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Reply #16 - Jul 27th, 2017 at 10:39am
 
I don’t listen to tripleJ, being more an ABC Classics kinda guy but they are wrong on the breakaway.
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Reply #17 - Jul 27th, 2017 at 10:50am
 
Triple J is an interesting listen as it caters for an educated under 25 year old demographic that isn't too interested in hearing different views. It's sort of a hug fest for close minded arts students.
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Reply #18 - Jul 27th, 2017 at 10:53am
 
Take your word for it  Smiley
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Reply #19 - Jul 27th, 2017 at 9:23pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 27th, 2017 at 1:22am:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 4:32pm:
Mmmmm, I wasn't aware that Greenland was part of the Larson C Ice Shelf in Antarctica.  Gee, you learn something new everyday in Ozpolitics, don't you?    Roll Eyes


I was going to say something similar. But the point of his message, as I was reading it again just now, was that there were other icebergs larger than the Larsen Ice Shelf that have broken off. Meaning that this is just another usual even that has happened many times over the centuries dating back to Antarctica's formation.



That may be what he intended but that was not what he said.

Mechie is quoting BTW from the website "sign of the times" - a Christian fundamentalist Apocalypse devoted website I've just been reading.  It includes references to "human faced goats" and storms and eruptions as being something unusual.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #20 - Jul 28th, 2017 at 9:51am
 
The Moronic also watches the Dubyne “Ice Age” videos religiously, the videos that predicted in 2015 that the North West Passage would be closed by “thick ice.” Dubyne quietly removed the video from his playlist after a huge cruiseship sailed through the NW Passage in 2016  Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #22 - Jul 28th, 2017 at 3:00pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 27th, 2017 at 1:22am:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 4:32pm:
Mmmmm, I wasn't aware that Greenland was part of the Larson C Ice Shelf in Antarctica.  Gee, you learn something new everyday in Ozpolitics, don't you?    Roll Eyes


I was going to say something similar. But the point of his message, as I was reading it again just now, was that there were other icebergs larger than the Larsen Ice Shelf that have broken off. Meaning that this is just another usual even that has happened many times over the centuries dating back to Antarctica's formation.

Lies , damned lies and statistics!

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Reply #23 - Jul 28th, 2017 at 3:02pm
 
Grendel wrote on Jul 28th, 2017 at 12:09pm:

So what is Grendel implying?
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Reply #24 - Jul 28th, 2017 at 7:03pm
 
Source Lord Monkton Science Institute:Summary Points:

·         Gore, aiming to undermine the significance of previous warm periods such as that of the Middle Ages, promoted the discredited 1,000-year “hockey stick” temperature chart (McIntyre & McKitrick, 2005).

·         Gore showed heart-rending pictures of the New Orleans floods and insisted on a link between increased hurricane frequency and global warming that is not supported by the facts (IPCC, 2001, 2007).

·         Gore asserted that today’s Arctic is experiencing unprecedented warmth while ignoring that Arctic temperatures in the 1930s and 1940s were as warm or warmer (Briffa et al., 2004). 

·         Gore did not explain that Arctic temperature changes are more closely correlated with changes in solar activity than with changes in atmospheric CO2 concentrations (Soon, 2005).

·         Gore did not explain that the Sun has been hotter, for longer, in the past 50 years than in any similar period in at least the past 11,400 years (Solanki et al., 2005).

·         Gore said the Antarctic was warming and losing ice but failed to note, that is only true of a small region and the vast bulk of the continent has been cooling and gaining ice (Doran et al., 2004).

·         Gore mentioned the breakup of the Larsen B ice shelf, but did not mention peer-reviewed research which suggests the ice shelf did not exist 1,000 years ago (Pudsey & Evans, 2001).

·         Gore hyped unfounded fears that Greenland’s ice is in danger of disappearing. In fact its thickness has been growing by 2 inches per year for a decade (Johanessen et al., 2005).

·         Gore falsely claimed that global warming is melting Mt. Kilimanjaro’s icecap, actually caused by atmospheric dessication from local deforestation, and pre-20th-century climate shifts (Cullen et al., 2006).

·         Gore made assertions of massive future sea level rise beyond any supposed scientific “consensus”, when in fact little increase in the rate of sea-level rise is to be expected in the coming century (Morner, 1995, 2004).

·         Gore implied that a Peruvian glacier's retreat is due to global warming, failing to state that the region has been cooling since the 1930s and other South American glaciers are advancing (Polissar et al., 2006). 

·         Gore blamed global warming for water loss in Africa's Lake Chad, though NASA scientists had concluded that local water-use and grazing patterns are probably to blame (Foley & Coe, 2001).

·         Gore inaccurately said polar bears are drowning due to melting ice when in fact 11 of the 13 main groups in Canada are thriving, and polar bear populations have more than doubled since 1940 (Taylor, 2006).

·         Gore said the ocean absorbs heat from the Sun, when in fact the ocean takes nearly all of its heat from the atmosphere, without which the ocean would freeze over (Houghton, 2004).

·         Gore said a review of 928 scientific papers had shown none against the “consensus”. In fact only 1% of the papers were explicitly pro-“consensus”; almost 3 times as many were explicitly against (Peiser, 2006).

·         Gore showed a link between changes in temperature and in CO2 concentration in the past 500,000 years, but did not admit that changes in temperature preceded changes in CO2 concentration (Petit et al., 1999).




