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Reply #15 - Aug 28^th, 2017 at 6:25pm

“Thousands of non-Muslims evacuated as violence flares in northwest Myanmar,” Reuters, August 27, 2017

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By Robert Spencer on Aug 27, 2017 12:32 pm

Myanmar: 4,000 non-Muslims evacuated as Muslims step up jihad attacks

The international media tries to make the crisis in Myanmar out to be another instance in which Muslims are being victimized, when in reality, as with Israel and the “Palestinians” and so many other instances, if the Muslims laid down their arms in Myanmar, there would be peace, whereas if the Buddhists laid down their arms, they would be massacred.

The death toll from the violence that erupted on Friday with coordinated attacks by Rohingya insurgents has climbed to 98, including some 80 insurgents and 12 members of the security forces, the government said.

Fighting involving the military and hundreds of Rohingya across northwestern Rakhine continued on Saturday with the fiercest clashes taking place near the major town of Maungdaw, according to residents and the government......

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/08/myanmar-4000-non-muslims-evacuated-as-muslims...

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August 27, 2017 at 11:58 pm

Al-hijra. Immigration-jihad, EXACTLY as in Europe, only it happened a little longer ago. If anyone from Myanmar/ Burma is reading this over my shoulder – I advise them to google round for a book by an ex-Muslim, Sam Solomon, entitled “Al-Hijra: The Islamic Doctrine of Immigration”; buy it, read it, and then … get a basic translation done into Burmese and circulate to the police, military, and *every* Burmese politician. Aung San Suu Kyi knows English; buy her a copy of “Al-Hijra”, which is in English, so she can read it for herself and *know* that this IS what the mohamedans in Burma – backed up and encouraged by Mohamedans in the entire OIC, and the Islamintern at the UN, including all the Mohammedans who have gotten themselves into key positions in organisations such as the UNHCR, as well as those Mohammedans in positions of influence in bodies such as Amnesty International – are doing.

The Myanmar authorities should do nothing whatever to encourage these Mohammedans to remain, and should put pressure on Muslim Bangladesh to accept them. Some – an excellent development! – have already left, as the article says – “…Bracing for more violence, thousands of Rohingya – mostly women and children – were trying to forge [sic: FORD] the Naf river separating Myanmar and Bangladesh and the land border….
Around 2,000 people have been able to cross into Bangladesh since Friday, according to estimates by Rohingya refugees [RETURNEES] living in the makeshift camps on the Bangladeshi side of the border…”.

The more of them take themselves off to Bangladesh, the better. NGOs should be told to assist them on Bangladeshi soil – and ONLY in Bangladesh.

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Reply #16 - Aug 28^th, 2017 at 7:51pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 27^th, 2017 at 2:58pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Aug 27^th, 2017 at 2:38pm:

Rohingya will come to Australia because Uncle Sam instructed Mr. Turnbull to believe their cause and help them.

Australia has to lead because Australia has been leaning on other countries to take Rohingya and Turnbull must lead by example.

A few tens of thousands could be sent to Bondi where they can live by the sea which is their historic environment.

Here's one who has been anointed and offered quick citizenship. Ten thousand other potential future Bondi citizens await.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/feb/16/glimmer-of-hope-for-10000...

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Kyar was overjoyed to the receive the letter, embossed with the coat of arms of Australia and the letterhead of the minister for immigration and border protection.

“On behalf of the Government and the people of Australia, I am pleased to inform you that your application for Australian citizenship has been approved,” the missive read.

“The final step in becoming an Australian citizen is to make a Pledge of Commitment at an Australian citizenship ceremony. You will not be an Australian citizen until you make the Pledge.

“Generally, your citizenship ceremony will be scheduled within six months from the time your application is approved.”

A Rohingyan man from Myanmar, Kyar (not his real name, which is being withheld to protect him and his family) had spent his entire life stateless – belonging to no place and welcome nowhere. But now he felt, finally, at the age of 44, and 25 years after fleeing his homeland, that he would finally have a country to call his own.

“I have never been a citizen of anywhere in my life,” Kyar tells the Guardian over sweet tea at a cafe near his home in western Sydney. “I have always been an illegal. I cannot describe the feeling of this letter. It felt like a new life to me, finally I could start my life, I could have a family, I could be safe and feel secure.”

Immigration authorities unreasonably delayed refugees' citizenship bids, court rules
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Kyar carries the letter to this day, carefully folded up in his wallet.

It is dated 11 November 2014.

