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Reply #135 - Jul 31st, 2017 at 6:16pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Jul 31st, 2017 at 6:13pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 31st, 2017 at 5:50am:
I remember mentioning in another thread the dangers of mixing corrupt, self serving parasititic politicians and lazy, criminal, self serving parasite muzzos together.

Australia is doomed.

Time to find another country smart enough to keep the CULT out.

Oh yeah, thats right, politicians everywhere are too stoooopid to do that.

There is nowhere to go.

We id doomed


I will donate towards Valkie's ticket out of Australia.

I will donate towards the repair of your space ship.
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Reply #136 - Jul 31st, 2017 at 6:17pm
 
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If the Federal Court has held that Australians have an implied right to Freedom of Speech I would call that significant


Give me the link to the actual case....then I'll read it.  I bet you can't.

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Reply #137 - Jul 31st, 2017 at 6:19pm
 
The Red Baron has converted to Islam. He is starting to preach open justice. Public trials instead of secret Kangaroo courts with conviction by guilty plea induced by threats by plod and prosecutors against the detainee, the detainees family and relatives.

No credible evidence ever comes out of these Kangaroo courts adjudicated by Skippy Rozencwajg who believes that evidence is a waste of the court's time.
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Reply #138 - Jul 31st, 2017 at 6:37pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jul 31st, 2017 at 6:17pm:
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If the Federal Court has held that Australians have an implied right to Freedom of Speech I would call that significant


Give me the link to the actual case....then I'll read it.  I bet you can't.

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The Australian Constitution does not explicitly protect freedom of expression. However, the High Court has held that an implied freedom of political communication exists as an indispensible part of the system of representative and responsible government created by the Constitution.  It operates as a freedom from government restraint, rather than a right conferred directly on individuals.

In Nationwide News Pty Ltd v Wills (1992) 177 CLR 1 and Australian Capital Television Pty Ltd v the Commonwealth (1992) 177 CLR 106, the majority of the High Court held that an implied freedom of political communication exists as an incident of the system of representative government established by the Constitution. This was reaffirmed in Unions NSW v New South Wales [2013] HCA 58.

https://www.humanrights.gov.au/freedom-information-opinion-and-expression
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Reply #139 - Jul 31st, 2017 at 6:38pm
 
rhino wrote on Jul 31st, 2017 at 6:37pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 31st, 2017 at 6:17pm:
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If the Federal Court has held that Australians have an implied right to Freedom of Speech I would call that significant


Give me the link to the actual case....then I'll read it.  I bet you can't.

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The Australian Constitution does not explicitly protect freedom of expression. However, the High Court has held that an implied freedom of political communication exists as an indispensible part of the system of representative and responsible government created by the Constitution.  It operates as a freedom from government restraint, rather than a right conferred directly on individuals.

In Nationwide News Pty Ltd v Wills (1992) 177 CLR 1 and Australian Capital Television Pty Ltd v the Commonwealth (1992) 177 CLR 106, the majority of the High Court held that an implied freedom of political communication exists as an incident of the system of representative government established by the Constitution. This was reaffirmed in Unions NSW v New South Wales [2013] HCA 58.

https://www.humanrights.gov.au/freedom-information-opinion-and-expression


Where is the reference to freedom of speech?

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Reply #140 - Jul 31st, 2017 at 6:42pm
 
You missed the word "implied".  Wink
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Reply #141 - Jul 31st, 2017 at 6:52pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jul 31st, 2017 at 3:02pm:
Karnal:

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Bolt's case was the only test of 18C in court.


Wasn't that case involving those Uni students taken to Court and dismissed?


Yes ... deemed frivolous & the complainant was ordered to pay costs ......

which she hasn't.

But I bet tax payers will in the end.
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Reply #142 - Jul 31st, 2017 at 6:57pm
 
mothra wrote on Jul 31st, 2017 at 3:11pm:
Yet Muslims have been living amongst us peacefully for generations.

Make them welcome. They will repay you with kindness.



Yes for 150 years but not too many of the ones that have been bought in since the late 70's & early to mid 80's.

They were made welcome & they haven't repaid anyone with kindness.

You're bloody delusional.
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Reply #143 - Jul 31st, 2017 at 7:00pm
 
rhino wrote on Jul 31st, 2017 at 6:42pm:
You missed the word "implied".  Wink


No, I saw it.  Were the words which immediately followed ~ freedom of speech?

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Reply #144 - Jul 31st, 2017 at 7:01pm
 
Gnads wrote on Jul 31st, 2017 at 6:57pm:
mothra wrote on Jul 31st, 2017 at 3:11pm:
Yet Muslims have been living amongst us peacefully for generations.

Make them welcome. They will repay you with kindness.



Yes for 150 years but not too many of the ones that have been bought in since the late 70's & early to mid 80's.

