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Reply #60 - Jul 26th, 2017 at 9:11am
 
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Radioactive waste threat to Kakadu

Wednesday, March 15, 1995
By Pip Hinman

Energy Resources of Australia, the operator of the Ranger uranium mine in Kakadu in the Northern Territory, announced on March 9 that it intends to release radioactive water into nearby Magela Creek. ERA has been given permission to pollute this World Heritage wetlands area by the federal government, the Office of the Supervising Scientist and the NT acting mines and energy minister, Fred Finch.

A request for an injunction to stop the release, sought by five traditional owners, will be heard by the Supreme Court on March 16.

ERA argues that the release of contaminated water from Retention Pond 2, for the first time in Ranger's 15-year history, is unavoidable because of the near-record wet season. "For this very reason, release standards were set and approved in 1985, defining the safe maximum amounts of contaminants permitted to enter the Magela Creek system", said Finch.

Finch argues that the wastes will be diluted to a virtually undetectable level. "With creek flows of this nature, the water is not only safe but is guaranteed to reach the ocean." The minister caused further controversy when he said he would be "very happy" to drink the diluted water.

NT Medical Association for the Prevention of War (MAPW) spokesperson Philip Nitschke described Finch's comments as "foolish" and "irresponsible". "There is no 'safe' level for the ingestion of radioactive materials, and it is an accepted medical principle that humans should be exposed as little radiation as possible."

MAPW has called on the federal government to publicly release information about the nature of the contamination, and in particular their half-lives, the quantities of each of the isotopes to be released, and the expected distribution of contaminants across the flood plain. "When this information is made public, the broader community will be in a better position to assess whether it supports such an environmentally irresponsible act."

According to the NT Environment Centre's (NTEC) Richard Ledgar, Ranger was originally designed as a no release mine, but due to design faults ERA has consistently sought to release. "The natural environment should not have to pay for poor design. This is an ongoing, long-term problem which will not be solved by this release."

The NTEC is concerned that a release approval would set a dangerous precedent and represent a major weakening in the environmental safeguards protecting the World Heritage wetlands of Kakadu. "These pollutants do not just dissolve in water and disappear. They lodge in the food chain and accumulate."

The NT government has been attempting to play some of the traditional owners off against each other, saying it had received "mixed reactions" to ERA's release application. However, Northern Land Council chairperson Galarrwuy Yunupingu said on March 9, "Aboriginal people oppose the release because they are worried about their water and food supply. What would happen if Retention Pond 2 water was released into Darwin's water supply. Wouldn't the people of Darwin be outraged and rightly concerned about the effects? That is exactly how the people downstream of the pond are taking the news — they feel they are being forced out."

According to the Land Council and the NTEC, ERA has alternatives which will keep the contaminants within the restricted release zone. For instance, ERA could release excess water into the empty pit of the ore body, which was mined out last December. "Water management has always been a problem at Ranger and approval for this release will allow ERA to sidestep its obligations and to go for the cheap option. The only long-term solution is to immediately cease production, close and rehabilitate the Ranger mine site", concluded the NTEC.

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Reply #62 - Jul 26th, 2017 at 9:12am
 
So you don’t know.
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Reply #63 - Jul 26th, 2017 at 9:17am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 9:12am:
So you don’t know.

No...
But its apparent You cant read... Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #64 - Jul 26th, 2017 at 9:20am
 
Uranium truck mishap in Kakadu

Lindsay Murdoch

THE bogging of a semi-trailer loaded with uranium oxide, or yellowcake, in Kakadu National Park has highlighted the danger of transporting the dangerous material long distances by road, conservationists say.

None of the material, contained in 44-gallon (200-litre) drums in two shipping containers, leaked when the semi-trailer bogged on the side of the Arnhem Highway on Wednesday as the driver pulled over to let a truck pass about 20 kilometres from the long-troubled Ranger uranium mine.

But Dave Sweeney, nuclear campaigner for the Australian Conservation Foundation, said the incident showed the dangers associated not only with the Ranger mine but also the federal government's proposal to build Australia's first national nuclear waste dump on a remote cattle station 120 kilometres north of Tennant Creek in central Australia.

"This is a wake-up call for federal Resources Minister Martin Ferguson, who appears to be hellbent on pushing the Muckaty proposal," Mr Sweeney said.

Under the proposal, radioactive waste from major cities will be transported thousands of kilometres to the dump on Muckaty Station. The waste has been accumulating for more than 50 years.