Still Kyar is not a citizen of this, nor any other country.

Still Kyar waits.

Kyar is one of 10,231 people living in Australia who have qualified for citizenship but who have been denied it because they came to the country as “undocumented arrivals”, the vast majority as refugees arriving by boat.

That's all we need. More little brown people s hitting in our gutters.

No worries, we'll just ship them off to public housing in Rooty Hill.

No one will ever know the difference.

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Reply #17 - Aug 28^th, 2017 at 7:58pm

Gordon wrote on Aug 28^th, 2017 at 6:11pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Aug 28^th, 2017 at 5:26pm:

Myanmar's problems with Rohingya is similar to Thailand's problems with Muslim insurgency and Indonesia's Aceh problem.

Rohingya, Thai Muslims, and Acehnese want an independent state but it will never be granted because none of these countries want a hostile state on their borders. The hostilities are much easier to contain internally than externally because an external state can more easily receive assistance from other radical groups in other countries.

So the Rohingya, Thai Muslim insurgency, and Acehnese resistance can only be solved if these insurgencies cease and they abide by the national law they are governed under. I believe the Acehnese insurgency is greatly reduced since the December 2004 Tsunami.

No doubt the Burmese come down hard on them, but that's what happens to separatists insurgents in a developing country.

The best solution is for them to go Bangladesh.

They're insurgents because the Burmese government has declared them stateless. They can't work legally or own land. They can't do that in Bangladesh either. The Rohinga have no residency there.

But do you know? I can see no harm in them settling in Bondi, Gordon. You people have a rich legacy of immigration.

You make fine citizens.

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Reply #18 - Aug 28^th, 2017 at 8:03pm

Karnal wrote on Aug 28^th, 2017 at 7:58pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 28^th, 2017 at 6:11pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Aug 28^th, 2017 at 5:26pm:

Myanmar's problems with Rohingya is similar to Thailand's problems with Muslim insurgency and Indonesia's Aceh problem.

Rohingya, Thai Muslims, and Acehnese want an independent state but it will never be granted because none of these countries want a hostile state on their borders. The hostilities are much easier to contain internally than externally because an external state can more easily receive assistance from other radical groups in other countries.

So the Rohingya, Thai Muslim insurgency, and Acehnese resistance can only be solved if these insurgencies cease and they abide by the national law they are governed under. I believe the Acehnese insurgency is greatly reduced since the December 2004 Tsunami.

No doubt the Burmese come down hard on them, but that's what happens to separatists insurgents in a developing country.

The best solution is for them to go Bangladesh.

Who gives them the citizenship in a totally different country, Gordon? They're insurgents because the Burmese government has made them stateless.

Do you know? I can see no harm in them settling in Bondi. You people have a rich legacy of immigration.

No, Karnal. This has been going on a long time and it's all about them wanting an Islamic state.

Early separatist insurgency
In May 1946, Muslim leaders from Arakan, Burma (present-day Rakhine State, Myanmar) met with Muhammad Ali Jinnah, the founder of Pakistan, and asked for the formal annexation of two townships in the Mayu region, Buthidaung and Maungdaw, by East Pakistan (present-day Bangladesh). Two months later, the North Arakan Muslim League was founded in Akyab (present-day Sittwe, capital of Rakhine State), which also asked Jinnah to annex the region.[40] Jinnah refused, saying that he could not interfere with Burma's internal matters. After Jinnah's refusal, proposals were made by Muslims in Arakan to the newly formed post-independence government of Burma, asking for the concession of the two townships to Pakistan. The proposals were rejected by the Burmese parliament.[41]

Local mujahideen were subsequently formed against the Burmese government,[42] and began targeting government soldiers stationed in the area. Led by Mir Kassem, the newly formed mujahideen movement began gaining territory, driving out local Rakhine communities from their villages, some of whom fled to East Pakistan.[43]

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Reply #19 - Aug 28^th, 2017 at 8:07pm

Gordon wrote on Aug 28^th, 2017 at 8:03pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 28^th, 2017 at 7:58pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 28^th, 2017 at 6:11pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Aug 28^th, 2017 at 5:26pm:

Myanmar's problems with Rohingya is similar to Thailand's problems with Muslim insurgency and Indonesia's Aceh problem.

Rohingya, Thai Muslims, and Acehnese want an independent state but it will never be granted because none of these countries want a hostile state on their borders. The hostilities are much easier to contain internally than externally because an external state can more easily receive assistance from other radical groups in other countries.

