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Re: The greenhouse effect
Reply #195 - Jul 25th, 2017 at 6:20pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 6:19pm:
Thank you, I am not a liar! Booby is always going on about his stupid videos being “Evidence” and if you are such a computer expert as you claim to be you can find it soon enough. So

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MONK...  LIAR!!!

Now post a quote to back up your claim or admit you are a liar.
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Reply #196 - Jul 25th, 2017 at 6:24pm
 
Go away roach.
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Reply #197 - Jul 25th, 2017 at 6:28pm
 
Just post a quote to back your claim up.
Or admit to lying and verballing...

I have noted your attempt to move the goalposts Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #198 - Jul 25th, 2017 at 6:30pm
 
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Reply #199 - Jul 25th, 2017 at 6:32pm
 
Sorry folks, blame Monk...

Grendel wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 6:28pm:
Just post a quote to back your claim up.
Or admit to lying and verballing...

I have noted your attempt to move the goalposts Grin Grin Grin

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Reply #200 - Jul 25th, 2017 at 6:34pm
 
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Reply #201 - Jul 25th, 2017 at 7:15pm
 
Grendel wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 6:32pm:
Sorry folks, blame Monk...

Grendel wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 6:28pm:
Just post a quote to back your claim up.
Or admit to lying and verballing...

I have noted your attempt to move the goalposts Grin Grin Grin


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Reply #202 - Jul 25th, 2017 at 7:21pm
 
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Re: The greenhouse effect
Reply #203 - Jul 27th, 2017 at 7:23pm
 
yawn....  not wearing me out Monkeyboy...

I can do this as long as you can.

Grendel wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 7:15pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 6:32pm:
Sorry folks, blame Monk...

Grendel wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 6:28pm:
Just post a quote to back your claim up.
Or admit to lying and verballing...

I have noted your attempt to move the goalposts Grin Grin Grin



Time for you to admit you lied, because you cant provide a quote that doesn't exist.

You made it all up in your head as per usual...  is that right? Grin
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Reply #204 - Jul 27th, 2017 at 7:41pm
 
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Reply #205 - Jul 27th, 2017 at 7:43pm
 
Gas molecules made of three or more atoms are “greenhouse gases” that are partially opaque to infrared radiation. IR has a wavelength a bit longer than light. We know the band of visible light can be subdivided into 7 sub-bands corresponding to the colors red, orange, yellow. . .violet and IR also stretches out over a band of wavelengths.

Radiation can be thought of as little packets of electromagnetic energy called a photon, or you can think of it as a ray but I will use the term photon. Now I will just use CO2 but CH4 and N2O etc works the same way. Let us write CO2 as OCO and the electric charge (density in the electron cloud) is distributed between the CO and the OC dipoles.

In the Relationships board, LarsenC thread the second post describes all this in more detail. Imagine an OCO molecule floating around when it absorbs (gets hit by) a photon at the OC or CO dipole. The OCO molecule is “excited” or made more energetic, spinning/vibrating at a more rapid rate but it cannot hold on to the energy and re-emits the photon a fraction of a second after absorbing it. By this time the dipole that re-emits the photon may be facing any direction and the IR photon can be re-emitted as likely downwards as upwards.

The photon may be absorbed by another and another molecule of one of the GHGs present in the atmosphere. Whatever IR got re-emitted downwards reaches the surface of the globe, strikes a molecule on the surface which is excited but being a solid or liquid strikes adjacent molecules and the energy of the photon is absorbed. The surface just got heated by the amount of the energy of that photon.

Now, you are thinking “this is rubbish, don’t believe it!” but studies of the IR spectrum from the ground show it receives more IR over time while studies from satellites show less IR reaching satellites over time. Over time more and more GHGs are present in the atmosphere, IR photons are absorbed/emitted more and more and more and more IR is absorbed by the surface.

Look at the Harries diagram. It shows that over a period of time less and less IR reaches as high as the satellite (the brightness temperature or blackbody temperature measured as IR brightness) and it even shows the two bands, the OC and the CO of CO2.

Watervapor, which we can write as H–O–H, is a three atom gaseous molecule and so, yup, is a GHG. It is usually called a reinforcer because, unlike CO2, CH4 etc its concentration varies as evaporation-precipitation (rain etc)–evaporation etc. CH4 is relatively shortlived but is much more constant than H2O, taking decades before it is oxidised to other compounds.

The theory and observation fits very well. Only Booby might say the global temperatures are declining but we know they are not. If 2018 is an El Nino year god knows what temperatures we see.
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Re: The greenhouse effect
Reply #206 - Jul 27th, 2017 at 7:56pm
 
Oh dear. Repetition. Are you trying to convince yourself?
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Reply #207 - Jul 27th, 2017 at 8:18pm
 
Diagram of the terrestrial study:

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The climatic impact of CO2 and other greenhouse gases is usually quantified in terms of radiative forcing1, calculated as the difference between estimates of the Earth’s radiation field from pre-industrial and present-day concentrations of these gases. Radiative transfer models calculate that the increase in CO2 since 1750 corresponds to a global annual-mean radiative forcing at the tropopause of 1.82 ± 0.19 W m−2 (ref. 2). However, despite widespread scientific discussion and modelling of the climate impacts of well-mixed greenhouse gases, there is little direct observational evidence of the radiative impact of increasing atmospheric CO2. Here we present observationally based evidence of clear-sky CO2 surface radiative forcing that is directly attributable to the increase, between 2000 and 2010, of 22 parts per million atmospheric CO2. The time series of this forcing at the two locations—the Southern Great Plains and the North Slope of Alaska—are derived from Atmospheric Emitted Radiance Interferometer spectra3 together with ancillary measurements and thoroughly corroborated radiative transfer calculations4. The time series both show statistically significant trends of 0.2 W m−2 per decade (with respective uncertainties of ±0.06 W m−2 per decade and ±0.07 W m−2 per decade) and have seasonal ranges of 0.1–0.2 W m−2. This is approximately ten per cent of the trend in downwelling longwave radiation5, 6, 7. These results confirm theoretical predictions of the atmospheric greenhouse effect due to anthropogenic emissions, and provide empirical evidence of how rising CO2 levels, mediated by temporal variations due to photosynthesis and respiration, are affecting the surface energy balance.


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Reply #208 - Jul 27th, 2017 at 9:41pm
 
Now convert to Kelvin.
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Reply #209 - Jul 28th, 2017 at 4:09pm
 
lee wrote on Jul 27th, 2017 at 9:41pm:
Now convert to Kelvin.

Instructions from the fake conservatives  Roll Eyes ...what did daddy do to poor lees?
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