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Reply #30 - Sep 13^th, 2017 at 10:12pm

Auggie wrote on Sep 13^th, 2017 at 8:56pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 13^th, 2017 at 8:46pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 13^th, 2017 at 7:59pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 13^th, 2017 at 12:28pm:

So whether some Muslims do something is irrelevant to whether it is correct to use the plural to describe what those Muslims do?

Did you use the plural in response to what you've heard a collective of muslims say, or simply by what you heard me say?

If I quoted a single jew being what I perceived as evasive and made a sweeping statement with words to the effect of "here you can see that jews (plural) are sneaky and evasive" - what would be your reaction? All kosher?

Would you argue that whether Jews are sneaky and evasive is irrelevant to whether Jews are sneaky and evasive?

You are not the only Muslim who has difficulty answering questions Gandalf. Abu and Falah behaved similarly. But you get upset when I quote them. In any case, you are a good example to use.

Does getting upset make one less able to debate?

Have you never been offended?

Yes.
No.

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Reply #31 - Sep 13^th, 2017 at 10:14pm

Auggie wrote on Sep 13^th, 2017 at 9:06pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 13^th, 2017 at 9:03pm:

I don't recall being offended, but I'm sure I have been. And yes, getting emotional does tend to make people worse at debating, though some people are skilled at using emotional manipulation as an alternative to rational argument.

Is there a point to this?

My point is: why are belaboring on about this whole Islam thing with Gandalf. You seem hell-bent on trying to get Gandalf to come to your point of view.

Why are you here labouring this point?
Don't you want others to see your point, at least? To see that you HAVE a point?

You are so thick yet supremely pleased with yourself. You have absolutely nothing to be smug about. You lack elementary perspective on your own stupidity.
Ceasar Augustus?? Gussy Finknottle, newt fancier is more like it.

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Reply #32 - Sep 13^th, 2017 at 10:19pm

Frank wrote on Sep 13^th, 2017 at 10:14pm:

Auggie wrote on Sep 13^th, 2017 at 9:06pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 13^th, 2017 at 9:03pm:

I don't recall being offended, but I'm sure I have been. And yes, getting emotional does tend to make people worse at debating, though some people are skilled at using emotional manipulation as an alternative to rational argument.

Is there a point to this?

My point is: why are belaboring on about this whole Islam thing with Gandalf. You seem hell-bent on trying to get Gandalf to come to your point of view.

Why are you here labouring this point?

Why are you?

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Reply #33 - Sep 13^th, 2017 at 10:20pm

Frank wrote on Sep 13^th, 2017 at 10:14pm:

Auggie wrote on Sep 13^th, 2017 at 9:06pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 13^th, 2017 at 9:03pm:

I don't recall being offended, but I'm sure I have been. And yes, getting emotional does tend to make people worse at debating, though some people are skilled at using emotional manipulation as an alternative to rational argument.

Is there a point to this?

My point is: why are belaboring on about this whole Islam thing with Gandalf. You seem hell-bent on trying to get Gandalf to come to your point of view.

Why are you here labouring this point?
Don't you want others to see your point, at least? To see that you HAVE a point?

You are so thick yet supremely pleased with yourself. You have absolutely nothing to be smug about. You lack elementary perspective on your own stupidity.

When you start making ad hominen arguments, it becomes clear that you have no argument.

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Reply #34 - Sep 13^th, 2017 at 10:28pm

Auggie wrote on Sep 13^th, 2017 at 10:20pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 13^th, 2017 at 10:14pm:

Auggie wrote on Sep 13^th, 2017 at 9:06pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 13^th, 2017 at 9:03pm:

I don't recall being offended, but I'm sure I have been. And yes, getting emotional does tend to make people worse at debating, though some people are skilled at using emotional manipulation as an alternative to rational argument.

Is there a point to this?

My point is: why are belaboring on about this whole Islam thing with Gandalf. You seem hell-bent on trying to get Gandalf to come to your point of view.

Why are you here labouring this point?
Don't you want others to see your point, at least? To see that you HAVE a point?

You are so thick yet supremely pleased with yourself. You have absolutely nothing to be smug about. You lack elementary perspective on your own stupidity.

When you start making ad hominen arguments, it becomes clear that you have no argument.

You ask a question that you haven't asked yourself - that's the sure sign of a conceited stupid ass. Not ad hominem.
Some things, like that sort of self-conceited stupidity, ARE, well, stupid.

So why are YOU labouring a point? Ask yourself before asking others. Mebbe you will have the answer even before asking.

Is your motivation in trying to make your views recognised different?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49836 At my desk.	Re: me no speaka da english Reply #35 - Sep 14^th, 2017 at 11:24am Perhaps he was trying to stand up for Gandalf at the same time as distancing himself from him.
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Reply #36 - Sep 14^th, 2017 at 5:06pm

Muslims are fond of claiming victimhood, blaming hostility to Islam on racism rather than fronting up to Islam's problems. Some will even insist that because races don't exist, we must redefine racism to include this hostility to Islam. The tapdancing begins once you ask for an alternative definition of racism.

Here is an example. Two pages into the thread, and the Muslim is still blaming other people for misunderstanding him, while refusing to explain what he really meant.

freediver wrote on Sep 14^th, 2017 at 4:45pm:

What is your redefinition of racism?

