Riiiight.

Since when have you been having delusions?

How to deal with the deluded?

Leave them to their delusions I suppose?

It is obvious that you are scared shitless by CO2 and the whole CO2–AGW thing and you have decided to deal with it by denying it. That is why you want to bury any and every post about AGW. Why else would someone “comfortable” with increasing CO2 levels go to so much trouble to bury any post talking about CO2 and increasing global temperatures?

We see that July 2017, not an El Nino year, was as warm as July 2016 which was an El Nino year. The opposite to what we would expect.

The real reason for the use of anomalies. Climate of Gavin

"But think about what happens when we try and estimate the absolute global mean temperature for, say, 2016. The climatology for 1981-2010 is 287.4±0.5K, and the anomaly for 2016 is (from GISTEMP w.r.t. that baseline) 0.56±0.05ºC. So our estimate for the absolute value is (using the first rule shown above) is 287.96±0.502K, and then using the second, that reduces to 288.0±0.5K. The same approach for 2015 gives 287.8±0.5K, and for 2014 it is 287.7±0.5K. All of which appear to be the same within the uncertainty. Thus we lose the ability to judge which year was the warmest if we only look at the absolute numbers."

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2017/08/observations-reanalyses-an...

And remember 1997 is still more than 3ºF above the absolute temperature of 2016.

JM's protestations to the contrary.

lee wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 12:38pm:


Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 6:19pm:



"The global average temperature of 62.45 degrees Fahrenheit for 1997 was the warmest year on record,"

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/199713

"The average global temperature across land and ocean surface areas for 2016 was 0.94°C (1.69°F) above the 20th century average of 13.9°C (57.0°F)"

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/201613

2016 - 1.69°F+57.0°F = 58.69°F

62.45°F - 58.69°F= 3.76°F warmer in 1997 than 2016.

Nope. I am sure I meant 1997.

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 6:54pm:



And yet NOAA doesn't even post a  temperature data set for 1998 anymore.

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/199813

All it says that it was warmer than 1997. V-e-r-r-r-y hard to compare temperatures when they don't post them.

I wonder what they are scared of?

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 11:26pm:



Why would you do that?

The data says 1997 was warmer than 2016. Except of course it doesn't appear that way on the graph. Why would that be? It couldn't possibly be NASA/NOAA cooling the past . /sarc

You mean NASA do climate. I thought that was laughed at by a certain Q&A audience. They must have been really cluey.

When the "data" doesn't match the graph, change the graph.