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Reply #30 - Aug 29th, 2017 at 10:15am
 
Gordon wrote on Aug 28th, 2017 at 8:03pm:
Karnal wrote on Aug 28th, 2017 at 7:58pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 28th, 2017 at 6:11pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Aug 28th, 2017 at 5:26pm:
Myanmar's problems with Rohingya is similar to Thailand's problems with Muslim insurgency and Indonesia's Aceh problem.

Rohingya, Thai Muslims, and Acehnese want an independent state but it will never be granted because none of these countries want a hostile state on their borders. The hostilities are much easier to contain internally than externally because an external state can more easily receive assistance from other radical groups in other countries.

So the Rohingya, Thai Muslim insurgency, and Acehnese resistance can only be solved if these insurgencies cease and they abide by the national law they are governed under. I believe the Acehnese insurgency is greatly reduced since the December 2004 Tsunami.


No doubt the Burmese come down hard on them, but that's what happens to separatists insurgents in a developing country.

The best solution is for them to go Bangladesh.


Who gives them the citizenship in a totally different country, Gordon? They're insurgents because the Burmese government has made them stateless.

Do you know? I can see no harm in them settling in Bondi. You people have a rich legacy of immigration.


No, Karnal. This has been going on a long time and

it's all about them wanting an Islamic state
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Exactly so Gordon,

Moslems do not migrate to new lands because they want to enjoy freedom** or to enjoy peace.

Moslems  migrate to new lands because they want to spread ISLAM, and impose ISLAM, onto the people of all of the world.

** the word ISLAM, means          submission        [or surrender].   look it up.





If moslems who were migrating to new lands, did so because they really wanted to enjoy freedom and peace,           then many moslems, on arrival, within their new secular land, would renounce and denounce ISLAM.

FACT
....but moslems who emigrate, and come to live in Western secular nations almost never abandon ISLAM.





INDEED

We hear many moslems in Australia, daily, still declare their devotion,        .....to ISLAM.

"I am a moslem. Allah is my god, and Mohammed is his messenger."



AND, time and time again, we have heard moslems who are in living Australia,
.....declare that they want to make Australia into a state governed by ISLAMIC law!






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Herman Johnson • May 31, 2017 at 19:37

When are you infidels going to realize that the Muslims are not here only seeking refuge, they are also on a Hijrah: to emigrate in the cause of Allah.

That is to move to a new land in order to bring Islam there is considered in Islam to be a highly meritorious act.


In Reader Comments.....
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/10356/immigrants-tyranny


Google;
Hijrah, emigrate in the cause of Allah, jihad

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Reply #31 - Aug 29th, 2017 at 10:44am
 
Yadda wrote on Aug 29th, 2017 at 10:15am:

Moslems do not migrate to new lands because they want to enjoy freedom** or to enjoy peace.

Moslems  migrate to new lands because they want to spread ISLAM, and impose ISLAM, upon the people of all of the world.

** the word ISLAM, means          submission        [or surrender].   look it up.



.....
AND, time and time again, we have heard moslems who are in living Australia,
.....declare that they want to make Australia into a state governed by ISLAMIC law!









Watch good 'Aussie' moslems,      practicing ISLAM      behind closed doors, in Australia.....

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Muslims brainwash children in Australia
  -------- >   goto 43 sec
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krk5piUzp1E







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Every moslem living in Australia,        is a moslem.

Every moslem living in Australia,        is a follower of ISLAM.



What do moslems, in living in Australia, want and desire ?

Notwithstanding the denials from moslems,
many moslems living in Australia want the right [IN LAW] to murder those who offend the strictures of their faith,

which is completely lawful, within ISLAMIC law [and completely lawful within moslem majority jurisdictions].


Moslems, want to impose ISLAMIC law here, in Australia.



Watch the YT.

