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Reply #15 - Oct 7^th, 2017 at 10:27pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 7^th, 2017 at 3:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 7^th, 2017 at 2:48pm:

Why do you care so much about how other people look?

Live and let live, Herbert.

Live and let live - yes, but not when it's an immigrant community that dresses its women like Aliens so as to better ensure their womenfolk don't have any meaningful communication with the locals.

Why don't you care about their isolation behind a black face-cover?

It's not my responsibility or yours to care. It's the individual's responsibility.

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Reply #16 - Oct 8^th, 2017 at 9:50am

Auggie wrote on Oct 7^th, 2017 at 10:26pm:

Ok but where do you draw the line?

What are the comfort and cultural expectations of a society of individuals in Australia?

And why should anyone feel 'confronted by a woman covering her face?

How long's a piece of string? Social values are always in flux in one direction or the other, sometimes becoming conservative and formal, and at other times loosening up to be more relaxed and liberal, but despite this ebb and flow some staples remain unchanged as the bedrock of our Judaeo-Christian heritage.

Regardless of the times, anti-social behaviour is anathema to the good order and cohesion of a community, and so a full-face covering has the public view the wearer as untrustworthy, anti-social, unreliable, deceitful, exclusionary, not a team player, hostile to associating with her fellow citizens, does not want to be identified, etc etc. In other words, someone who is a foreign entity to the degree she does not have our best interests at heart.

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Reply #17 - Oct 8^th, 2017 at 10:08am

Auggie wrote on Oct 7^th, 2017 at 10:27pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 7^th, 2017 at 3:00pm:

Why don't you care about their isolation behind a black face-cover?

It's not my responsibility or yours to care. It's the individual's responsibility.

So long as they choose to walk among us as fellow citizens they owe us the respect and the courtesy of dressing within the parameters of our social values and expectations.

I wouldn't be allowed to shop at my local Supermarket or walk around the streets in a budgie-smuggler and bare feet, and in just the same way is it inappropriate and an abuse of our cultural expectations that these knuckle-dragging religious Neanderthals should cover their faces in anonymous bondage while out-and-about among us.

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Reply #18 - Oct 8^th, 2017 at 10:10am

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 8^th, 2017 at 10:08am:

Auggie wrote on Oct 7^th, 2017 at 10:27pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 7^th, 2017 at 3:00pm:

Why don't you care about their isolation behind a black face-cover?

It's not my responsibility or yours to care. It's the individual's responsibility.

So long as they choose to walk among us as fellow citizens they owe us the respect and the courtesy of dressing within the parameters of our social values and expectations.

I wouldn't be allowed to shop at my local Supermarket or walk around the streets in a budgie-smuggler and bare feet ...

Yes you would.

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Reply #19 - Oct 8^th, 2017 at 10:22am

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 8^th, 2017 at 10:10am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 8^th, 2017 at 10:08am:

I wouldn't be allowed to shop at my local Supermarket or walk around the streets in a budgie-smuggler and bare feet ...

Yes you would.

A beachside suburb? ~ I'll give you that, but not in one of the Sydney 'Burbs far from the pounding surf.

'Dress Code' imperatives would soon kick in and find you being told to 'dress appropriately' as there are ladies present ... in the Supermarket ... in the bank queue ... in the restaurant ... in the Shopping Mall ... in the library ...

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Reply #20 - Oct 8^th, 2017 at 10:36am

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 8^th, 2017 at 10:22am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 8^th, 2017 at 10:10am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 8^th, 2017 at 10:08am:

I wouldn't be allowed to shop at my local Supermarket or walk around the streets in a budgie-smuggler and bare feet ...

Yes you would.

A beachside suburb? ~ I'll give you that, but not in one of the Sydney 'Burbs far from the pounding surf.

'Dress Code' imperatives would soon kick in and find you being told to 'dress appropriately' as there are ladies present ... in the Supermarket ... in the bank queue ... in the restaurant ... in the Shopping Mall ... in the library ...

Whatever.

You're talking about exposing the body, not covering it.

Two different things.

Let people cover up as much as they want.

In this country, it's a very sensible thing to do.

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Reply #21 - Oct 8^th, 2017 at 11:21am

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 8^th, 2017 at 10:36am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 8^th, 2017 at 10:22am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 8^th, 2017 at 10:10am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 8^th, 2017 at 10:08am:

I wouldn't be allowed to shop at my local Supermarket or walk around the streets in a budgie-smuggler and bare feet ...

Yes you would.

A beachside suburb? ~ I'll give you that, but not in one of the Sydney 'Burbs far from the pounding surf.

'Dress Code' imperatives would soon kick in and find you being told to 'dress appropriately' as there are ladies present ... in the Supermarket ... in the bank queue ... in the restaurant ... in the Shopping Mall ... in the library ...

Whatever.

You're talking about exposing the body, not covering it.

Two different things.

Let people cover up as much as they want.

