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Reply #15 - Sep 14th, 2017 at 4:31pm
 
mothra wrote on Sep 14th, 2017 at 1:48pm:
#2. Western Cultures Are Far More Humane Than the Bloodthirsty Muslims

Even before the whole terrorism thing, Islam had a reputation in the West for violence. Part of it has to do with how abruptly Islam was all up in everyone's face. For instance, while Hinduism took about 1,000 years to spread through India, and Christianity took about 400 years to go from persecuted cult to the state religion of the Roman Empire, Islam went from one guy's epiphany to the dominant political and religious force in the Middle East and North Africa in about 100 years.

So a lot of people have reached the conclusion that the religion spread like holy wildfire for one reason: the sword. The next logical leap from this viewpoint is that as a people, Muslims must be violent and barbaric conquerors. Even before 9/11, you saw this portrayal in popular culture all the time.

But actually...

Muhammad laid out some pretty progressive rules of warfare, and medieval Muslims out-niced the Christians in battle by a landslide. Especially since Muhammad personally issued "a distinct code of conduct among Islamic warriors" that included:

No killing of women, children or innocents -- these might include hermits, monks or other religious leaders who were deemed noncombatants;

No wanton killing of livestock or other animals;

No burning or destruction of trees and orchards; and

No destruction of wells.

In short, Muhammad wanted his armies to fight like freaking hippies. During the smacking Dark Ages. And they did.

But the biggest territorial gains were made after Muhammad's death, right? Maybe that was when Islam earned its bloodthirsty reputation? Not exactly. His successor codified the existing rules and made them the standard for his army. Which probably explains why the Muslim army conquering Europe "exhibited a degree of toleration which puts many Christian nations to shame," in the words of one expert.

So while Christian crusaders were beheading enemies and tossing their heads like oversized hacky sacks, their Muslim counterparts had a whole honor code that led them to feed the armies of their defeated enemies.


They didn't kill the women and goats because they were vlauable commodities Mothra. Roughly 2/3 of the slaves captured by Muslims were women. Guess why? You'll appreciate this one.

Islam did literally spread by the sword. No other religion has it's spread as closely linked to military conquest as Islam. Capturing the women and goats was part of that end.

Muslims were violent and barbaric conquerers and slave traders right up until the west put and end to it. It was several wars by European powers and America that finally put an end to it by destroying the slave ports and then going in and interfering further to put an end to the slave trade. The "ridiculous things you probably believe" here is that this is a reflection of the intent of Islam or Muslims. It is not. We had to kill a lot of Muslims to stop them industrialising rape as a tool to spread their religion, and the job is not over.
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Reply #16 - Sep 14th, 2017 at 4:45pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 14th, 2017 at 4:31pm:
Muslims were violent and barbaric conquerers and slave traders right up until the west put and end to it. It was several wars by European powers and America that finally put an end to it by destroying the slave ports and then going in and interfering further to put an end to the slave trade. The "ridiculous things you probably believe" here is that this is a reflection of the intent of Islam or Muslims. It is not. We had to kill a lot of Muslims to stop them industrialising rape as a tool to spread their religion, and the job is not over.


Curious, its almost as if you're reducing 1400 years of Islamic civilization to the murderous onslaught of a mindless collective of murderous zombies.

Tell me FD, is reducing an entire population to what amounts to a mindless collective ok so long as a) its a religious, not a racial group and b) you are careful to avoid using the actual phrase "mindless collective"?
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Reply #17 - Sep 14th, 2017 at 4:53pm
 
Raping lots of women is a good start in characterising the 1400 year history of Islam. Between that and killing lots of people you can explain how Islam spread from Pakistan to Spain in a century and proceeded to destroy what had been the most advanced civilisation on earth for 10000 years. No wonder it is top of the list for the latest Islamic State. It is a surprise that Mothra is so keen to whitewash this industrialised rape.

Gandalf, you asked me before whether I think Muslims today are a mindless collective. I gave you a straight answer. I asked you the exact same question. You played the old Muslim "me no speaka da English" card. Then you got all offended that your evasiveness reflects badly on Muslims.

Do you think Muslims today are a mindless collective?
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Reply #18 - Sep 14th, 2017 at 5:05pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 14th, 2017 at 4:53pm:
Gandalf, you asked me before whether I think Muslims today are a mindless collective. I gave you a straight answer.


Yes you did. Clearly that answer was a lie though. Even a 'typical evasive muslim' with an activated hive mind who desires nothing else but to get back to industrialising rape to spread my religion can see that.

freediver wrote on Sep 14th, 2017 at 4:53pm:
Gandalf, you asked me before whether I think Muslims today are a mindless collective. I gave you a straight answer.


As did I FD. I even gave it twice, if I recall. Please go back and check.
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Reply #19 - Sep 14th, 2017 at 5:27pm
 
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Yes you did. Clearly that answer was a lie though.


So you criticise me for getting your opinion wrong when you are afraid to say what yur opinion is, but you will also accuse me of lying about my own opinion?

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As did I FD. I even gave it twice, if I recall.


I did. Couldn't find it. I found plenty of excuses from you as to why you cannot answer it. You even claimed the question made no sense. Why would you make ecuses for not being able to answer it if you had already answered?
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Reply #20 - Sep 14th, 2017 at 5:30pm
 
Mothra, would it be fair to characterise your opening posts as spineless apologetics for 1400 years of genocide and institutionalised rape?
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Reply #21 - Sep 14th, 2017 at 5:44pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 14th, 2017 at 5:30pm:
Mothra, would it be fair to characterise your opening posts as spineless apologetics for 1400 years of genocide and institutionalised rape?