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The Struggle for Islam in the West | Trailer: Khilafah Conference 2010; Hizb ut-Tahrir Australia
           5 min
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5RtutmDLVU




[/quote]



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Mild mannered - Mohammed Morsi -
Ex-President of Egypt


"The Koran is our constitution"

"The Prophet Muhammad is our leader"

"Jihad is our path"

"AND DEATH FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH IS OUR MOST LOFTY ASPIRATION!"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8NtiUMOFFg





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Reply #32 - Aug 29th, 2017 at 10:55am
 


Every Rogingya moslem,        is a moslem.

Every Rogingya moslem,        is a follower of ISLAM.



And whenever a Rogingya moslem rapes or murders a Buddhist in Myanmar, in his mind, the moslem has not committed any crime.

That is what mainstream ISLAMIC law teaches to,       every moslem.






Mainstream ISLAMIC law texts explicitly states that the harbi has no right to live.



ISLAMIC LAW TEXT....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06


ISLAMIC LAW TEXT....
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."


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Reply #33 - Aug 29th, 2017 at 1:17pm
 
Karnal??

Karnal wrote on Aug 28th, 2017 at 11:36pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 28th, 2017 at 10:27pm:
Karnal wrote on Aug 28th, 2017 at 10:24pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 28th, 2017 at 9:54pm:
Karnal wrote on Aug 28th, 2017 at 9:36pm:
Did you go to the Rakine state, Gordon? Did you get to see the Rohinga death camps?

I'd like to go myself. In fact, I'd like to see plenty of places they don't let tourists go because all those happy tribes are supposedly trying to kill each other.

And I say supposedly because the military doesn't want you to see what they're doing.

Love means never having to say you're sorry, no?


It was quiet when myanmar was totally closed to the world and the military could have done anything they wanted.

Now that myanmar is open and under scrutiny it's flared up,  coincidently at the same time as Muslims world wide have become militant.  Funny eh?


Are you nuts? They jailed Kun Shah only a decade or so ago. He ran one of the world's biggest NGO armies and, in the 1990s, the majority of the world's heroin production. 90% at one point.

You spent too much time in Bagan, Gordon. You could have spent that time reviewing modern history.

But then, how many Burmese were you allowed to openly talk with?

Quote the rest of your Wikipedia article if you don't mind. We'll have a little look-see.


If they weren't trying on their islamist sepretist crap, the bad stuff would not be happening.

Conversation over Smiley


Kun Shah didn't have Muslim rebels in the Shan state, Gordon. It's still a no-go area. You're not allowed to go there.

Conversation over? That was quick. Start a good one next time, okay?

And yes, I wouldl like to visit Yangon.


Tell you what, I'll elaborate on my observations in Myanmar which has firmed my opinions about whats happening to the Rogingya, but first let me ask you a question.

Do you think militant Islamism and a separatist movement is in any way to blame for the situation?
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Reply #34 - Aug 29th, 2017 at 2:38pm
 
Gordon wrote on Aug 29th, 2017 at 1:17pm:
Tell you what, I'll elaborate on my observations in Myanmar which has firmed my opinions about whats happening to the Rogingya, but first let me ask you a question.

Do you think militant Islamism and a separatist movement is in any way to blame for the situation?


I most certainly do, Gordon, but despite your sightseeing at Bagan, you missed the fact that nearly every state and ethnicity in Burma has a separatist movement. This includes:

Arakan
Ethnic group: Rakhine Proposed state: Arakan Federation Flag of Rakhine.svg
Advocacy group: Arakan Independence Alliance

Zo Asia
Ethnic group: Chin
Proposed state: Republic of Zo Asia Flag of Chin State.svg Militant organisation: Chin National Front (member of the Unrepresented Nations and Peoples Organization)

Kachin
Ethnic group: Kachin Proposed state: Kachinland Flag of Kachin State.svg
Political party: Kachin National Organization

Kawthoolei
Ethnic group: Karen Proposed state: Republic of Kawthoolei Karen National Union Flag.png
Militant organisation: Karen National Liberation Army
Advocacy group: Karen National Union

Karenni
Ethnic group: Karenni Proposed state: United Karenni Independent States Flag of Kayah State.svg
Militant organisation: Karenni Army
Advocacy group: Karenni National Progressive Party (member of the Unrepresented Nations and Peoples Organization)
Government-in-exile: Karenni Provisional Government