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Reply #25 - Jul 29th, 2017 at 11:47am
 
TheFunPolice wrote on Jul 28th, 2017 at 3:02pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 28th, 2017 at 12:09pm:

So what is Grendel implying?


He is implying that the warming of Antarctica is due to underwater volcanic activity.

What he isn't realizing is that Antarctica is larger in size than Australia so a few volcanic vents are going to have negligible impact.
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Reply #26 - Jul 29th, 2017 at 11:51am
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 27th, 2017 at 5:44am:
I listen to Triple J at work and they reported the breaking off of the Larsen Shelf iceberg as a result of Global Warming in EVERY reporr. They didn't acknowledge the fact that the Antarctic ice mass had been increasing for the better part of a decade. Bias to the point of deceit.


I guess we'll just have to take your word for it


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Big icebergs break off Antarctica naturally, meaning scientists are not linking the rift to manmade climate change.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-12/huge-iceberg-breaks-away-from-antarctica-l...

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Reply #27 - Jul 29th, 2017 at 12:25pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 11:47am:
TheFunPolice wrote on Jul 28th, 2017 at 3:02pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 28th, 2017 at 12:09pm:

So what is Grendel implying?


He is implying that the warming of Antarctica is due to underwater volcanic activity.

What he isn't realizing is that Antarctica is larger in size than Australia so a few volcanic vents are going to have negligible impact.

Ah no he wasn't.
So as a mindreader you have a huge FAIL!!!
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Reply #28 - Jul 29th, 2017 at 4:04pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 11:51am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 27th, 2017 at 5:44am:
I listen to Triple J at work and they reported the breaking off of the Larsen Shelf iceberg as a result of Global Warming in EVERY reporr. They didn't acknowledge the fact that the Antarctic ice mass had been increasing for the better part of a decade. Bias to the point of deceit.


I guess we'll just have to take your word for it


Quote:
Big icebergs break off Antarctica naturally, meaning scientists are not linking the rift to manmade climate change.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-12/huge-iceberg-breaks-away-from-antarctica-l...



I know what I heard, champ. I have no reason to lie. I'm not even a climate denier. I think Triple J were making the connection before a young, intellectually-lazy audience who haven't been raised to think for themselves.
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Reply #29 - Jul 29th, 2017 at 4:40pm
 
red baron wrote on Jul 28th, 2017 at 7:03pm:
Source Lord Monkton Science Institute:Summary Points:

·         Gore, aiming to undermine the significance of previous warm periods such as that of the Middle Ages, promoted the discredited 1,000-year “hockey stick” temperature chart (McIntyre & McKitrick, 2005).

·         Gore showed heart-rending pictures of the New Orleans floods and insisted on a link between increased hurricane frequency and global warming that is not supported by the facts (IPCC, 2001, 2007).

·         Gore asserted that today’s Arctic is experiencing unprecedented warmth while ignoring that Arctic temperatures in the 1930s and 1940s were as warm or warmer (Briffa et al., 2004). 

·         Gore did not explain that Arctic temperature changes are more closely correlated with changes in solar activity than with changes in atmospheric CO2 concentrations (Soon, 2005).

·         Gore did not explain that the Sun has been hotter, for longer, in the past 50 years than in any similar period in at least the past 11,400 years (Solanki et al., 2005).

·         Gore said the Antarctic was warming and losing ice but failed to note, that is only true of a small region and the vast bulk of the continent has been cooling and gaining ice (Doran et al., 2004).

·         Gore mentioned the breakup of the Larsen B ice shelf, but did not mention peer-reviewed research which suggests the ice shelf did not exist 1,000 years ago (Pudsey & Evans, 2001).

·         Gore hyped unfounded fears that Greenland’s ice is in danger of disappearing. In fact its thickness has been growing by 2 inches per year for a decade (Johanessen et al., 2005).

·         Gore falsely claimed that global warming is melting Mt. Kilimanjaro’s icecap, actually caused by atmospheric dessication from local deforestation, and pre-20th-century climate shifts (Cullen et al., 2006).

·         Gore made assertions of massive future sea level rise beyond any supposed scientific “consensus”, when in fact little increase in the rate of sea-level rise is to be expected in the coming century (Morner, 1995, 2004).

·         Gore implied that a Peruvian glacier's retreat is due to global warming, failing to state that the region has been cooling since the 1930s and other South American glaciers are advancing (Polissar et al., 2006). 

·         Gore blamed global warming for water loss in Africa's Lake Chad, though NASA scientists had concluded that local water-use and grazing patterns are probably to blame (Foley & Coe, 2001).

·         Gore inaccurately said polar bears are drowning due to melting ice when in fact 11 of the 13 main groups in Canada are thriving, and polar bear populations have more than doubled since 1940 (Taylor, 2006).

·         Gore said the ocean absorbs heat from the Sun, when in fact the ocean takes nearly all of its heat from the atmosphere, without which the ocean would freeze over (Houghton, 2004).

·         Gore said a review of 928 scientific papers had shown none against the “consensus”. In fact only 1% of the papers were explicitly pro-“consensus”; almost 3 times as many were explicitly against (Peiser, 2006).

·         Gore showed a link between changes in temperature and in CO2 concentration in the past 500,000 years, but did not admit that changes in temperature preceded changes in CO2 concentration (Petit et al., 1999).




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