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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 11070 Australia Gender:	Re: Why CO2 can't be responsible for current warming Reply #15 - Jul 30^th, 2017 at 10:41am You forget one thing JV. There are more scientists disputing AGW as presented by the IPCC than there are scientists who support this theory. You cannot turn your back on that can you...? If your theory doesn't match your observations in the real world then your theory is wrong.
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Reply #16 - Jul 30^th, 2017 at 10:50am

The real data shows that CO2 is acting as a greenhouse gas. So far that has heated the world by 1.1°C as I said earlier.

It is the deniers who are being left behind by the results of the AGW they deny.

The last 20 years the warming has taken place with the sun in a quiet state. When that gives way, as it will, to an active state what do you think that is going to do to temperatures here, Ajax?

Whenever CO2 is examined it is found to be a greenhouse gas trapping IR on the surface, warming it. That is a fact no denier can deny.

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Reply #17 - Jul 30^th, 2017 at 11:12am

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 10:50am:

The real data shows that CO2 is acting as a greenhouse gas. So far that has heated the world by 1.1°C as I said earlier.

It is the deniers who are being left behind by the results of the AGW they deny.

The last 20 years the warming ha, as it wills taken place with the sun in a quiet state. When that gives way, as it will, what do you think that is going to do to temperatures here, Ajax?

Whenever CO2 is examined it is found to be a greenhouse gas trapping IR on the surface, warming it. That is a fact no denier can deny.

And the other 60 odd scientific papers in the OP all say the same thing.

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Swiss Physicist Concludes IPCC Assumptions ‘Violate Reality’…CO2 A ‘Very Weak Greenhouse Gas’

CO2 Contributed Only 0.12°C to Global Temps Since 1850, CO2 Is A Very Weak Greenhouse Gas

“Our results permit to conclude that CO2 is a very weak greenhouse gas and cannot be accepted as the main driver of climate change”

“The assumption of a constant temperature and black body radiation definitely violates reality and even the principles of thermodynamics.”

“[W]e conclude that the temperature increases predicted by the IPCC AR5 lack robust scientific justification.”

“A doubling [to 800ppm] of the present level of CO2 [400ppm] results in [temperature change] <0.24 K.”

“[T]he scientific community must look for causes of climate change that can be solely based on physics and chemistry.”

--Dr. F. K. Reinhart (2017), Swiss Federal Institute of Technology

https://iowaclimate.org/2017/07/17/page/2/

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Below are some of the key user-friendly (non-technical) points from Dr. Reinhart’s paper entitled Infrared absorption of atmospheric carbon dioxide.

A summarizing conclusion from the calculations may be that if we doubled today’s concentration (400 ppm) to 800 ppm, the consequent temperature response would be less than 1/4th of a degree Celsius.

Even with a ten-fold increase in today’s CO2 concentration (400 ppm) to 4,000 ppm, the resulting temperature change would amount to just 0.8°C

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Why CO2 can't be responsible for current warming Reply #18 - Jul 30^th, 2017 at 11:38am Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 12:48am: Notrickszone is just a denialist site, Ajax, and the climate sensitivity to CO2 is higher, not to mention the methane and nitrous oxide, much stronger greenhouses gases than CO2. All your posts are DENIALIST ZONES Monk. Think about it.
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Reply #19 - Jul 30^th, 2017 at 1:15pm

Ajax wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 1:20am:

The logarithmic effect of CO2

What Ajax fails to realise (as does his denialist websites) is that man made CO2 have ALSO been increasing exponentially since the industrial revolution.

Also note how Ajax's graphs have cherry picked a start date of 1997. The reason they chose 1997 is that it was one of the biggest El-Ninos ever recorded. Cherry picking data is a common tactic of Ajax and his denier websites.

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Reply #20 - Jul 30^th, 2017 at 1:29pm

LOL
Denialist forget that there has been more and less CO2 in the atmosphere.
That most of it is naturally occurring and that it is needed for life on the planet to exist.
They forget the Earth has been warmer and cooler.

They forget that Correlation does not equate to Causation, which is the premise of their theory and they ignore the "pause" because it debunks their theory.
They ignore the fudged records, the lies and fraud... the list of their denial goes on and on and on....

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Reply #21 - Jul 30^th, 2017 at 1:50pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 1:15pm:

Ajax wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 1:20am:

The logarithmic effect of CO2

What Ajax fails to realise (as does his denialist websites) is that man made CO2 have ALSO been increasing exponentially since the industrial revolution.

Well thank you for helping to prove my point, yes manmade CO2 has been exponentially increasing did you ever see me say otherwise....??

BUT as my post above shows in the period 1990 to 2015 the average yearly increase of atmospheric CO2 at 2.1ppm doesn't follow human emissions but rather the much larger natural emissions from the sinks as the earth warms... Wink

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Also note how Ajax's graphs have cherry picked a start date of 1997. The reason they chose 1997 is that it was one of the biggest El-Ninos ever recorded. Cherry picking data is a common tactic of Ajax and his denier websites.

