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Reply #75 - Aug 7th, 2017 at 11:13pm
 
Well we all know how Monk dismisses various temperatures a "noise" yet not others.... Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Seems the BOM have been doing the same too.

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The story changes: first it was quality control, then equipment failure, now a smart card?

Jennifer Marohasy reports that the thermometers are working fine, but a smart card has been added to some to filter out “spurious cold” readings:

In particular, the Minister [Josh Frydenberg] was told that while the Goulburn weather station accurately measured the local temperature as minus 10.4 at 6.30 am on Sunday 2 July, a smart card reader prevented this value from being recorded as the daily minimum on the Daily Weather Observations page.

Apparently, the smart cards don’t filter out the spurious hot readings — on the hot side, all noise is good? I want the BOM to confirm or correct this. Despite knowing of this extraordinary, uncertain, situation, the Minister still has “full confidence” in the Bureau of Meteorology. A month ago, the BOM said the temperature clipping was a deliberate “quality control measure”, but then changed that to “equipment failure”. This week, Bill Kininmonth pointed out that the same equipment worked in Antarctica (where it gets to minus 50C). And I can add that David Stockwell  spotted the data sheet for an Automatic Weather Station thermometer installed at Nerriga. It claims that particular resistance thermometer has a range from -200 to +600 °C.  (You might think they can handle minus ten?)
Jen Marohasy claims that the BOM have made a fuss about replacing the faulty equipment, but all they had to do was take off the smart cards and leave the equipment alone:

All-the-while, the Minister has known that the problem is limited to the smart card readers.

To be clear, the problem is not with the equipment; all that needs to be done is for the smart card readers to be removed.  So, after the automatic weather stations measure the correct temperature, this temperature can be brought forward firstly into the Daily Weather Observation sheet and subsequently into the CDO dataset.

Graham Lloyd has picked this up and adds more in The Australian in “Temperatures Plunge after BOM orders fix”. Jen Marohasy saw a -10.6C temperature disappear from the Thredbo recording last month, but now, after the BOM’s rushed fix, Thredbo has already reached -10.6C this week in the official record. The Bureau’s CEO, Andrew Johnson said they had replaced equipment that was “not fit for purpose”. Which begs the question that if thermometers were not fit to record cold temperatures, what purpose were they fit for? Politically correct thermometers? Thermometers to justify Renewable Energy Subsidies and ARC Grants?
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Reply #76 - Aug 7th, 2017 at 11:17pm
 
Remember ACORN-SAT and homogenisation.

Monk dismissed it.

But...

The Australian: BoM faces storm over weather data inaccuracies

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It is the biggest public scandal for BoM since furious debate was sparked three years ago over its treatment of historic and contemporary temperature rec­ords to compile its new homogenised national temperature data series known as ACORN-SAT.

For an agency that screams from the rooftops every time the mercury nudges to the slightest record high, losing a half a degree Celsius here and there at the lower extremities is a pretty poor look.
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Reply #77 - Aug 7th, 2017 at 11:31pm
 
Oh and 1 last thing tonight.
Remember me mentioning graphs and scales and how people dishonest people manipulate them to make things look worse?
halfway down this page
http://www.climatedepot.com/2017/05/01/mit-climate-scientist-dr-richard-lindzen-...
you can see a perfect example of what I'm talking about...  One of them certainly looks like the kind of graph Monk always posts. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #78 - Aug 9th, 2017 at 12:07pm
 
http://climate.copernicus.eu/resources/data-analysis/average-surface-air-tempera...

How July fared in terms of temperature with comparison to the 1981–2010 average.

Hot, including in Australia:
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July 2017 was very much warmer than the 1981-2010 average over southern Europe, where wildfires have troubled many countries and sustaining water supplies has become a challenge in places, such as reported for Rome. Conversely, temperatures were well below average over most of the north of the continent. An exception was the far north-west of Russia, where temperatures were substantially above average, as they were in 2016. Aside from this region, the general contrast between south and north in essence continues a pattern that was present over Europe in April, May and June.