So the Rohingya, Thai Muslim insurgency, and Acehnese resistance can only be solved if these insurgencies cease and they abide by the national law they are governed under. I believe the Acehnese insurgency is greatly reduced since the December 2004 Tsunami.

No doubt the Burmese come down hard on them, but that's what happens to separatists insurgents in a developing country.

The best solution is for them to go Bangladesh.

Who gives them the citizenship in a totally different country, Gordon? They're insurgents because the Burmese government has made them stateless.

Do you know? I can see no harm in them settling in Bondi. You people have a rich legacy of immigration.

No, Karnal. This has been going on a long time and it's all about them wanting an Islamic state.

Early separatist insurgency
In May 1946, Muslim leaders from Arakan, Burma (present-day Rakhine State, Myanmar) met with Muhammad Ali Jinnah, the founder of Pakistan, and asked for the formal annexation of two townships in the Mayu region, Buthidaung and Maungdaw, by East Pakistan (present-day Bangladesh). Two months later, the North Arakan Muslim League was founded in Akyab (present-day Sittwe, capital of Rakhine State), which also asked Jinnah to annex the region.[40] Jinnah refused, saying that he could not interfere with Burma's internal matters. After Jinnah's refusal, proposals were made by Muslims in Arakan to the newly formed post-independence government of Burma, asking for the concession of the two townships to Pakistan. The proposals were rejected by the Burmese parliament.[41]

Local mujahideen were subsequently formed against the Burmese government,[42] and began targeting government soldiers stationed in the area. Led by Mir Kassem, the newly formed mujahideen movement began gaining territory, driving out local Rakhine communities from their villages, some of whom fled to East Pakistan.[43]

As you rightly point out, the whole place was British in 1947. Things changed somewhat after independence and partition, which saw over a million deaths.

You've left out the rest of your Wikipedia article, Gordon - the bit that points out what the Burmese government has been doing in recent times.

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Reply #20 - Aug 28^th, 2017 at 8:14pm

Karnal wrote on Aug 28^th, 2017 at 8:07pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 28^th, 2017 at 8:03pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 28^th, 2017 at 7:58pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 28^th, 2017 at 6:11pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Aug 28^th, 2017 at 5:26pm:

Myanmar's problems with Rohingya is similar to Thailand's problems with Muslim insurgency and Indonesia's Aceh problem.

Rohingya, Thai Muslims, and Acehnese want an independent state but it will never be granted because none of these countries want a hostile state on their borders. The hostilities are much easier to contain internally than externally because an external state can more easily receive assistance from other radical groups in other countries.

So the Rohingya, Thai Muslim insurgency, and Acehnese resistance can only be solved if these insurgencies cease and they abide by the national law they are governed under. I believe the Acehnese insurgency is greatly reduced since the December 2004 Tsunami.

No doubt the Burmese come down hard on them, but that's what happens to separatists insurgents in a developing country.

The best solution is for them to go Bangladesh.

Who gives them the citizenship in a totally different country, Gordon? They're insurgents because the Burmese government has made them stateless.

Do you know? I can see no harm in them settling in Bondi. You people have a rich legacy of immigration.

No, Karnal. This has been going on a long time and it's all about them wanting an Islamic state.

Early separatist insurgency
In May 1946, Muslim leaders from Arakan, Burma (present-day Rakhine State, Myanmar) met with Muhammad Ali Jinnah, the founder of Pakistan, and asked for the formal annexation of two townships in the Mayu region, Buthidaung and Maungdaw, by East Pakistan (present-day Bangladesh). Two months later, the North Arakan Muslim League was founded in Akyab (present-day Sittwe, capital of Rakhine State), which also asked Jinnah to annex the region.[40] Jinnah refused, saying that he could not interfere with Burma's internal matters. After Jinnah's refusal, proposals were made by Muslims in Arakan to the newly formed post-independence government of Burma, asking for the concession of the two townships to Pakistan. The proposals were rejected by the Burmese parliament.[41]

Local mujahideen were subsequently formed against the Burmese government,[42] and began targeting government soldiers stationed in the area. Led by Mir Kassem, the newly formed mujahideen movement began gaining territory, driving out local Rakhine communities from their villages, some of whom fled to East Pakistan.[43]

As you rightly point out, the whole place was British in 1947. Things changed somewhat after independence and partition, which saw over a million deaths.

You've left out the rest of your Wikipedia article, Gordon - the bit that points out what the Burmese government has been doing in recent times.