Mon State
Ethnic group: Mon Proposed state: Mon State Flag of Mon State.svg
Political party: New Mon State Party

Northern Arakan
[citation needed][dubious – discuss]
Ethnic group: Rohingya Proposed state: Northern Arakan State of Arakan Federation
Advocacy group: Arakan Rohingya National Organization

Shan States
Ethnic group: Shan (member of the Unrepresented Nations and Peoples Organization) Proposed state: Federated Shan States Flag of the Shan State.svg
Political party: Shan Democratic Union
Militant organisation: Shan State Army
Advocacy group: Restoration Council of Shan State
Government in exile: Interim Government of Federated Shan States[2]

Wa State
Ethnic group: Wa Proposed state: Wa State Wa nationality flag.png
Political party: United Wa State Party
Militant organisation: United Wa State Army

Zale'n-gam
Ethnic group: Kuki Proposed state: Zale'n-gam Flag of Bnei Menashe.svg
Militant organisation: Kuki National Army
Advocacy group: Kuki National Organisation

Zogam
Ethnic group: Zomi Proposed state: Republic of Zogam or Federated State of Zomi Flag of Zomi Re-unification Organisation.svg
Political parties: Zomi National Congress, Zomi Reunification Organization
Militant organisations: Zomi National Front/Army, Zomi Revolutionary Army,
Advocacy group: Global Zomi Alliance
Government in exile: Republic of Zogam

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_separatist_movements_in_Asia

As you can see, it would be strange if the Rohinga didn't have an independence movement.

Personally, I find it hard to blame Islam for Christian Karen rebels or the Buddhist Shan people or animist Mons, but that's just me.

Don't bother telling me you saw a few bearded numpties looking at you strangely in Yangon. We all know Burma has Muslims and not many foreigners.

Unlike your solution of telling the Rohinga to sneak into Bangladesh and hide out as illegal immigrants, I support them going back to where they came from.

Yes, I think they should be given back their houses, farms, jobs and citizenship.

You?
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Reply #35 - Aug 30th, 2017 at 10:12pm
 
If you don't mind, Gordon, I'd love to know how you found the food in Burma. We have a new Burmese restaurant in Granville, and I must say, the menu looks pretty bland.

Despite this, it gets a few tables of solely Burmese people turning up, mostly on weekends. Do you think the food's worth writing home about?
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Reply #36 - Aug 30th, 2017 at 10:18pm
 
Karnal wrote on Aug 30th, 2017 at 10:12pm:
If you don't mind, Gordon, I'd love to know how you found the food in Burma. We have a new Burmese restaurant in Granville, and I must say, the menu looks pretty bland.

Despite this, it gets a few tables of solely Burmese people turning up, mostly on weekends. Do you think the food's worth writing home about?


I went to a Muslim biryani place in Yangon.
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Reply #37 - Aug 30th, 2017 at 10:21pm
 
Karnal wrote on Aug 29th, 2017 at 2:38pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 29th, 2017 at 1:17pm:
Tell you what, I'll elaborate on my observations in Myanmar which has firmed my opinions about whats happening to the Rogingya, but first let me ask you a question.

Do you think militant Islamism and a separatist movement is in any way to blame for the situation?


I most certainly do, Gordon, but despite your sightseeing at Bagan, you missed the fact that nearly every state and ethnicity in Burma has a separatist movement. This includes:

Arakan
Ethnic group: Rakhine Proposed state: Arakan Federation Flag of Rakhine.svg
Advocacy group: Arakan Independence Alliance

Zo Asia
Ethnic group: Chin
Proposed state: Republic of Zo Asia Flag of Chin State.svg Militant organisation: Chin National Front (member of the Unrepresented Nations and Peoples Organization)

Kachin
Ethnic group: Kachin Proposed state: Kachinland Flag of Kachin State.svg
Political party: Kachin National Organization

