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Reply #15 - Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:13am
 
Gordon wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:08am:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:02am:
Gordon wrote on Jul 23rd, 2017 at 6:30pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 23rd, 2017 at 6:18pm:
With airtravel common that may not be enough.

Spanish flu, that in 1919 killed more people than WWI could also come back.


The majority of deaths were due to secondary bacterial infections and pneumonia, which can be treated today.

Ah, sorry, didn’t see your post before. Do you have a link for me to read up?

But today, following decades of overprescription of antibiotics we have superbugs, antibiotic–resistant bacteria. There is a search for a totally different kind of antibiotic, not sure how close to success that is.

Then again, the old bugs brought back as the tundra thaws are not going to be superbugs I guess.


Just Google why was Spanish flu so deadly or something like that.

At present the bacteria that get into your lungs aren't antibiotic resistant and with modern  respiratory support many more would survive.

I'm not saying that a flu pandemic won't have a huge death toll but it's not an extinction event Smiley

Wasn’t talking about extinction events  Smiley
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Reply #16 - Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:19am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:08am:
It seems there are patches of tundra containing some of these old diseases. When they thaw the disease organisms could be blown about including to human settlements.

There was the case of the anthrax–riddled deer, died and the carcass frozen in the 40s, melted out recently and the anthrax spores got spread.

Don’t want to be “alarmist”  Roll Eyes about it but maybe we need vaccinations for some of these nasties? Smallpox is one said to be one such disease that could return and we have no vaccinations at all about it.



Again, I wonder how smallpox could return since its completely different from anthrax. I can buy anthrax coming back, but not smallpox unless in one event.
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Reply #17 - Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:21am
 
Sounds like I need to do some research  Smiley But I did see smallpox mentioned as an old disease that could come back.

But will check and report back.
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Reply #18 - Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:25am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:21am:
Sounds like I need to do some research  Smiley But I did see smallpox mentioned as an old disease that could come back.

But will check and report back.




Its difficult since essentially smallpox is a virus that only infects humans. There no zoonotic transmission.
There are two stocks of smallpox in the US and RUssia and both countries have resisted attempts to destroy the stocks.

However there has been some evidence to suggest that you could GE a smallpox virus
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Reply #19 - Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:29am
 
Found this article:

http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20170504-there-are-diseases-hidden-in-ice-and-the...

People in Siberia who died from small pox late 1800s buried beneath the top layer of permafrost on the bank of a river—river flooded recently. . .
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Reply #20 - Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:29am
 

Smallpox is one said to be one such disease that could return and we have no vaccinations at all about it.


I was vaccinated for small pox
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Reply #21 - Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:32am
 
But you are an old fart like me (I presume?)
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Reply #22 - Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:32am
 
miketrees wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:29am:
Smallpox is one said to be one such disease that could return and we have no vaccinations at all about it.


I was vaccinated for small pox




Oops missed that. Yes we have a vaccination for smallpox. Thats how it was declared eradicated.
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Reply #23 - Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:33am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:29am:
Found this article:

http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20170504-there-are-diseases-hidden-in-ice-and-the...

People in Siberia who died from small pox late 1800s buried beneath the top layer of permafrost on the bank of a river—river flooded recently. . .




But did the virus survive?
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Reply #24 - Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:36am
 
Seems only parts of the RNA were found. We may be lucky with this.
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Reply #25 - Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:39am
 


I cant remember when the smallpox vaccine was abandoned, probably the 80,s
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Reply #26 - Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:43am
 
From the article I linked above:

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Two years later, scientists managed to revive an 8-million-year-old bacterium that had been lying dormant in ice, beneath the surface of a glacier in the Beacon and Mullins valleys of Antarctica. In the same study, bacteria were also revived from ice that was over 100,000 years old.

However, not all bacteria can come back to life after being frozen in permafrost. Anthrax bacteria can do so because they form spores, which are extremely hardy and can survive frozen for longer than a century.

Other bacteria that can form spores, and so could survive in permafrost, include tetanus and Clostridium botulinum, the pathogen responsible for botulism: a rare illness that can cause paralysis and even prove fatal. Some fungi can also survive in permafrost for a long time.

Some viruses can also survive for lengthy periods.

In a 2014 study, a team led by Claverie revived two viruses that had been trapped in Siberian permafrost for 30,000 years. Known as Pithovirus sibericum and Mollivirus sibericum, they are both "giant viruses", because unlike most viruses they are so big they can be seen under a regular microscope. They were discovered 100ft underground in coastal tundra.

Once they were revived, the viruses quickly became infectious. Fortunately for us, these particular viruses only infect single-celled amoebas. Still, the study suggests that other viruses, which really could infect humans, might be revived in the same way.


So botulism could cause problems.
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Reply #27 - Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:46am
 
miketrees wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:39am:
I cant remember when the smallpox vaccine was abandoned, probably the 80,s



In Australia, AFAICR it was never used becuase we relied on quarantine and screening. But yes it was abandoned elsewhere in the 80s generally. I believe some healthcare officials at the CDC still get vaccinated.
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Reply #28 - Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:49am
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:25am:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:21am:
Sounds like I need to do some research  Smiley But I did see smallpox mentioned as an old disease that could come back.

But will check and report back.




Its difficult since essentially smallpox is a virus that only infects humans. There no zoonotic transmission.
There are two stocks of smallpox in the US and RUssia and both countries have resisted attempts to destroy the stocks.

However there has been some evidence to suggest that you could GE a smallpox virus



The smallpox vaccination is actually cow pox. Should be that hard to find and resurrect, but I doubt they got rid of the vaccination.
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Reply #29 - Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:50am
 
I got my childhood vaccinations in Holland, no idea if smallpox was included.
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