Yup, countries like Pakistan and Bangladesh arms and train them and the Burmese retaliate, excessively.

Ever been to Myanmar? Lots of ethnic groups doing just fine, particularly the ones who don't try to divide up the country.

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Reply #21 - Aug 28^th, 2017 at 8:32pm

Gordon wrote on Aug 28^th, 2017 at 8:14pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 28^th, 2017 at 8:07pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 28^th, 2017 at 8:03pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 28^th, 2017 at 7:58pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 28^th, 2017 at 6:11pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Aug 28^th, 2017 at 5:26pm:

Myanmar's problems with Rohingya is similar to Thailand's problems with Muslim insurgency and Indonesia's Aceh problem.

Rohingya, Thai Muslims, and Acehnese want an independent state but it will never be granted because none of these countries want a hostile state on their borders. The hostilities are much easier to contain internally than externally because an external state can more easily receive assistance from other radical groups in other countries.

So the Rohingya, Thai Muslim insurgency, and Acehnese resistance can only be solved if these insurgencies cease and they abide by the national law they are governed under. I believe the Acehnese insurgency is greatly reduced since the December 2004 Tsunami.

No doubt the Burmese come down hard on them, but that's what happens to separatists insurgents in a developing country.

The best solution is for them to go Bangladesh.

Who gives them the citizenship in a totally different country, Gordon? They're insurgents because the Burmese government has made them stateless.

Do you know? I can see no harm in them settling in Bondi. You people have a rich legacy of immigration.

No, Karnal. This has been going on a long time and it's all about them wanting an Islamic state.

Early separatist insurgency
In May 1946, Muslim leaders from Arakan, Burma (present-day Rakhine State, Myanmar) met with Muhammad Ali Jinnah, the founder of Pakistan, and asked for the formal annexation of two townships in the Mayu region, Buthidaung and Maungdaw, by East Pakistan (present-day Bangladesh). Two months later, the North Arakan Muslim League was founded in Akyab (present-day Sittwe, capital of Rakhine State), which also asked Jinnah to annex the region.[40] Jinnah refused, saying that he could not interfere with Burma's internal matters. After Jinnah's refusal, proposals were made by Muslims in Arakan to the newly formed post-independence government of Burma, asking for the concession of the two townships to Pakistan. The proposals were rejected by the Burmese parliament.[41]

Local mujahideen were subsequently formed against the Burmese government,[42] and began targeting government soldiers stationed in the area. Led by Mir Kassem, the newly formed mujahideen movement began gaining territory, driving out local Rakhine communities from their villages, some of whom fled to East Pakistan.[43]

As you rightly point out, the whole place was British in 1947. Things changed somewhat after independence and partition, which saw over a million deaths.

You've left out the rest of your Wikipedia article, Gordon - the bit that points out what the Burmese government has been doing in recent times.

Yup, countries like Pakistan and Bangladesh arms and train them and the Burmese retaliate, excessively.

Ever been to Myanmar? Lots of ethnic groups doing just fine, particularly the ones who don't try to divide up the country.

That's strange. You must have missed the warlords, their private armies, the tribal wars and the military junta they've had since the SLORC took control.

That's why I haven't been there, Gordon. Tourism in recent times has been nearly impossible.

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Reply #22 - Aug 28^th, 2017 at 8:41pm

Karnal wrote on Aug 28^th, 2017 at 8:32pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 28^th, 2017 at 8:14pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 28^th, 2017 at 8:07pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 28^th, 2017 at 8:03pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 28^th, 2017 at 7:58pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 28^th, 2017 at 6:11pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Aug 28^th, 2017 at 5:26pm:

Myanmar's problems with Rohingya is similar to Thailand's problems with Muslim insurgency and Indonesia's Aceh problem.

Rohingya, Thai Muslims, and Acehnese want an independent state but it will never be granted because none of these countries want a hostile state on their borders. The hostilities are much easier to contain internally than externally because an external state can more easily receive assistance from other radical groups in other countries.

So the Rohingya, Thai Muslim insurgency, and Acehnese resistance can only be solved if these insurgencies cease and they abide by the national law they are governed under. I believe the Acehnese insurgency is greatly reduced since the December 2004 Tsunami.

No doubt the Burmese come down hard on them, but that's what happens to separatists insurgents in a developing country.

The best solution is for them to go Bangladesh.

Who gives them the citizenship in a totally different country, Gordon? They're insurgents because the Burmese government has made them stateless.