A dump at Muckaty would also mean radioactive waste that Australia sent overseas would be transported from Darwin port overland to Muckaty. Under an international agreement, the waste must be returned to Australia in 2015 and 2016.

Mr Sweeney said the release three days before Christmas of the report of a parliamentary inquiry into the feasibility of Muckaty was a cynical attempt to avoid public scrutiny of the proposal, which has bitterly divided Aboriginal traditional owners in the area.

"This inquiry had no public input, only took evidence from the project's proponents and failed to provide procedural fairness to affected landowners," he said.

Mr Sweeney said the National Waste Management Bill, which the House of Representatives removed the appeal rights from the Muckaty community, suspended key indigenous and environmental protections and overrode all federal, state and territory laws.

"It is not based on good science and does not follow a robust, open, transparent process," he said.

An interim finding in a Federal Court challenge to the Muckaty proposal is expected to be announced later this month.

Mr Sweeney said the incident involving the semi-trailer transporting yellowcake from Ranger to Darwin for export showed that the ageing mine had "hit the point of diminished return and increased environmental impact in the world heritage-listed Kakadu park".

Energy Resources of Australia has announced plans to expand its operation at the mine despite being dogged by operational problems, including unresolved seepage from the tailings dam and delays in establishing methods to handle contaminated water.

"ERA should not be permitted to prolong this unacceptable situation by constructing a new mine tunnel or fast-tracking the unproven and polluting acid-heap-leach method of processing waste rock," Mr Sweeney said.

ERA denied there was any risk of spill from the bogged semi-trailer.
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Reply #65 - Jul 26th, 2017 at 9:23am
 
And the actual radioactivity in Kakadu? Don’t know? Then just say so.
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Reply #66 - Jul 26th, 2017 at 9:31am
 
There have been at least 150 leaks, spills and licence breaches at the Ranger Uranium Mine between 1981 and 2009


As of March 2009, the Ranger uranium mine is leaking
100,000 litres of contaminated water into the ground beneath the Kakadu National Park every day,
according to a government appointed scientist. Energy Resources of Australia has been repeatedly warned about its management of the mine.


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Kakadu mine operations suspended after 1.5 million litre uranium spill

KATINA VANGOPOULOS, NT News
December 9, 2013 12:00am

PROCESSING operations at the Ranger Uranium Mine have been stopped by a government taskforce until they complete a full investigation into Saturday's radioactive spill incident.
A joint taskforce led by the Northern Territory Government will include assistance from the Department of Mines and Energy (DME), Northern Territory WorkSafe, the Australian Government Department of Industry and the Australian Government Supervising Scientist Division.
The spill, of up to
1.5 million litres,
came from a failed leach tank about 1am on Saturday.


An Australian uranium expert says the acid mixed with the slurry that spilled from the tank is likely to be an even bigger concern than any radioactivity.

Energy Resources of Australia has reported the spill was contained by the mine's management system and would not impact Kakadu National Park.

However, Ms Peris said for the environment and local communities, enough was enough.

"All operations should cease and independent scrutiny should be applied to the mine's operations," she said.

"The office of the supervising scientist also needs to step up and make a contribution in this debate."

Backing concern from the Gundjeihmi Aboriginal Corporation and fellow senators, Ms Peris said the situation foreshadowed future occurrences.

"I am also concerned these sorts of spills and events are what would happen if we are forced to have the Muckaty nuclear waste dump imposed on us," she said.

ERA released a second statement yesterday that said all water-monitoring points had reported normal readings. Processing operations at the mine had stopped and clean-up operations were "well-advanced".

A spokesperson said ERA would commission a full investigation into the incident and was co-operating with Commonwealth and Territory regulators.

He said further announcements would be made once the full impact on operations was understood.

It is believed production could be shut down for months, affecting hundreds of employees.

ERA employs more than 500 people as a large contributor to the Alligator Rivers Region and Northern Territory economies.

Meanwhile, a uranium expert at the University of Adelaide told the ABC yesterday the slurry that spilled from the tank was likely to have a low level of radioactivity.

Professor Steven Lincoln said uranium ore was broken down when mixed with either sulphuric or nitric acid, as part of the uranium refining process.

He said it was the acid, rather than the uranium, that was the concern.

"So at this level, the radioactivity is not a worry," he said.

"The chemicals they used are more worrisome than the radioactivity. Sulphuric acid is a very strong acid, so it's something you keep very carefully under control."