In this country, it's a very sensible thing to do.

So why dont you go about in a burqa if it's so sensible 'In this country'?

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Reply #22 - Oct 8^th, 2017 at 12:29pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 8^th, 2017 at 9:50am:

Auggie wrote on Oct 7^th, 2017 at 10:26pm:

Ok but where do you draw the line?

What are the comfort and cultural expectations of a society of individuals in Australia?

And why should anyone feel 'confronted by a woman covering her face?

How long's a piece of string? Social values are always in flux in one direction or the other, sometimes becoming conservative and formal, and at other times loosening up to be more relaxed and liberal, but despite this ebb and flow some staples remain unchanged as the bedrock of our Judaeo-Christian heritage.

Regardless of the times, anti-social behaviour is anathema to the good order and cohesion of a community, and so a full-face covering has the public view the wearer as untrustworthy, anti-social, unreliable, deceitful, exclusionary, not a team player, hostile to associating with her fellow citizens, does not want to be identified, etc etc. In other words, someone who is a foreign entity to the degree she does not have our best interests at heart.

How do you know? The person under that head scarf could be an accountant or a lawyer? They could be volunteering for their community.

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Reply #23 - Oct 8^th, 2017 at 1:31pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 8^th, 2017 at 10:36am:

Whatever.

You're talking about exposing the body, not covering it.

Two different things.

Let people cover up as much as they want.

In this country, it's a very sensible thing to do.

We're talking cultural expectations here, whether that's covering up or stripping down inappropriately.

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Reply #24 - Oct 8^th, 2017 at 1:37pm

Frank wrote on Oct 8^th, 2017 at 11:21am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 8^th, 2017 at 10:36am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 8^th, 2017 at 10:22am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 8^th, 2017 at 10:10am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 8^th, 2017 at 10:08am:

I wouldn't be allowed to shop at my local Supermarket or walk around the streets in a budgie-smuggler and bare feet ...

Yes you would.

A beachside suburb? ~ I'll give you that, but not in one of the Sydney 'Burbs far from the pounding surf.

'Dress Code' imperatives would soon kick in and find you being told to 'dress appropriately' as there are ladies present ... in the Supermarket ... in the bank queue ... in the restaurant ... in the Shopping Mall ... in the library ...

Whatever.

You're talking about exposing the body, not covering it.

Two different things.

Let people cover up as much as they want.

In this country, it's a very sensible thing to do.

So why dont you go about in a burqa if it's so sensible 'In this country's?

I wear different clothing to protect myself from the sun.

A burka doesn't appeal to me, however, that doesn't mean I have any right to stop others from wearing one if that's what they want.

Each to their own.

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Reply #26 - Oct 8^th, 2017 at 1:53pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 8^th, 2017 at 1:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 8^th, 2017 at 10:36am:

Whatever.

You're talking about exposing the body, not covering it.

Two different things.

Let people cover up as much as they want.

In this country, it's a very sensible thing to do.

We're talking cultural expectations here, whether that's covering up or stripping down inappropriately.

Yes.

People are expected to cover up their private parts in our culture.

Seems to me that's exactly what they're doing.

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Re: Austria advances the cause of civilising its Musli
Reply #28 - Oct 8^th, 2017 at 5:02pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 8^th, 2017 at 1:37pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 8^th, 2017 at 11:21am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 8^th, 2017 at 10:36am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 8^th, 2017 at 10:22am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 8^th, 2017 at 10:10am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 8^th, 2017 at 10:08am:

I wouldn't be allowed to shop at my local Supermarket or walk around the streets in a budgie-smuggler and bare feet ...

Yes you would.

A beachside suburb? ~ I'll give you that, but not in one of the Sydney 'Burbs far from the pounding surf.

'Dress Code' imperatives would soon kick in and find you being told to 'dress appropriately' as there are ladies present ... in the Supermarket ... in the bank queue ... in the restaurant ... in the Shopping Mall ... in the library ...

Whatever.

You're talking about exposing the body, not covering it.

Two different things.

Let people cover up as much as they want.

In this country, it's a very sensible thing to do.

So why dont you go about in a burqa if it's so sensible 'In this country's?

I wear different clothing to protect myself from the sun.

A burka doesn't appeal to me, however, that doesn't mean I have any right to stop others from wearing one if that's what they want.

Each to their own.

Well said, Greggy. I don't approve of it, but I won't stop any person from wearing it.

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Reply #29 - Oct 8^th, 2017 at 5:20pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 8^th, 2017 at 1:37pm:

I wear different clothing to protect myself from the sun.

A burka doesn't appeal to me, however, that doesn't mean I have any right to stop others from wearing one if that's what they want.

Each to their own.

A Nazi uniform?

A KKK outfit?

Each to their own?

How about Shia in the local park cutting themselves into a bloody mess with blades on chains?

Each to their own?

Not your business?

Cultural relativity?

Don't be a bigot and an Islamophobe?

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