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Reply #135 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 9:28pm
 
Ah... Roll Eyes
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Reply #136 - Aug 16th, 2017 at 10:36am
 
2017 global monthly temps updated to July:

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As hot as El Nino year 2016.

No sign at all of an ice age Booby!
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Reply #137 - Aug 16th, 2017 at 12:04pm
 
Ah yes. GISTEMP. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #138 - Aug 16th, 2017 at 12:12pm
 
Yup.

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I am sure the other series show similar results. . .
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Reply #139 - Aug 16th, 2017 at 12:27pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 12:12pm:
Yup.



Yup. And all based on reconstructions performed in the 1990's that are apparently accurate to 2 decimal places all the way back. Absolutely too funny. They probably used climate models which don't hindcast all that well. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #140 - Aug 16th, 2017 at 12:27pm
 
Yup, and all agree.
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Reply #141 - Aug 16th, 2017 at 12:35pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 12:27pm:
Yup, and all agree.



All what agree?

The models? - Nope.
The "data" sets? - Nope

Just pulling statements out you arse again.
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Reply #142 - Aug 16th, 2017 at 12:43pm
 
All temperature series pretty much agree with each other.
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Reply #143 - Aug 16th, 2017 at 1:43pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 12:43pm:
All temperature series pretty much agree with each other.


And have you ever wondered why?

There is really only ONE reconstructed "data" set. And then HADCRU, GISS etc add there own little algorithms which then gives a little "wriggle" in the "data".

You really do need to study some.
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Reply #144 - Aug 16th, 2017 at 1:46pm
 
Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #145 - Aug 16th, 2017 at 1:47pm
 
"Astute readers then ask a deeper question: why do different institutions come up with slightly different numbers for the same planet? Although all four science institutions have strong similarities in how they track and analyze temperatures, there are subtle differences. As shown in the chart above, the NASA record tends to run slightly higher than the Japanese record, while the Met Office and NOAA records are usually in the middle.

There are good reasons for these differences, small as they are. Getting an accurate measurement of air temperature across the entire planet is not simple. Ideally, scientists would like to have thousands of standardized weather stations spaced evenly all around Earth’s surface. The trouble is that while there are plenty of weather stations on land, there are some pretty big gaps over the oceans, the polar regions, and even parts of Africa and South America.

The four research groups mentioned above deal with those gaps in slightly different ways. The Japanese group leaves areas without plenty of temperature stations out of their analysis, so its analysis covers about 85 percent of the globe. The Met Office makes similar choices, meaning its record covers about 86 percent of Earth’s surface. NOAA takes a different approach to the gaps, using nearby stations to interpolate temperatures in some areas that lack stations, giving the NOAA analysis 93 percent coverage of the globe. The group at NASA interpolates even more aggressively—areas with gaps are interpolated from the nearest station up to 1,200 kilometers away—and offers 99 percent coverage."

https://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/features/201501_gistemp/

Astute? You? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

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Reply #146 - Aug 16th, 2017 at 1:54pm
 
That does not say what you said. 1/10 for effort.
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Reply #147 - Aug 16th, 2017 at 2:24pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 1:54pm:
That does not say what you said. 1/10 for effort.


"The third point is how this product differs from similar efforts at GISTEMP, NCDC, and (though not mentioned) the Berkeley Earth project. The basis for GISTEMP and NCDC is GHCN for the majority of their records, so there is a lot of overlap (95% or so), but there are big differences in how they deal with grid-boxes with missing data. GISTEMP interpolates anomalies from nearby grid points, Berkeley uses kriging, while NCDC and CRUTEM estimate global means only using grid boxes with data. Since many missing data points in CRUTEM3 were in the high latitudes, which have been warming substantially faster than the global mean, this was a source of a low bias in CRUTEM3 (and HadCRUT3), when these data products were used to estimate global mean temperature trends. The increase in source data in CRUTEM4, goes some way to remove this bias, but it will likely still remain (to some extent) in HadCRUT4 (because of the sea ice covered areas of the Arctic which are still not included). Another improvement is in how the error bars are being estimated – due to data sparsity, autocorrelation, structural uncertainty, and assumptions in the synthesis. "


http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2012/03/updating-the-cru-and-hadcr...

You really think there are multiple datasets for Australia etc? Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #148 - Aug 16th, 2017 at 3:42pm
 
"The recent Berkeley Earth land-surface average temperature series is based on a greatly expanded database of station temperature data, along with a completely automated statistical averaging process. In contrast, established average temperature series from NOAA, NASA and HadCrut are based primarily on the smaller Global Historical Climate Network (GHCN) database, and use empirically derived homogenization methods to remove known biases, albeit supplemented by pure statistical methods."

https://deepclimate.org/tag/hadcrut/

"In contrast to other data sets incorporating records from roughly 5000-7000 land stations, the Berkeley data set incorporates approximately 37,000 records. This is in part due to the use of additional data bases beyond GHCN, and in part to the methodology, which allows short, fragmented timeseries to be incorporated into the statistical model. "

https://climatedataguide.ucar.edu/climate-data/global-surface-temperatures-best-...

And use of "short, fragmented timeseries"? What could possibly go wrong?
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Reply #149 - Aug 16th, 2017 at 4:25pm
 
The lack of readings in polar regions means the temperature series seriously understate the global temperature.
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