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Reply #45 - Jul 9th, 2017 at 8:04pm
 
Ignorant, cowardly and rude.

You know nothing of climate or statistics etc.

Your “natural variability” is not a theory it is a way to pretend to yourself that AGW isn’t happening. Well, AGW is happening to suggest anything else is lunacy, like Booby and the ridiculous ice age crap.

Bye.
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Reply #46 - Jul 9th, 2017 at 9:08pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 9th, 2017 at 8:04pm:
Ignorant, cowardly and rude.

You know nothing of climate or statistics etc.



You mean like Tom Karl and the karlisation of sea surface temperatures? Had a significance of 0.1 when the norm is 0.01 to 0.05, if good. Wink

Like Zeke Hausfather's paper on sea surface temperture. Where he admits running the water through ships engine rooms warms the water; but the pristine buoy data puts a "cold bias" on the temperatures; so those need to be increased.

You take all these papers at face value, including Harries et al 2001, when it showed absolutely no temperature increase.

Scientists are supposed to be sceptical. You have shown yourself not to be.

If I am rude to you; good. It MAY lead you to examine those works you eschew.

You have NEVER admitted you were in error; and you have been. Now that is ignorance.

Have fun.
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Reply #47 - Jul 10th, 2017 at 12:08am
 
“Global Warming Primer” is interesting if a little bit basic.

But there are interesting snippets of info, like why a GHG has 3 or more molecules, hence H2O, CO2, CH4 and N2O but not the two main gases, N2 and O2. Ozone, O3, is therefor also a GHG. Different to the first four in what way?

Anybody know why the three+ atoms to make a GHG molecule? It was covered, sort of, in the discussions of IR being absorbed then re-emitted.
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Reply #48 - Jul 10th, 2017 at 11:49am
 
I'm thinking Monk is talking from the bottom of an Oak barrel somewhere.

Oh dear, well at least he didn't drown eh.

Hope this helps Monk...

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Reply #49 - Jul 10th, 2017 at 11:52am
 
I just know you are going to live this one Monk...

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Reply #50 - Jul 10th, 2017 at 12:03pm
 
This one is pretty...
pretty interesting.
http://imgur.com/QzV7x8E
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Reply #51 - Jul 10th, 2017 at 1:54pm
 
Grendel wrote on Jul 10th, 2017 at 12:03pm:
This one is pretty...
pretty interesting.
http://imgur.com/QzV7x8E

Is water vapour a gas?
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Reply #52 - Jul 10th, 2017 at 2:28pm
 
TheFunPolice wrote on Jul 10th, 2017 at 1:54pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 10th, 2017 at 12:03pm:
This one is pretty...
pretty interesting.
http://imgur.com/QzV7x8E

Is water vapour a gas?



Well wiki seems to think so; so it must be true. Wink

"Water vapor, water vapour or aqueous vapor is the gaseous phase of water."

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Reply #53 - Jul 10th, 2017 at 2:41pm
 
lee wrote on Jul 10th, 2017 at 2:28pm:
TheFunPolice wrote on Jul 10th, 2017 at 1:54pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 10th, 2017 at 12:03pm:
This one is pretty...
pretty interesting.
http://imgur.com/QzV7x8E

Is water vapour a gas?



Well wiki seems to think so; so it must be true. Wink

"Water vapor, water vapour or aqueous vapor is the gaseous phase of water."


What do you think?
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Reply #54 - Jul 10th, 2017 at 3:14pm
 
lol
and I thought Monk had problems...
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Water vapor is water in its gaseous state-instead of liquid or solid (ice). Water vapor is totally invisible. ... Water vapor is also the Earth's most important greenhouse gas, accounting for about 90% of the Earth's natural greenhouse effect, which helps keep the Earth warm enough to support life.


Now I have made that point before, but Monk ignored it or didn't understand it.  So I'm guessing there is no hope for Choo-choo.
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Reply #55 - Jul 10th, 2017 at 3:24pm
 
Ajax wrote on Jul 7th, 2017 at 5:32pm:
You poor sap, seriously............??

Don't waste your money on bullsh!t...!

How do they explain the zillion of other warm periods in our history............................?



You de man.

Everything in this universe travels in a wave motion.
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Reply #56 - Jul 11th, 2017 at 11:05am
 
lee wrote on Jul 9th, 2017 at 11:54am:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 9th, 2017 at 1:34am:
Figure 2: Change in spectrum from 1970 to 1996 due to trace gases. 'Brightness temperature' indicates equivalent blackbody temperature (Harries 2001).


That graph seems to show a decrease in temperature for CO2 in the lower IR and no increase in the temperature for CO2 in the upper IR.

From the paper -

"The bottom panel shows the difference of 1997 minus 1970.  In most places the difference is small, but in some wavenumber intervals the 1997 brightness temperatures are significantly less in 1997."

https://www.atmos.washington.edu/~dennis/321/Harries_Spectrum_2001.pdf

Another thing the citation on the graph says "Examples of IRIS and IMG observed and simulated for a three month average (April - June) over selected regions."

And we all know CO2 is stable in the atmosphere. Wink

So basically the graph shows no warming for CO2.


Title of the Harries et al paper:
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Increases in greenhouse forcing inferred from the outgoing longwave radiation spectra of the Earth in 1970 and 1997


Increases in greenhouse forcing
Can you read that, Lees? I can’t make it bigger.

So your quick, desperate glance at the Y axis has mislead you badly, hasn’t it? Or maybe not, you will twist anything so you don’t have to admit that AGW is happening. Poor you.
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Reply #57 - Jul 11th, 2017 at 11:10am
 
Now the conclusions of that paper—Lees has a bad habit of ignoring the conclusion reached by the authors of a study and quoting bits of the paper in dubious context—are:

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Our results provide direct experimental evidence for a significant increase in the Earth's greenhouse effect that is consistent with concerns over radiative forcing of climate.


Now, is that clear enough to the collective of fools, idiots and cowards here?

Greenhouse gases cause a greenhouse effect that is warming the earth!
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Reply #58 - Jul 11th, 2017 at 11:40am
 
Let us look in more detail at GHG concentrations and the radiative forcings they cause that are warming the earth.

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Source: http://ams.confex.com/ams/Annual2006/techprogram/paper_100737.htm
Reproduced in the SKS website. Lees will make much of this because it means he doesn’t have to think about the actual science.
Caption: Quote:
Spectrum of the greenhouse radiation measured at the surface. Greenhouse effect from water vapor is filtered out, showing the contributions of other greenhouse gases (Evans 2006).


So we see there is more radiance when looking up at the sky in the IR spectrum, IR reflected back to the surface of the earth by the greenhouse gases. There is no doubt about this. It IS difficult to detect this reflection down of IR because the atmosphere is full of all kinds of EM radiation.

Clearly: most of the energy being trapped in the atmosphere corresponds exactly to the wavelength of energy captured by CO2.

Somewhat easier to see from satellites.

Let us look at the heat from radiative forcings:
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Reply #59 - Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:12pm
 
Not only that, the globe has been heating while the sun has been relatively cool/quiescent:

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Sources: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata_v3/GLB.Ts+dSST.txt and http://www2.mps.mpg.de/projects/sun-climate/data/TSI.1610-2005.v005.dat and ftp://ftp.pmodwrc.ch/pub/data/irradiance/composite/DataPlots/

So, globe heats, sun cools.

Any explanation from the assemblage of fools, cowards and clowns here assembled?
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