Do you know? I can see no harm in them settling in Bondi. You people have a rich legacy of immigration.

No, Karnal. This has been going on a long time and it's all about them wanting an Islamic state.

Early separatist insurgency
In May 1946, Muslim leaders from Arakan, Burma (present-day Rakhine State, Myanmar) met with Muhammad Ali Jinnah, the founder of Pakistan, and asked for the formal annexation of two townships in the Mayu region, Buthidaung and Maungdaw, by East Pakistan (present-day Bangladesh). Two months later, the North Arakan Muslim League was founded in Akyab (present-day Sittwe, capital of Rakhine State), which also asked Jinnah to annex the region.[40] Jinnah refused, saying that he could not interfere with Burma's internal matters. After Jinnah's refusal, proposals were made by Muslims in Arakan to the newly formed post-independence government of Burma, asking for the concession of the two townships to Pakistan. The proposals were rejected by the Burmese parliament.[41]

Local mujahideen were subsequently formed against the Burmese government,[42] and began targeting government soldiers stationed in the area. Led by Mir Kassem, the newly formed mujahideen movement began gaining territory, driving out local Rakhine communities from their villages, some of whom fled to East Pakistan.[43]

As you rightly point out, the whole place was British in 1947. Things changed somewhat after independence and partition, which saw over a million deaths.

You've left out the rest of your Wikipedia article, Gordon - the bit that points out what the Burmese government has been doing in recent times.

Yup, countries like Pakistan and Bangladesh arms and train them and the Burmese retaliate, excessively.

Ever been to Myanmar? Lots of ethnic groups doing just fine, particularly the ones who don't try to divide up the country.

That's strange. You must have missed the warlords, their private armies, the tribal wars and the military junta they've had since the SLORC took control.

That's why I haven't been there, Gordon. Tourism in recent times has been nearly impossible.

You're off your chops.
The temples of Began and Inle lake are becoming the most popular SE Asian destinations for the last 5 years.

If you'd go to Yangon you'd notice Chinese, Indians and lots of Muslims owning businesses and thriving.

The Rogingya are getting slammed because they are separatists who've been armed and trained by outside forces.

Pop over to myanmar and see for yourself like I have.

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Reply #23 - Aug 28^th, 2017 at 9:36pm

Did you go to the Rakine state, Gordon? Did you get to see the Rohinga death camps?

I'd like to go myself. In fact, I'd like to see plenty of places they don't let tourists go because all those happy tribes are supposedly trying to kill each other.

And I say supposedly because the military doesn't want you to see what they're doing.

Love means never having to say you're sorry, no?

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Reply #24 - Aug 28^th, 2017 at 9:54pm

Karnal wrote on Aug 28^th, 2017 at 9:36pm:

Did you go to the Rakine state, Gordon? Did you get to see the Rohinga death camps?

I'd like to go myself. In fact, I'd like to see plenty of places they don't let tourists go because all those happy tribes are supposedly trying to kill each other.

And I say supposedly because the military doesn't want you to see what they're doing.

Love means never having to say you're sorry, no?

It was quiet when myanmar was totally closed to the world and the military could have done anything they wanted.

Now that myanmar is open and under scrutiny it's flared up, coincidently at the same time as Muslims world wide have become militant. Funny eh?

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Reply #25 - Aug 28^th, 2017 at 10:24pm

Gordon wrote on Aug 28^th, 2017 at 9:54pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 28^th, 2017 at 9:36pm:

Did you go to the Rakine state, Gordon? Did you get to see the Rohinga death camps?

I'd like to go myself. In fact, I'd like to see plenty of places they don't let tourists go because all those happy tribes are supposedly trying to kill each other.

And I say supposedly because the military doesn't want you to see what they're doing.

Love means never having to say you're sorry, no?

It was quiet when myanmar was totally closed to the world and the military could have done anything they wanted.

Now that myanmar is open and under scrutiny it's flared up, coincidently at the same time as Muslims world wide have become militant. Funny eh?

Are you nuts? They jailed Kun Shah only a decade or so ago. He ran one of the world's biggest NGO armies and, in the 1990s, the majority of the world's heroin production. 90% at one point.

You spent too much time in Bagan, Gordon. You could have spent that time reviewing modern history.

But then, how many Burmese were you allowed to openly talk with?

Quote the rest of your Wikipedia article if you don't mind. We'll have a little look-see.