You don't seem to appreciate the environmental impact of Uranium Mining itself Monk...  there are may problems, not just radioactivity, not just exploding nuclear reactors waste and dangerous waste takes many forms storage and transportation of all forms of this waste is very problematic.  And you want a dump as well...  in a country where much of its water is artesian. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
Once we lose 1 aquifer we are in very big trouble. Roll Eyes
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Reply #67 - Jul 26th, 2017 at 9:34am
 
And HM radioactivity is in Kakadu?

I have said way ^^^^^ that mines are often too slack with stuff like tailings and slimes dams. But you cannot give any evidence of higher than normal radioactivity in Kakadu

Any problems with Olympic Dam?

We cannot keep burning coal.

Renewables are intermittent in nature.

A mix of nuclear and renewables is best.
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Reply #68 - Jul 26th, 2017 at 9:35am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 9:23am:
And the actual radioactivity in Kakadu? Don’t know? Then just say so.

Why don't you tell me since you know everything?
I mean the information must be so easy to come by if you know it.

Your argument is spurious...  Kakadu is a very large area. That doesn't mean parts of it aren't seriously damaged or polluted.   I suggest you actually try reading what I've posted instead of wasting my time...

Once in the environment it will be there for a very long time and work its way into the water table and food cycle...  just Ranger has had 150 accidents...  and radioactivity is not the only issue, but hey...  you are a dope.  Your questions and strawmen prove that. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #69 - Jul 26th, 2017 at 9:40am
 
Then tell me about the parts that are seriously polluted.

But AGW is cooking the earth, we need to switch to non–emitting energy sources—renewables. Renewables are intermittent at heart—we need a non–intermittent energy source to back up renewables. Until fusion is commercialised that has to be fission.
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Reply #70 - Jul 26th, 2017 at 9:47am
 
Grendel wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 9:00am:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 11:07pm:
You already said that you guppy!

HM is left.

Is it concentrated or spread far and wide. HM made it out of Kakdu.


God, can’t you present complete information? No wonder you believe that stupid liar Dubyne.


Bobby makes a fair factual point and you have a rabid spray... Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Do leave off with your repetitive crap. Cheesy



Thanks Grendel ,
let Jovial go up there & make some measurements before
he drinks the water & eats the fish.
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Reply #71 - Jul 26th, 2017 at 9:54am
 
None of you have any info about HM radioactivity there is in Kakdu.

Since you are making such fuss about a spill I would have thought you would have done the follow up.

Booby waving his white flag as usual. No real evidence ever, eh Booby.

Ranger should not have been given the go ahead because of its location: tropical rain.

But the issue is not the accidents at one mine or another. Or the very few failures of nuclear reactors and the handful of deaths they caused.

The issue is that we are cooking the world with our carbon emissions and we have to urgently reduce them.

I suggest a mix of fission and renewables. Until fusion is commercialised.
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Reply #72 - Jul 26th, 2017 at 10:01am
 
Oh and before I forget...

The Great Artesian Basin...


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Reply #73 - Jul 26th, 2017 at 1:04pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 9:54am:
None of you have any info about HM radioactivity there is in Kakdu.

Since you are making such fuss about a spill I would have thought you would have done the follow up.

Booby waving his white flag as usual. No real evidence ever, eh Booby.

Ranger should not have been given the go ahead because of its location: tropical rain.

But the issue is not the accidents at one mine or another. Or the very few failures of nuclear reactors and the handful of deaths they caused.

The issue is that we are cooking the world with our carbon emissions and we have to urgently reduce them.

I suggest a mix of fission and renewables. Until fusion is commercialised.



I hath given unto thee much evidence.
You are exposed as a nuclear warrior.
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Reply #74 - Jul 26th, 2017 at 1:08pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 9:54am:
None of you have any info about HM radioactivity there is in Kakdu.

Since you are making such fuss about a spill I would have thought you would have done the follow up.

Booby waving his white flag as usual. No real evidence ever, eh Booby.

Ranger should not have been given the go ahead because of its location: tropical rain.

But the issue is not the accidents at one mine or another. Or the very few failures of nuclear reactors and the handful of deaths they caused.

The issue is that we are cooking the world with our carbon emissions and we have to urgently reduce them.

I suggest a mix of fission and renewables. Until fusion is commercialised.

You idiot how much do you need posted on problems accidents etc before YOU get it?

I expect you to post the information you demand of others in your strawman.

Come on do it... 
Oh what?  No measurements have ever been taken that address your strawman?  Really?
Well who'd have thunk it?
You are a proper goose. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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