Kawthoolei
Ethnic group: Karen Proposed state: Republic of Kawthoolei Karen National Union Flag.png
Militant organisation: Karen National Liberation Army
Advocacy group: Karen National Union

Karenni
Ethnic group: Karenni Proposed state: United Karenni Independent States Flag of Kayah State.svg
Militant organisation: Karenni Army
Advocacy group: Karenni National Progressive Party (member of the Unrepresented Nations and Peoples Organization)
Government-in-exile: Karenni Provisional Government

Mon State
Ethnic group: Mon Proposed state: Mon State Flag of Mon State.svg
Political party: New Mon State Party

Northern Arakan
[citation needed][dubious – discuss]
Ethnic group: Rohingya Proposed state: Northern Arakan State of Arakan Federation
Advocacy group: Arakan Rohingya National Organization

Shan States
Ethnic group: Shan (member of the Unrepresented Nations and Peoples Organization) Proposed state: Federated Shan States Flag of the Shan State.svg
Political party: Shan Democratic Union
Militant organisation: Shan State Army
Advocacy group: Restoration Council of Shan State
Government in exile: Interim Government of Federated Shan States[2]

Wa State
Ethnic group: Wa Proposed state: Wa State Wa nationality flag.png
Political party: United Wa State Party
Militant organisation: United Wa State Army

Zale'n-gam
Ethnic group: Kuki Proposed state: Zale'n-gam Flag of Bnei Menashe.svg
Militant organisation: Kuki National Army
Advocacy group: Kuki National Organisation

Zogam
Ethnic group: Zomi Proposed state: Republic of Zogam or Federated State of Zomi Flag of Zomi Re-unification Organisation.svg
Political parties: Zomi National Congress, Zomi Reunification Organization
Militant organisations: Zomi National Front/Army, Zomi Revolutionary Army,
Advocacy group: Global Zomi Alliance
Government in exile: Republic of Zogam

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_separatist_movements_in_Asia

As you can see, it would be strange if the Rohinga didn't have an independence movement.

Personally, I find it hard to blame Islam for Christian Karen rebels or the Buddhist Shan people or animist Mons, but that's just me.

Don't bother telling me you saw a few bearded numpties looking at you strangely in Yangon. We all know Burma has Muslims and not many foreigners.

Unlike your solution of telling the Rohinga to sneak into Bangladesh and hide out as illegal immigrants, I support them going back to where they came from.

Yes, I think they should be given back their houses, farms, jobs and citizenship.

You?


You've been hitting the googles.

Ponder this.
The amount of effort put into an ethnic groups separatist aspirations seems to correlate to the reaction of the Govt.
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Reply #38 - Aug 30th, 2017 at 11:36pm
 
Googles?

Sorry? You were going to tell us about Burma.
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Reply #39 - Aug 31st, 2017 at 1:00am
 
Gordy, you never can tell when you've been utterly outclassed can you.

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Reply #40 - Aug 31st, 2017 at 4:58pm
 
mothra wrote on Aug 31st, 2017 at 1:00am:
Gordy, you never can tell when you've been utterly outclassed can you.



Oh dear, you're impressed that Karnal's been to a Burmese restaurant in Granville. I guess that would be pretty exotic to people from your neck of the wood. Maybe you could get a Deliveroo???     Grin Grin Grin

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Karnal wrote on Aug 30th, 2017 at 11:36pm:
Googles?

Sorry? You were going to tell us about Burma.


Something that sets Myanmar apart from other SE Asian countries is how multicultural it is, particularly Yangon where there are people of all shades and tints and religions, all doing very well. There are of course loads of Indians, both Hindu and Muslim. (I actually had chicken biryani at an Indian muslim joint.)

Myanmar being at a geographical crossroads, there is no typical Burmese look and they vary from looking like fair skinned Thais or Chinese, Tibetan all the way to the darkest Indians.

Yangon was the most multicultural of all the places I visited followed by Mandalay. I've also traveled a good distance along the Thai/Burmese border and crossed into Myanmar all the way up north and explored a few areas of the Lao/Burma border. The people on the east side look like dark Thais, and of course lots of Karen.