Yes Mothra, you repent and go back and simplify the entire 1400 years of Islamic civilization to a mindless collective hive mind doing nothing but industrialising rape to spread their evil empire.
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Reply #22 - Sep 14th, 2017 at 5:46pm
 
Gandalf, do you consider modern Muslims to be a mindless collective? Don't lie now.
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Reply #23 - Sep 14th, 2017 at 5:51pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 14th, 2017 at 5:46pm:
Gandalf, do you consider modern Muslims to be a mindless collective? Don't lie now.


What, in this context, is a 'mindless collective?'

Do you mean like a mob of Zombies walking around together, all mouthing 'blood?'

That sort of 'mindless collective?'
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Reply #24 - Sep 14th, 2017 at 5:52pm
 
freediver wrote on May 23rd, 2016 at 9:30pm:
Every reference to "tribe" made by Gandalf below just happens to be a tribe of Jews.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 5th, 2013 at 10:27am:
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2013 at 8:26am:
If you think these 800 people acted as some kind of mindless collective

Thats exactly what they were.


polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 8th, 2013 at 7:38pm:
Also the treachery of the jews had nothing to do with them refusing to help the muslims.
Simple facts FD.


polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 5th, 2013 at 3:11pm:
As I said, there was no real concept of individuality - your personality was literally defined by which tribe you belonged to. And the decisions that govern the tribe are very much decisions that are represented by all the individuals who make up the tribe. Thus there really is no question of collective guilt - no matter how abhorrent we find the term today.


polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 3:48pm:
Muhammad had been burnt before by granting another traitorous tribe free passage to leave the city - upon which they immediately started plotting against Medina and instigating hostilities.


polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 4:08pm:
The leaders conspired - yes.

The rest of them had the opportunity to disown their treachery. They declined. So tough titties- off with their heads.


polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 4:08pm:
What do you think the Banu Qurayza would have done to the muslims if their planned back-stabbing assault on Medina had succeeded?


polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 6th, 2013 at 2:05pm:
Like I keep saying, it is reasonable to accuse them of collective guilt, since at any time any individual had the opportunity to disassociate themselves from the decisions made on behalf of the tribe.


Gandalf is one of the good Muslims.

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Reply #25 - Sep 14th, 2017 at 5:58pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 14th, 2017 at 5:46pm:
Gandalf, do you consider modern Muslims to be a mindless collective? Don't lie now.


Of course FD - typical evasive muslims all thinking alike, who want nothing else but to restart the rape industry like what we did for 1400 years. If not for the gallant forces of light (aka the west), we'd be doing it right now.
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Reply #26 - Sep 14th, 2017 at 6:11pm
 
Muslims would Gandalf. The west had to kill a lot of Muslims to get them to stop it. It's a good thing they did, don't you agree?

Do you consider modern Muslims to be a mindless collective? Don't lie now. Certainly don't evade.
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Reply #27 - Sep 14th, 2017 at 6:18pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 14th, 2017 at 6:11pm:
Do you consider modern Muslims to be a mindless collective?


You mean would I knee-jerkingly attribute any and every negative thing I see by an individual who happens to be muslim as "typical muslim" collective behaviour? Or would I reduce the entire 1400 year history of Islamic civilization as nothing but rabid murderous zombies fixated on industrialising rape?

No FD, I don't. That would be incredibly bigoted of me.

You?
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Reply #28 - Sep 14th, 2017 at 6:24pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 14th, 2017 at 6:18pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 14th, 2017 at 6:11pm:
Do you consider modern Muslims to be a mindless collective?


You mean would I knee-jerkingly attribute any and every negative thing I see by an individual who happens to be muslim as "typical muslim" collective behaviour? Or would I reduce the entire 1400 year history of Islamic civilization as nothing but rabid murderous zombies fixated on industrialising rape?

No FD, I don't. That would be incredibly bigoted of me.

You?


What about in the same sense as the tribe of Jews that Muhammad slaughtered?

Or in the sense that you described early Muslims, and Arabs from that time, as a mindless collective?
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Reply #29 - Sep 14th, 2017 at 6:25pm
 
Aussie wrote on Sep 14th, 2017 at 5:51pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 14th, 2017 at 5:46pm:
Gandalf, do you consider modern Muslims to be a mindless collective? Don't lie now.


What, in this context, is a 'mindless collective?'


Do you mean like a mob of Zombies walking around together, all mouthing 'blood?'

That sort of 'mindless collective?'







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Aussie,

Please define the phrase     ......'mindless collective'       for us.





Google;
Shahada, confession of faith, of a muslim



"There is no god except for Allah alone; and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah."



By definition,       every moslem is a follower of ISLAM.

And is a supporter what ISLAMIC law endorses, promotes, and encourages.

.....the murder or enslavement of        'the enemies of Allah'.




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Mainstream ISLAMIC doctrine declares that unbelief [i.e. atheism], even by 'John Citizen' [i.e. anyone!], is a capital crime.
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One of the principle tenets of ISLAM, states that,     .....'unbelief is worse than killing'.


i.e.
Unbelief among mankind,        is worse than killing mankind [i.e. unbelievers].

Google;
islam, unbelief is worse than killing





Google;
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."




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