They were made welcome & they haven't repaid anyone with kindness.

You're bloody delusional.



Of course they have! Most Muslims have integrated beautifully. Valued members of our community.
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Reply #145 - Jul 31st, 2017 at 7:02pm
 
mothra wrote on Jul 31st, 2017 at 3:29pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 31st, 2017 at 3:27pm:
mothra wrote on Jul 31st, 2017 at 3:11pm:
Yet Muslims have been living amongst us peacefully for generations.

Make them welcome. They will repay you with kindness.



Except the current, future, potential and actual terrorists that seem to be in numbers vastly greater than is acceptable.


Or the ones that absolutely hate Australia and Australian because they are violent scumbags



It is easy enough to tell, one form the other, tell them mohamed is a filthy child rapists and the peaceful ones will smile and thank you for your accurate analysis of their religion and the rest will behave as expected.


It is easier to not.


And yet, i've met jerks among all sorts of people. Why don't Muslims get to have some jerks too .. without hysterical overreaction to it?




Some jerks?  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Just when I thought it wasn't possible ... you excel yourself ....

with another classic piece of understatement.

Some ...  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #146 - Jul 31st, 2017 at 7:03pm
 
Some further reading for my learned friend Aussie:

[4]             Australian Law Reform Commission, Secrecy Laws and Open Government in Australia, Report No 112 (2009).
‹ 4. Freedom of Speech

4. Freedom of Speech

The common law
4.13     Freedom of speech has been characterised as one of the ‘fundamental values protected by the common law’.[5] Heydon J has observed that ‘there are many common law rights of free speech’ in the sense that the common law recognises a ‘negative theory of rights’ under which rights are marked out by ‘gaps in the criminal law’.[6]
4.14     The High Court of Australia has stated that freedom of speech is ‘a common law freedom’ and that it ‘embraces freedom of communication concerning government and political matters’:
The common law has always attached a high value to the freedom and particularly in relation to the expression of concerns about government or political matters … The common law and the freedoms it encompasses have a constitutional dimension. It has been referred to in this Court as ‘the ultimate constitutional foundation in Australia’.[7]
4.15     In relation to defamation, the common law defence of qualified privilege has been extended on the basis of the constitutionally protected freedom of communication, discussed below. In Lange v Australian Broadcasting Corporation (Lange), the High Court determined that, as the development of the common law in Australia cannot run counter to constitutional imperatives, the common law rules of qualified privilege should properly reflect the requirements of ss 7, 24, 64, 128 and related sections of the Australian Constitution.[8]
4.16     Freedom of speech is not absolute. Even the First Amendment of the United States Constitution has been held not to protect all speech: it does not, for example, protect obscene publications or speech inciting imminent lawless action.[9] Australian common law has long recognised limits to free speech, for example, in relation to the criminal law of incitement and conspiracy, and in obscenity and sedition law.
[5]             Nationwide News v Wills (1992) 177 CLR 1, 31.
[6]             Attorney-General (SA) v Corporation of the City of Adelaide (2013) 249 CLR 1, [145] (Heydon J). See Ch 2.
[7]             Monis v The Queen (2013) 249 CLR 92, [60] (French CJ).
[8]             Lange v Australian Broadcasting Corporation (1997) 189 CLR 520, 566, 571.
[9]             Brandenburg v Ohio 395 US 444 (1969).


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Reply #147 - Jul 31st, 2017 at 7:05pm
 
But wait...there's more:

4. Freedom of Speech

Summary
4.1        Freedom of speech has been described as ‘the freedom par excellence; for without it, no other freedom could survive’.[1] Freedom of speech is ‘closely linked to other fundamental freedoms which reflect … what it is to be human: freedoms of religion, thought, and conscience’.[2]
4.2        This chapter discusses the source and rationale of the common law right of freedom of speech; how this right is protected from statutory encroachment; and when laws that interfere with freedom of speech may be considered justified, including by reference to the concept of proportionality.
4.3        Free speech and free expression are understood to be integral aspects of a person’s right of self-development and fulfilment. The freedom is intrinsically important, and also serves a number of broad objectives:
First, it promotes the self-fulfilment of individuals in society. Secondly, in the famous words of Holmes J (echoing John Stuart Mill), ‘the best test of truth is the power of the thought to get itself accepted in the competition of the market’. Thirdly, freedom of speech is the lifeblood of democracy. The free flow of information and ideas informs political debate. It is a safety valve: people are more ready to accept decisions that go against them if they can in principle seek to influence them. It acts as a brake on the abuse of power by public officials. It facilitates the exposure of errors in the governance and administration of justice of the country.[3]
4.4        At the same time, it is widely recognised that freedom of speech is not absolute. In Australia, legislation prohibits, or renders unlawful, speech or expression in many different contexts. Some limitations on speech have long been recognised by the common law itself, such as obscenity and sedition, defamation, blasphemy, incitement, and passing off.
4.5        Numerous Commonwealth laws may be seen as interfering with freedom of speech and expression. There are, for example, more than 500 government secrecy provisions alone. In the area of commercial and corporate regulation, a range of intellectual property, media, broadcasting and telecommunications laws restrict the content of publications, broadcasts, advertising and other media products. In the context of workplace relations, anti-discrimination law—including the general protections provisions of the Fair Work Act 2009 (Cth)—prohibit certain forms of speech and expression.
4.6        Some areas identified as being of concern are:
•      various counter-terrorism offences provided under sch 1 of the Criminal Code Act 1995 (Cth) (Criminal Code) and, in particular, the offence of advocating terrorism;
•      various terrorism-related secrecy offences in the Criminal Code, Crimes Act 1914 (Cth) and Australian Security Intelligence Organisation Act 1979 (Cth) (ASIO Act) and, in particular, those relating to ‘special intelligence operations’;
•      Commonwealth secrecy offences generally, including the general secrecy offences in ss 70 and 79 of the Crimes Act; and
•      anti-discrimination law and, in particular, s 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act 1975 (Cth) (RDA).
4.7        Counter-terrorism and national security laws, including those mentioned above, should be subject to further review to ensure that the laws do not interfere unjustifiably with freedom of speech, or other rights and freedoms. Further review on this basis could be conducted by the Independent National Security Legislation Monitor (INSLM) and the Parliamentary Joint Committee on Intelligence and Security (Intelligence Committee).
4.8        The ALRC has not established whether s 18C of the RDA has, in practice, caused unjustifiable interferences with freedom of speech. However, it appears that pt IIA of the RDA, of which s 18C forms a part, would benefit from more thorough review in relation to freedom of speech.
4.9        In particular, there are arguments that s 18C lacks sufficient precision and clarity, and unjustifiably interferes with freedom of speech by extending to speech that is reasonably likely to ‘offend’. In some respects, the provision is broader than is required under international law to prohibit the advocacy of racial hatred, broader than similar laws in other jurisdictions, and may be susceptible to constitutional challenge.
4.10     However, any such review should take place in conjunction with a more general review of anti-vilification laws. This could consider not only existing encroachments on freedom of speech, but also whether existing Commonwealth laws serve their purposes, including in discouraging the urging of violence towards targeted groups distinguished by race, religion, nationality, national or ethnic origin or political opinion. Greater harmonisation between Commonwealth, state and territory laws in this area may also be desirable.
4.11     There is also reason to review the range of legislative provisions that protect the processes of tribunals, commissions of inquiry and regulators. Some of these laws may unjustifiably interfere with freedom of speech—and may be unconstitutional—in prohibiting criticism of public officers engaged in performing public functions.
4.12     Finally, the Australian Government should give further consideration to the recommendations of the ALRC in its 2009 report on secrecy laws,[4] and to whether Commonwealth secrecy laws—including the Australian Border Force Act 2015 (Cth)—provide for proportionate limitat
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Reply #148 - Jul 31st, 2017 at 7:06pm
 
mothra wrote on Jul 31st, 2017 at 7:01pm:
Gnads wrote on Jul 31st, 2017 at 6:57pm:
mothra wrote on Jul 31st, 2017 at 3:11pm:
Yet Muslims have been living amongst us peacefully for generations.

Make them welcome. They will repay you with kindness.



Yes for 150 years but not too many of the ones that have been bought in since the late 70's & early to mid 80's.

They were made welcome & they haven't repaid anyone with kindness.

You're bloody delusional.



Of course they have! Most Muslims have integrated beautifully. Valued members of our community.


Yes surely .... like Mohammad El-Mouelhy?

and the scum that have gone to Syria & all their supporters here in Australia.

Getting better all the time  Roll Eyes
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Reply #149 - Jul 31st, 2017 at 7:09pm
 
Gnads wrote on Jul 31st, 2017 at 7:06pm:
mothra wrote on Jul 31st, 2017 at 7:01pm:
Gnads wrote on Jul 31st, 2017 at 6:57pm:
mothra wrote on Jul 31st, 2017 at 3:11pm:
Yet Muslims have been living amongst us peacefully for generations.

Make them welcome. They will repay you with kindness.



Yes for 150 years but not too many of the ones that have been bought in since the late 70's & early to mid 80's.

They were made welcome & they haven't repaid anyone with kindness.

You're bloody delusional.



Of course they have! Most Muslims have integrated beautifully. Valued members of our community.


Yes surely .... like Mohammad El-Mouelhy?

and the scum that have gone to Syria & all their supporters here in Australia.

Getting better all the time  Roll Eyes



Yep. Jerks. Every one of them. But there's not really that many. It's ok. Calm down.
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