In the Yangon I noticed that many large business are owned by a large cross section of the population. I stayed in hotels and dealt with tour companies owned by Burmese, Muslim Malays, Chinese and spent a good few hours in a very busy Arab owned jewelry shop.

Myanmar is not Nth Korea and you can wander around and speak to whomever you like. Now I wasn't on a Rohingya fact finding mission, but the topic comes up when you're at a footpath beer and BBQ joint talking to the locals, keen to practice English. (My favorite area in Yangon was around the ferry terminal in the evening as it's great for people watching).

My first conclusion is that whatever is happening to the Rohingya is not due simple racism due to their appearance as they look more or less like many Burmese.

So that leaves Islam? There are plenty of Muslims in Yangon doing just dandy.
Muslim hotel owners, jewellery shops and loads of street vendors.

So what's left...probably what we agreed to earlier, separatist ambitions with a dose of Islamism, and that is exactly what I was told by locals.

They're not being persecuted for who or what they are, but for how they're acting.

I've witnessed FIRST HAND what happens in a developing country (Vietnam) when an ethnic minority plays the separatist card. Now Vietnam being Vietnam, the reaction was swift and very harsh but still measured and probably about 10% of how a brutal authoritarian military junta rolls.
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Reply #42 - Sep 1st, 2017 at 12:07pm
 
Gordon wrote on Aug 31st, 2017 at 4:58pm:
Karnal wrote on Aug 30th, 2017 at 11:36pm:
Googles?

Sorry? You were going to tell us about Burma.


Something that sets Myanmar apart from other SE Asian countries is how multicultural it is, particularly Yangon where there are people of all shades and tints and religions, all doing very well. There are of course loads of Indians, both Hindu and Muslim. (I actually had chicken biryani at an Indian muslim joint.)

Myanmar being at a geographical crossroads, there is no typical Burmese look and they vary from looking like fair skinned Thais or Chinese, Tibetan all the way to the darkest Indians.

Yangon was the most multicultural of all the places I visited followed by Mandalay. I've also traveled a good distance along the Thai/Burmese border and crossed into Myanmar all the way up north and explored a few areas of the Lao/Burma border. The people on the east side look like dark Thais, and of course lots of Karen.

In the Yangon I noticed that many large business are owned by a large cross section of the population. I stayed in hotels and dealt with tour companies owned by Burmese, Muslim Malays, Chinese and spent a good few hours in a very busy Arab owned jewelry shop.

Myanmar is not Nth Korea and you can wander around and speak to whomever you like. Now I wasn't on a Rohingya fact finding mission, but the topic comes up when you're at a footpath beer and BBQ joint talking to the locals, keen to practice English. (My favorite area in Yangon was around the ferry terminal in the evening as it's great for people watching).

My first conclusion is that whatever is happening to the Rohingya is not due simple racism due to their appearance as they look more or less like many Burmese.

So that leaves Islam? There are plenty of Muslims in Yangon doing just dandy.
Muslim hotel owners, jewellery shops and loads of street vendors.

So what's left...probably what we agreed to earlier, separatist ambitions with a dose of Islamism, and that is exactly what I was told by locals.

They're not being persecuted for who or what they are, but for how they're acting.

I've witnessed FIRST HAND what happens in a developing country (Vietnam) when an ethnic minority plays the separatist card. Now Vietnam being Vietnam, the reaction was swift and very harsh but still measured and probably about 10% of how a brutal authoritarian military junta rolls.


Thanks, Gordon. You've shown the challenges of running a multicultural post-colonial state. If there's inequality, people tend to get cranky and fight for their rights, and rightly so. Citizenship is a fundamental human right. It's illegal under the UN to declare citizens stateless. Burma, of course, is not signatory to any of these treaties. Burma is frowned upon within ASEAN for this very reason.

Right now, thousands of Rohinga are trying to cross the border to Bangladesh. They're being stopped at the border. Many have been killed trying to flee by Burmese troops. Blaming Islam or Islamic separatism for this is just silly. Burma is not Mindanao or Southern Thailand. It's an oppressive military state.