Summer heat-wave conditions prevailed over the western USA and south-western Canada, over Israel Jordan and northern Saudi Arabia, and over Mongolia and northern and eastern China. The city of Shanghai was reported to have had its warmest day on record.

Australia as a whole experienced its warmest July maximum temperatures on record. Much of South America and Africa were also warmer than average in July 2017, but eastern Brazil was colder than normal. The below-average temperatures over northern Europe were part of a band that extended around much of the northern hemisphere, including Greenland and the northern North Atlantic Ocean. Temperatures were also below average over much of the Antarctic and some oceanic regions of the southern hemisphere, although pronounced warm anomalies occurred where sea-ice cover was lower than usual around Antarctica.


Of course, Booby is going to wank on and on about Goulburn -10.4C etc. One day he will understand that it is readings over the whole country that determine the temperature record. Not holding my breath until he actually learns that tho!
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Reply #79 - Aug 9th, 2017 at 12:09pm
 
BoM agrees with the above:

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Australia in July 2017 - Bureau of Meteorology
www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/month/aus/summary.shtml
Tuesday 1 August 2017 — Monthly Summary for Australia — Product ... Average maximum temperatures were the highest on record for July over large parts of ...
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Reply #80 - Aug 9th, 2017 at 1:47pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 9th, 2017 at 12:09pm:
BoM agrees with the above:

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Australia in July 2017 - Bureau of Meteorology
www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/month/aus/summary.shtml
Tuesday 1 August 2017 — Monthly Summary for Australia — Product ... Average maximum temperatures were the highest on record for July over large parts of ...


Is that ACORN-SAT or actual temperatures? Wink
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Reply #81 - Aug 9th, 2017 at 1:49pm
 
It is the temperature the BoM measured.

Another silly question, Lees.
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Reply #82 - Aug 9th, 2017 at 1:56pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 9th, 2017 at 1:49pm:
It is the temperature the BoM measured.

Another silly question, Lees.


It is not clear from the reference. And we know ACORN-SAT only covers 112 stations. So unless you can prove your assertion, I will decline your kind offer of belief.
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Reply #83 - Aug 9th, 2017 at 2:04pm
 
You wouldn’t believe it anyway. Keep pushing that denialism Lees even tho it often makes you look like an idiot.

Bring in lots of references from “impeccably scientific” sites like JoNova and WattsUp  Wink
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Reply #84 - Aug 9th, 2017 at 2:07pm
 
You can’t read either:

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/month/aus/summary.shtml#notes

ACORN-SAT was used.
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Reply #85 - Aug 9th, 2017 at 2:12pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 9th, 2017 at 2:07pm:



Bugger. All those areas represented by 112 stations. I'll let you work out out ant error bars. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #86 - Aug 9th, 2017 at 2:13pm
 
Why would they be huge?
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Reply #87 - Aug 9th, 2017 at 3:21pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 9th, 2017 at 2:13pm:
Why would they be huge?


Please try to understand the data. Roll Eyes

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Reply #88 - Aug 9th, 2017 at 3:23pm
 
And?
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Reply #89 - Aug 9th, 2017 at 3:25pm
 
All the crap you come up with is pointless.

We know GHGs block IR radiation from escaping to space.

We know that this warms the earth.

This warming is melting icesheets, sending glaciers into retreat.

The retreat of ice sheets means albedo adds to AGW, so does deforestation by sending more CO2 into the atmosphere. You know wildfire seasons are longer and wildfires more common and larger and more destructive. The CO2 these fires release is yet another positive feedback to AGW.

Yet you want to pretend none of this is happening? Why?

You pretend to believe in “natural variation” yet after weeks of goading by me can only come up with a weird paper that does not even mention CO2, meaning it is valueless.

Why not just accept AGW is real, is happening and is accelerating?
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