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Jul 23^rd, 2017 at 4:32pm

Seems the latest thing among bored middleclass idiots is to not have their kids vaccinated.

The obvious thing happened: measles outbreaks are now common. Phooey, childhood diseases antivaxxers cry. Yeah, childhood diseases that can scar, blind and kill children!

But I dread other, more dangerous diseases that may make a return.

One case buried somewhere in the Ice Age thread is the case of a deer in Siberia that died and was frozen. With global warming that deer thawed out—and anthrax got spread from the carcass! What other diseases might be stored in the thawing tundras and ice?

I can see smallpox making a return, polio maybe and anthrax as already stated.

Vaccinate your kids! Read up and talk to your doctor—you may need a booster!

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Re: Antivaxxers
Reply #1 - Jul 23^rd, 2017 at 4:45pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2017 at 4:32pm:

One case buried somewhere in the Ice Age thread is the case of a deer in Siberia that died and was frozen. With global warming that deer thawed out—and anthrax got spread from the carcass! What other diseases might be stored in the thawing tundras and ice?

Yep. And it was apparently a deer that died 70 years ago, in the last anthrax epidemic up there. It got covered and then uncovered. And the Russkies stopped the vaccinations.

The tundra was obviously not that deep 70 years ago. Kinda puts any current warming in perspective.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Antivaxxers Reply #2 - Jul 23^rd, 2017 at 4:47pm Yawn. But do we need to add anthrax and smallpox to present vaccinations?
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21541 Gender:	Re: Antivaxxers Reply #3 - Jul 23^rd, 2017 at 5:56pm Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2017 at 4:47pm: But do we need to add anthrax and smallpox to present vaccinations? It makes sense to reintroduce them t affected areas. Not worldwide.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Antivaxxers Reply #4 - Jul 23^rd, 2017 at 6:18pm With airtravel common that may not be enough. Spanish flu, that in 1919 killed more people than WWI could also come back.
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Gordon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21970 Gordon Gender:	Re: Antivaxxers Reply #5 - Jul 23^rd, 2017 at 6:30pm Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2017 at 6:18pm: With airtravel common that may not be enough. Spanish flu, that in 1919 killed more people than WWI could also come back. The majority of deaths were due to secondary bacterial infections and pneumonia, which can be treated today.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21541 Gender:	Re: Antivaxxers Reply #6 - Jul 23^rd, 2017 at 6:37pm Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2017 at 6:18pm: With airtravel common that may not be enough. What about if there was vaccination, say seven days, before exiting affected areas?
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Antivaxxers Reply #7 - Jul 23^rd, 2017 at 6:42pm Right, and nobody would be missed? No, if vaccinations are needed they should be done globally.
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Reply #8 - Jul 23^rd, 2017 at 7:29pm

The other aspect of the antivaxxers is “herd immunity.”

With more and more kids not vaccinated against all advice herd immunity suffers.

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Community Immunity ("Herd Immunity")
Vaccines can prevent outbreaks of disease and save lives.

When a critical portion of a community is immunized against a contagious disease, most members of the community are protected against that disease because there is little opportunity for an outbreak. Even those who are not eligible for certain vaccines—such as infants, pregnant women, or immunocompromised individuals—get some protection because the spread of contagious disease is contained. This is known as "community immunity."

The principle of community immunity applies to control of a variety of contagious diseases, including influenza, measles, mumps, rotavirus, and pneumococcal disease.

https://www.vaccines.gov/basics/protection/index.html

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21541 Gender:	Re: Antivaxxers Reply #9 - Jul 23^rd, 2017 at 8:05pm Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2017 at 6:42pm: Right, and nobody would be missed? No, if vaccinations are needed they should be done globally. If you required a travel document to travel externally, you would need a vaccination.
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Reply #10 - Jul 24^th, 2017 at 10:02am

Gordon wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2017 at 6:30pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2017 at 6:18pm:

With airtravel common that may not be enough.

Spanish flu, that in 1919 killed more people than WWI could also come back.

The majority of deaths were due to secondary bacterial infections and pneumonia, which can be treated today.

Ah, sorry, didn’t see your post before. Do you have a link for me to read up?

But today, following decades of overprescription of antibiotics we have superbugs, antibiotic–resistant bacteria. There is a search for a totally different kind of antibiotic, not sure how close to success that is.

Then again, the old bugs brought back as the tundra thaws are not going to be superbugs I guess.

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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Antivaxxers Reply #11 - Jul 24^th, 2017 at 10:03am lee wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2017 at 5:56pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2017 at 4:47pm: But do we need to add anthrax and smallpox to present vaccinations? It makes sense to reintroduce them t affected areas. Not worldwide. Where are the affected areas for smallpox?
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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Antivaxxers Reply #12 - Jul 24^th, 2017 at 10:04am Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2017 at 4:32pm: I can see smallpox making a return, polio maybe and anthrax as already stated. Just out of interest, how will smallpox make a return?
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Reply #13 - Jul 24^th, 2017 at 10:08am

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 24^th, 2017 at 10:02am:

Gordon wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2017 at 6:30pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2017 at 6:18pm:

With airtravel common that may not be enough.

Spanish flu, that in 1919 killed more people than WWI could also come back.

The majority of deaths were due to secondary bacterial infections and pneumonia, which can be treated today.

Ah, sorry, didn’t see your post before. Do you have a link for me to read up?

But today, following decades of overprescription of antibiotics we have superbugs, antibiotic–resistant bacteria. There is a search for a totally different kind of antibiotic, not sure how close to success that is.

Then again, the old bugs brought back as the tundra thaws are not going to be superbugs I guess.

Just Google why was Spanish flu so deadly or something like that.

At present the bacteria that get into your lungs aren't antibiotic resistant and with modern respiratory support many more would survive.

I'm not saying that a flu pandemic won't have a huge death toll but it's not an extinction event

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Reply #14 - Jul 24^th, 2017 at 10:08am

It seems there are patches of tundra containing some of these old diseases. When they thaw the disease organisms could be blown about including to human settlements.

There was the case of the anthrax–riddled deer, died and the carcass frozen in the 40s, melted out recently and the anthrax spores got spread.

Don’t want to be “alarmist” Roll Eyes

about it but maybe we need vaccinations for some of these nasties? Smallpox is one said to be one such disease that could return and we have no vaccinations at all about it.

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