closure or overseas take over.

We are seeing hoardes of migrants and attempted assylum seekers gravitating here which has placed huge strains on our crumbling infrastructure, roads and suburbs. Hospital services are strained beyond belief and health funds are fraying at the seams because of the drop out rates of members.

Power and energy prices are out of control as against inflation. The crazy thing is that anyone in politics (with the talent and ability to do so) who tried or tries to rectify the causes of these problems is howled down and never able to secure a lasting mandate to set things right.
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Reply #2 - Oct 16th, 2017 at 10:26am
 
I'm sorry I thought we explained the fact it was a multifactorial issue earlier, why a new thread?
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Reply #3 - Oct 16th, 2017 at 10:29am
 
BH rocks into the standard Lefty denial mode.

Not very convincing but then Political Correct arguments are never very convincing and are based on - If you don't agree with me THEN YOU ARE WRONG!!!!
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Reply #4 - Oct 16th, 2017 at 10:29am
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 10:26am:
I'm sorry I thought we explained the fact it was a multifactorial issue earlier, why a new thread?


juliar does whatever the Young Liberals tell him (and pay him) to do.

He needs to supplement his Mcdonald's income.

Posting Liberal Party propaganda on internet forums helps pay the bills.

I wonder what Turnbull would think if he found out it was cash in hand.

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Reply #5 - Oct 16th, 2017 at 10:34am
 
And now the gecko troll is trying to sound intelligent.
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Reply #6 - Oct 16th, 2017 at 10:37am
 
juliar wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 10:29am:
BH rocks into the standard Lefty denial mode.

Not very convincing but then Political Correct arguments are never very convincing and are based on - If you don't agree with me THEN YOU ARE WRONG!!!!




I never said the unins aren't to blame. My position is that the collapse of the Australian car industry involves many factors, merely one of which is union involvement

Others would include

1) Small market
2) Change in Aussie car buying markets from just buying Falcodores to SUVs etc and the failure/inability  of Holden and Ford Australia to diversify
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Reply #7 - Oct 16th, 2017 at 10:41am
 
juliar wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 10:34am:
And now the gecko troll is trying to sound intelligent.


Would you like Newspoll with that?

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Reply #8 - Oct 16th, 2017 at 10:55am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 10:41am:
juliar wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 10:34am:
And now the gecko troll is trying to sound intelligent.


Would you like Newspoll with that?

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Reply #9 - Oct 16th, 2017 at 10:56am
 
The Japanese could not understand why we kept signing “free trade” agreements that were not free trade agreements at all. John Howard signed the Thailand free trade agreement, which allowed free entry of Thai motor parts into Australia but whacked huge tariffs and other restrictions on exports of Australian motor parts and cars into Thailand. We were conned.


Not that there is any credibility with Juliar's post, but seems like another own goal.  Yes, John Howard is responsible for getting us conned.
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Reply #10 - Oct 16th, 2017 at 10:58am
 
stunspore wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 10:56am:
The Japanese could not understand why we kept signing “free trade” agreements that were not free trade agreements at all. John Howard signed the Thailand free trade agreement, which allowed free entry of Thai motor parts into Australia but whacked huge tariffs and other restrictions on exports of Australian motor parts and cars into Thailand. We were conned.


Not that there is any credibility with Juliar's post, but seems like another own goal.  Yes, John Howard is responsible for getting us conned.



Absolutely, add that to the multi-factorial nature of the problem.
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Reply #11 - Oct 16th, 2017 at 11:04am
 
And yet all companies have strongly claimed that unions and employment conditions had nothing to do with it but loss of subsidisation and Hockey telling them to leave did.

Hockey told GM to go and they said OK. This left Toyota alone and without the common shared infrastructure needed for them to survive. They had no choice and it had nothing to do with unions.
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Reply #12 - Oct 16th, 2017 at 11:11am
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 10:37am:
juliar wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 10:29am:
BH rocks into the standard Lefty denial mode.

Not very convincing but then Political Correct arguments are never very convincing and are based on - If you don't agree with me THEN YOU ARE WRONG!!!!




I never said the unins aren't to blame. My position is that the collapse of the Australian car industry involves many factors, merely one of which is union involvement

Others would include

1) Small market
2) Change in Aussie car buying markets from just buying Falcodores to SUVs etc and the failure/inability  of Holden and Ford Australia to diversify


Ford and holden consistently made 3rd rate cars.
This happened for 40 years.  Their sales dropped.
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Reply #13 - Oct 16th, 2017 at 11:14am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 11:11am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 10:37am:
juliar wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 10:29am:
BH rocks into the standard Lefty denial mode.

Not very convincing but then Political Correct arguments are never very convincing and are based on - If you don't agree with me THEN YOU ARE WRONG!!!!




I never said the unins aren't to blame. My position is that the collapse of the Australian car industry involves many factors, merely one of which is union involvement

Others would include

1) Small market
2) Change in Aussie car buying markets from just buying Falcodores to SUVs etc and the failure/inability  of Holden and Ford Australia to diversify


Ford and holden consistently made 3rd rate cars.
This happened for 40 years.  Their sales dropped.



Add that as well.  Part of tha t was the protection of the industry and everyone just buying their cars, no need to innovate and be good.
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Reply #14 - Oct 16th, 2017 at 11:34am
 
Multifaceted BH is back tracking and copying bits of Rob Bott's accurate discussion to try to save face. Classic politically correct Lefty pumping the old - If you don't agree with me THEN YOU ARE WRONG!!!!

Rob Bott has got it just so RIGHT and blows the corrupt union parasites out of the water.

If it can be shown the Chinese ARE paying the unions to close down ALL industry in Australia then it will be an election disaster for the unions' puppet Bull S. No doubt Mrs Cash and the Fair Go are on the case.


And Bull S.'s corrupt Commo unions caused ALL this to occur!!!!!

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A very clear and precise article outlining the facts and the huge mistakes made by the workers, the unions, the Governments and management. The highlight of this article proves that the unions are responsible for a huge percentage of blame in this saga.

Post GFC, the big three US car makers were bailed out by the people, this transformed the industry to change, its wage structures and the unions involvment, but it did learn from this.

NO, there was no bluffing from GM head quarters because it had to answer to the US tax payer, it was clear as crystal that unless there was something they could take back to Detroit, Holden was closing down. It's a shame really, the unions and our executives became so reliant on subsidies that they didn't make cars Australians wanted to buy.

Oh, the same thing happened to Ansett, unions destroyed that company and thousands of jobs, but somehow it's all the government's fault.

Union vandals are part of the problem. One remembers them driving Leyland Australia out of business in the 70s.

However, Australians did their bit by buying Australian made cars since 1978. Once it became fashionable to bag the local product, the end game began. One is not saying the Holden was an equal to a Mercedes, except in the value for money stakes.

Apparently Holden made 100,000 Commodores each year around 2002-04. Now it is 40,000. That low a production can't be sustained by any mainstream manufacturer.

The only god outcome from this is the unions have less members and less income. With the amount of protective legislation, and protective measures, awards and the FWC there is for employees, the sooner they are powerless the better.

Doesn't matter. Unions get bulk of their money from super funds and insurance policies now.
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