Not cheery picked at all references are there for anyone to see, the point he's making is after the 1970 - 1995 the temperatures were petering out and yet mans emissions as you so eloquently point out have never been higher.

Where's your correlation.............!!!

The IPCC computer models were wrong, the sooner people start realising this the better of the whole world will be.

Might take some time thought with the oligarchy in control of the media......... Wink

http://www.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/v6.0/tlt/uahncdc_lt_6.0.txt

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According to the data used in the graph above, namely the NASA satellite data processed by the people who invented measuring temperatures from space at the University of Huntsville in Alabama, the warmest four years since 1979 when satellite monitoring began were, in order:

2016, at 0.504 °C

1998, at 0.483 °C

2010, at 0.333 °C

2015, at 0.259 °C

(all temperatures with respect to the same arbitrary baseline)

http://joannenova.com.au/2017/01/what-they-dont-say-about-the-hottest-ever-year-...

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Why CO2 can't be responsible for current warming Reply #22 - Jul 30^th, 2017 at 4:34pm JoNova is a paid propagandist posting denialist crap on behalf of fossil fuel interests. CO2 is a greenhouse gas. Anthropogenic CO2 has raised global temperatures 1.1°C. I have posted not words but actual measurements of the IR trapping ability of CO2.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21558 Gender:	Re: Why CO2 can't be responsible for current warming Reply #23 - Jul 30^th, 2017 at 6:10pm Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 4:34pm: JoNova is a paid propagandist posting denialist crap on behalf of fossil fuel interests. Oh dear. Assertions without proof once again. I thought you were a scientist?
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Re: Why CO2 can't be responsible for current warming
Reply #24 - Jul 30^th, 2017 at 6:45pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 1:29pm:

LOL
Denialist forget that there has been more and less CO2 in the atmosphere.
That most of it is naturally occurring and that it is needed for life on the planet to exist.
They forget the Earth has been warmer and cooler.

They forget that Correlation does not equate to Causation, which is the premise of their theory and they ignore the "pause" because it debunks their theory.
They ignore the fudged records, the lies and fraud... the list of their denial goes on and on and on....

rates-of-change,

Grendel wants to do the billion page circle j e rk again Shocked

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Reply #25 - Jul 30^th, 2017 at 6:50pm

TheFunPolice wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 6:45pm:

rates-of-change,

Forgotten already?

"emperature data for the period 1860-1880 are more uncertain, because of sparser coverage, than for later periods in the 20th Century. The 1860-1880 period is also only 21 years in length. As for the two periods 1910-40 and 1975-1998 the warming rates are not statistically significantly different (see numbers below).

I have also included the trend over the period 1975 to 2009, which has a very similar trend to the period 1975-1998.

So, in answer to the question, the warming rates for all 4 periods are similar and not statistically significantly different from each other. "

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8511670.stm

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Re: Why CO2 can't be responsible for current warming
Reply #26 - Jul 31^st, 2017 at 11:05am

Grendel wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 1:29pm:

Denialist forget that there has been more and less CO2 in the atmosphere.

The amount of CO2 in the atmosphere has varied over the history of the earth. No one is denying that. The levels of CO2 also correspond quite well with changes in temperature.

Grendel wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 1:29pm:

That most of it is naturally occurring and that it is needed for life on the planet to exist.

Clearly you don't understand the carbon cycle. If there was no CO2 in the atmosphere the Earth would be too cold to sustain life. If you add ADDITIONAL CO2 to the atmosphere from burning fossil fuels you will cause ADDITIONAL warming

Grendel wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 1:29pm:

They forget the Earth has been warmer and cooler.

Of course the earth's climate has changed in the past. This is a typically ignorant strawman argument from the deniers. The problem is that we now have modern coastal and agricultural infrastructure which will not be able to handle a warming climate, and the current warming climate is the result of human activities

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TheFunPolice Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9009 waggawagga Gender:	Re: Why CO2 can't be responsible for current warming Reply #27 - Jul 31^st, 2017 at 1:30pm http://polar.ncep.noaa.gov/seaice/analysis/nh.xml
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Reply #28 - Jul 31^st, 2017 at 4:49pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 31^st, 2017 at 11:05am:

The problem is that we now have modern coastal and agricultural infrastructure which will not be able to handle a warming climate, and the current warming climate is the result of human activities

You mean like aboriginals burning the trees and grasses?

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21558 Gender:	Re: Why CO2 can't be responsible for current warming Reply #29 - Jul 31^st, 2017 at 4:51pm TheFunPolice wrote on Jul 31^st, 2017 at 1:30pm: http://polar.ncep.noaa.gov/seaice/analysis/nh.xml Look at all that "No Data" in the prettiest of pinks.
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