A Muslim claiming to have answered the question he later said could not be answered because it made no sense:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 14^th, 2017 at 5:05pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 14^th, 2017 at 4:53pm:

Gandalf, you asked me before whether I think Muslims today are a mindless collective. I gave you a straight answer.

As did I FD. I even gave it twice, if I recall. Please go back and check.

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Reply #37 - Sep 14^th, 2017 at 6:04pm

freediver wrote on Sep 14^th, 2017 at 5:06pm:

rather than fronting up to Islam's problems.

We all know that there are issues with interpreting the Quran and what people believe. No one is denying that. Saying that the entire religion is an issue isn't going to help anyone.

If you've got people like Gandalf who are interpreting the Quran in an acceptable manner, then that is a good thing, not a bad thing.

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Reply #38 - Sep 14^th, 2017 at 6:06pm

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If you've got people like Gandalf who are interpreting the Quran in an acceptable manner, then that is a good thing, not a bad thing.

He tries to pass off the victims of Muhammad's genocide as a mindless collective of treacherous warrior Jews.

He supports laws that make it illegal for people to make videos mocking Muslim terrorists.

Do you consider that acceptable?

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Reply #40 - Sep 14^th, 2017 at 10:06pm

freediver wrote on Sep 14^th, 2017 at 6:06pm:

He tries to pass off the victims of Muhammad's genocide as a mindless collective of treacherous warrior Jews.

Slaughter of that kind is unacceptable in any case or circumstance.

freediver wrote on Sep 14^th, 2017 at 6:06pm:

He supports laws that make it illegal for people to make videos mocking Muslim terrorists.

Do you consider that acceptable?

No, I do not agree with this. Freedom of speech.

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Reply #41 - Sep 15^th, 2017 at 8:19am

If it were any other genocide, the Muslim would condemn it. It is something to do with his interpretation of Islam that makes him support it. He won't say where he got that particular argument from, but every single Muslim we have seen here has supported it unconditionally. Muslims in general will defend genocide.

Almost got a straight answer on this one:

freediver wrote on Sep 14^th, 2017 at 9:47pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 14^th, 2017 at 8:06pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 14^th, 2017 at 6:24pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 14^th, 2017 at 6:18pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 14^th, 2017 at 6:11pm:

Do you consider modern Muslims to be a mindless collective?

You mean would I knee-jerkingly attribute any and every negative thing I see by an individual who happens to be muslim as "typical muslim" collective behaviour? Or would I reduce the entire 1400 year history of Islamic civilization as nothing but rabid murderous zombies fixated on industrialising rape?

No FD, I don't. That would be incredibly bigoted of me.

You?

What about in the same sense as the tribe of Jews that Muhammad slaughtered?

Or in the sense that you described early Muslims, and Arabs from that time, as a mindless collective?

Would I describe over 1.5 billion muslims living in all corners of the globe in just about every culture - in the same way as I would describe a few thousand monocultural tribal hicks living in one desert location 1400 years ago?

Thats a great question FD, would I?

Actually on second thoughts, no its a mind-numbingly stupid question.

You asked it first Gandalf.

It is mind-numbingly stupid to argue that the Jews that Muhammad slaughtered were a mindless collective. Yet you do it. Who am I to say where the stupid ends with Muslims? You know how upset you get when I try to guess your particular flavour of stupid. You will argue for pages about how I misplaced you on the spectrum, but won't choose a place for yourself.

Do you consider modern Muslims to be a mindless collective?

In order to avoid a perceived accusation of racism that was limited to Jews, the Muslim expanded the mindless collective claim from the tribe of Jews to Arabs, and happily admitted this was racist. He also claimed the early Muslims were also a mindless collective. I have not had any luck figuring out when this mindless collective behaviour finished (if indeed it did, the Muslim is also occasionally critical of modern Arabs). Or why it finished.

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Reply #42 - Sep 15^th, 2017 at 4:30pm

freediver wrote on Sep 15^th, 2017 at 8:19am:

In order to avoid a perceived accusation of racism that was limited to Jews, the Muslim expanded the mindless collective claim from the tribe of Jews to Arabs

Its almost as if you're implying that I introduced ("expanded") the claim from jews to arabs at some later point after attributing it to jews - specifically in order to "avoid a perceived accusation of racism" - instead of what really happened - where I said the collective behaviour was an arab thing from the very beginning - nay in the very same post in which I brought it up.

Surely you wouldn't be so dishonest as to imply such a thing FD? Oh dear, tsk tsk, yawn, rolls eyes

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Reply #44 - Sep 15^th, 2017 at 4:48pm

freediver wrote on Sep 15^th, 2017 at 4:41pm:

Why do you keep blaming me for your mindless collective argument?

I don't FD.

I do blame you however for dishonestly implying I said it specifically about jews. I do blame you for inventing the term "Mindless collective of treacherous jews" and shoving it down my mouth. I do blame you for your frankly bizarre "its about jews/its not about jews" hopping routine. And finally I blame you for the pathetic (and outright dishonest) excuse that this phrase is mine based on the logic that I mentioned those individual words separately at various different points in time.

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