On a lighter note, apart from the biryani, how did you find the food?

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Reply #43 - Sep 1st, 2017 at 1:14pm
 
Karnal wrote on Sep 1st, 2017 at 12:07pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 31st, 2017 at 4:58pm:
Karnal wrote on Aug 30th, 2017 at 11:36pm:
Googles?

Sorry? You were going to tell us about Burma.


Thanks, Gordon. You've shown the challenges of running a multicultural post-colonial state. If there's inequality, people tend to get cranky and fight for their rights, and rightly so. Citizenship is a fundamental human right. It's illegal under the UN to declare citizens stateless. Burma, of course, is not signatory to any of these treaties. Burma is frowned upon within ASEAN for this very reason.

Right now, thousands of Rohinga are trying to cross the border to Bangladesh. They're being stopped at the border. Many have been killed trying to flee by Burmese troops. Blaming Islam or Islamic separatism for this is just silly. Burma is not Mindanao or Southern Thailand. It's an oppressive military state.

On a lighter note, apart from the biryani, how did you find the food?



I'm not saying it's only their fault and I  understand the regime will turn on Buddhist Burmese who push against authority, but like most things the real answer is somewhere in the middle, and without the LONG history of separatist ambitions (since the 40s) and Islamism, things may not be be perfect for them, but they'd be heading in the right direction.

Lets hop over to Vietnam for a sec.

There are 50 something ethnic groups but lets discuss 2 of them, the Montagnards of the central highlands and the Hmong of the north.

The Vietnamese have similar racists attitudes towards both groups due to their lack of infrastructure and primitive farming methods. etc.

I've been to the Govt office of ethnic affairs in Hanoi and saw a map which shows the location of various groups in the north and the names used to describe them are colloquial and rather derogatory. For example the Hmong are called 'Mčo' which is the onomatopoeia for the noise of a cat. They call the Hmong cats suggesting they are nothing more than scavengers. You even just have to say the word 'Hmong' to a child in Hanoi and they'll laugh as it literally translated to arse river. Smiley

The Hmong in the north are actually doing pretty well these days while the Montagnards are living under the boot heel.

The Montagnards are well known to have sided with the French and the Americans and this is obviously a source of animosity, but like most things in the Vietnam war, nothing was simple and a lot of them by choice or at the point of a gun fought for Hanoi.

The real ongoing source of their problems is ongoing friction, often created by outside agitators to rebel against the Govt. This doesn't end well for them.

I happened to be in the Central Highlands during a major uprising that was encouraged by an American Christian evangelist...many dead

So the Hmong, they've also had their issues and many fought for the French, and many were even caught assisting the Chinese during the 1979 Viet - Chinese war.

I was good mates with a Hmong guy whose father was executed for treason.

He had a terrible childhood and was treated like an enemy, but the Hmong as a group have put their heads down and accepted the path of least resistance and are doing really well.

My mate can barely read because he wasn't allowed to go to school, but now has an awesome tourism business based in Hanoi and takes tourists all around the North. Last time I checked his niece has graduated as a doctor. The Hmong are going to school and some get to go to Uni, and their health is being well looked after.

In a country which has a long history of being invaded and divided up, can you understand the harsh reaction against the Montagnards?

As I said the Vietnamese have an equally low racial view of both groups but one is doing well and one isn't, because of how they act.

So perhaps the Rogingya should accept they got handed a big sheet sandwich and take the long term view.

I'm perfectly OK for people to blame the Burmese regime for their excessive reactions, as they're brutes, but where is the leftist blame for Bangladeshi Islamists crossing the border to arm and train and fight?

Now to the food. The street food great and I like the BBQ stands with char grilled mystery meats, but nothing really Burmese-ish. The signature dish is probably a hot and sour fish soup, but they use a lot of fresh water fish which really isn't to my liking.