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Reply #26 - Aug 28^th, 2017 at 10:27pm

Karnal wrote on Aug 28^th, 2017 at 10:24pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 28^th, 2017 at 9:54pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 28^th, 2017 at 9:36pm:

Did you go to the Rakine state, Gordon? Did you get to see the Rohinga death camps?

I'd like to go myself. In fact, I'd like to see plenty of places they don't let tourists go because all those happy tribes are supposedly trying to kill each other.

And I say supposedly because the military doesn't want you to see what they're doing.

Love means never having to say you're sorry, no?

It was quiet when myanmar was totally closed to the world and the military could have done anything they wanted.

Now that myanmar is open and under scrutiny it's flared up, coincidently at the same time as Muslims world wide have become militant. Funny eh?

Are you nuts? They jailed Kun Shah only a decade or so ago. He ran one of the world's biggest NGO armies and, in the 1990s, the majority of the world's heroin production. 90% at one point.

You spent too much time in Bagan, Gordon. You could have spent that time reviewing modern history.

But then, how many Burmese were you allowed to openly talk with?

Quote the rest of your Wikipedia article if you don't mind. We'll have a little look-see.

If they weren't trying on their islamist sepretist crap, the bad stuff would not be happening.

Conversation over

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Reply #27 - Aug 28^th, 2017 at 11:36pm

Gordon wrote on Aug 28^th, 2017 at 10:27pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 28^th, 2017 at 10:24pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 28^th, 2017 at 9:54pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 28^th, 2017 at 9:36pm:

Did you go to the Rakine state, Gordon? Did you get to see the Rohinga death camps?

I'd like to go myself. In fact, I'd like to see plenty of places they don't let tourists go because all those happy tribes are supposedly trying to kill each other.

And I say supposedly because the military doesn't want you to see what they're doing.

Love means never having to say you're sorry, no?

It was quiet when myanmar was totally closed to the world and the military could have done anything they wanted.

Now that myanmar is open and under scrutiny it's flared up, coincidently at the same time as Muslims world wide have become militant. Funny eh?

Are you nuts? They jailed Kun Shah only a decade or so ago. He ran one of the world's biggest NGO armies and, in the 1990s, the majority of the world's heroin production. 90% at one point.

You spent too much time in Bagan, Gordon. You could have spent that time reviewing modern history.

But then, how many Burmese were you allowed to openly talk with?

Quote the rest of your Wikipedia article if you don't mind. We'll have a little look-see.

If they weren't trying on their islamist sepretist crap, the bad stuff would not be happening.

Conversation over

Kun Shah didn't have Muslim rebels in the Shan state, Gordon. It's still a no-go area. You're not allowed to go there.

Conversation over? That was quick. Start a good one next time, okay?

And yes, I wouldl like to visit Yangon.

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Reply #28 - Aug 29^th, 2017 at 9:03am

Karnal wrote on Aug 28^th, 2017 at 11:36pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 28^th, 2017 at 10:27pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 28^th, 2017 at 10:24pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 28^th, 2017 at 9:54pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 28^th, 2017 at 9:36pm:

Did you go to the Rakine state, Gordon? Did you get to see the Rohinga death camps?

I'd like to go myself. In fact, I'd like to see plenty of places they don't let tourists go because all those happy tribes are supposedly trying to kill each other.

And I say supposedly because the military doesn't want you to see what they're doing.

Love means never having to say you're sorry, no?

It was quiet when myanmar was totally closed to the world and the military could have done anything they wanted.

Now that myanmar is open and under scrutiny it's flared up, coincidently at the same time as Muslims world wide have become militant. Funny eh?

Are you nuts? They jailed Kun Shah only a decade or so ago. He ran one of the world's biggest NGO armies and, in the 1990s, the majority of the world's heroin production. 90% at one point.

You spent too much time in Bagan, Gordon. You could have spent that time reviewing modern history.

But then, how many Burmese were you allowed to openly talk with?

Quote the rest of your Wikipedia article if you don't mind. We'll have a little look-see.

If they weren't trying on their islamist sepretist crap, the bad stuff would not be happening.

Conversation over

Kun Shah didn't have Muslim rebels in the Shan state, Gordon. It's still a no-go area. You're not allowed to go there.

Conversation over? That was quick. Start a good one next time, okay?

And yes, I wouldl like to visit Yangon.

Tell you what, I'll elaborate on my observations in Myanmar which has firmed my opinions about whats happening to the Rogingya, but first let me ask you a question.

Do you think militant Islamism and a separatist movement is in any way to blame for the situation?

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