While Burmese food is lacking a really uniquely identifiable Burmese quality, it's saved by it's fusion nature so you can get something that's a bit like Thai, a bit like Indian. Coffee is OK and the local beer is decent.
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Reply #44 - Sep 1st, 2017 at 2:22pm
 
Villagers slaughtered in Myanmar 'massacre', reports of women and children among more than 100 dead

There are reports scores of Muslim Rohingyas — including women and children — have been killed by Myanmar security forces and Buddhist vigilantes in a surge of ethnic violence.

The ABC has received specific allegations from two separate sources about mass killings in the village of Chut Pyin, near Rathedaung township in western Myanmar.

"So far reports — I think quite credible — mention about 130 people including women and children killed," said Chris Lewa, director of The Arakan Project, which works with Rohingya communities.

"That happened on Sunday when suddenly security forces cordoned [off] the whole area, together with Rakhine villagers ... it seems like this has been a major massacre in Rathedaung," Ms Lewa said.

Simmering communal tensions erupted last Friday when an insurgent group attacked police posts, killing 12 officers.

Security forces said they had killed at least 80 militants, but there are reports of widespread killing and arson across Rakhine State, in Myanmar's west.

A video provided to the ABC by a human rights monitor purportedly shows Chut Pyin village burning and in another clip mounds of freshly dug earth — allegedly the graves of those killed.

"This is where the dead bodies from Chut Pyin village were buried … they buried 10-20 bodies, putting two to three bodies in each pit," an unidentified man on the video said.

The graves were allegedly dug on Sunday night in the village of Ah Htet Nan Yar, south of Chut Pyin, with more bodies burned by security forces.

Access to the area is blocked to foreign media so the ABC cannot independently verify the video or the allegations.

The ABC has requested comment from the Myanmar Government.

Hopes for change dashed by militant attack

In Myanmar, hatred for Rohingyas runs deep and periodically boils over into violence.

Rohingyas are a Muslim minority in a majority Buddhist country.

The 1.1 million Rohingyas in Rakhine State are denied citizenship and live under apartheid-like conditions, despite many families living in Myanmar for generations.

About 120,000 Rohingyas live in camps for internally displaced persons, having fled previous violence, while a further 400,000 live in camps in neighbouring Bangladesh.

In October, some Rohingyas started to fight back, with a Saudi-funded insurgent group called Harakah al-Yaqin (Faith Movement) attacking police posts, killing nine officers.

The subsequent crackdown by security forces was brutal, with killings, gang rapes and arbitrary detention allegedly rife.

Last week, a Myanmar-mandated committee led by former UN chief Kofi Annan released a series of recommendations for improving the situation and for 36 hours there was a glimmer of hope.

But it did not last.

On Friday, the militants attacked again — now calling themselves the Arakan Rohingya Salvation Army (ARSA) — this time hitting more than 25 police posts.

At least one Buddhist village was burned down by Rohingyas in subsequent days and 4,000 Buddhists have been evacuated from trouble spots.

In response, the security forces have sealed off the area, and there are allegations of large numbers of civilian deaths and dozens of Rohingya villages torched.

'Full blown initiative to eliminate Rohingyas'

Ms Lewa said the insurgent attacks play right into the hands of the military.

"It actually gives an opportunity for the authorities together with the Rakhine [vigilantes] to push out all the Rohingya out of northern Rakhine and so I think that's definitely ethnic cleansing," Ms Lewa said.

The United Nations said 27,000 Rohingyas had fled to Bangladesh since Friday, but Ms Lewa said that was just the beginning.

"I think we will see a massive exodus to Bangladesh — tens of thousands of people … perhaps hundreds of thousands of people that will end up in Bangladesh," she said.
In the past, some Rohingyas have tried to make it by boat to Australia to seek asylum.

Photographer and human rights monitor Saiful Huq Omi has followed this issue for more than a decade and said this latest round of violence appears to be unprecedented.

"Sometimes we have seen systematic rapes, torture, extortion and other tools have been used but this time it's a full-blown initiative to completely eliminate the Rohingyas out of their land," he said.

The Myanmar Government said it was conducting a justified military response to a terrorist threat but to many observers, the "clearance operation" has all the hallmarks of ethnic cleansing, if not genocide.

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