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Reply #30 - Jun 28^th, 2017 at 3:21pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 11:52am:

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The doctor was being way too precious by half, and should have minded his own business.

It's just not realistic to suppose that someone smoking a cigarette outside the entrance to the hospital is doing something that will have a lethal effect upon people coming and going from the hospital.

It was evidence of chronic bed-wetting that he didn't apply a little rational thought to the situation.

Sad, but was an own-goal. Probably off to the crematorium now to do some smoking of his own.

The moral of the story is: Don't get above your station in life and start dictating what others should do in a free society.

Bullshit

If you're a violent thug who can't operate in a free society without getting all punchy, then it's off to jail for you.

This guy - with the usual collection of full-of-himself ego-selfies and rap-signs - is the one who "got above his station". This violent, stuck up, precious, egotistical little know-nothing uneducated scumbag deserves to die in jail - end of story.

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Reply #31 - Jun 28^th, 2017 at 3:29pm

Stig wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 3:21pm:

Bullshit

If you're a violent thug who can't operate in a free society without getting all punchy, then it's off to jail for you.

This guy - with the usual collection of full-of-himself ego-selfies and rap-signs - is the one who "got above his station". This violent, stuck up, precious, egotistical little know-nothing uneducated scumbag deserves to die in jail - end of story.

You've convinced me.

Well done.

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Reply #32 - Jun 28^th, 2017 at 3:30pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 3:12pm:

smoking doesn't account for even a single day off from work per year.

"Studies in the United States, Finland and Sweden confirm that smokers take more sick leave than non-smokers."

"The Finnish study found that smoking and obesity were the two health-related behaviours most associated with sick leave; 16.4% of self-certified absences in men and 10.3% in women were due to smoking.

"One of the US studies, by Bunn and colleagues, measured unproductive time at work as well as sick leave. Between 2001 and 2005, more than 45 000 workers from 147 companies completed a Wellness Inventory, reporting on their smoking status, health conditions, and the number of days of work lost and hours they were unproductive due to these conditions.

"The average annual cost for lost productivity was about 70% higher for current smokers than non-smokers ($4430/year versus $2623/year). About 60% of the productivity losses for smokers were due to unproductive time at work."

http://www.tobaccoinaustralia.org.au/chapter-17-economics/17-2-the-costs-of-smok...

"Moreover, the data permit controls to be applied for a large number of influences thought to have some bearing on work attendance.

"Logit models of absence incidence over a two week period are estimated, and smoking is consistently found to have a large and significant impact on absence.

"This impact, however, is not consistent across the sexes. The probability of a male smoker being absent from work is estimated to be 66% greater than that for a male who has never smoked. For females, the corresponding figure is just 23%."

Smoking and absence from work: Australian evidence.

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Re: Sad, but the doctor was wrong to scold him.
Reply #33 - Jun 28^th, 2017 at 4:51pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 2:23pm:

Alinta wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 1:43pm:

"Eastern Health is totally tobacco-free. Under the Tobacco Act 1987 smoking is prohibited within four metres of an entrance to all Victorian public hospitals and registered community health centres. Smoking is not allowed in the buildings or on the grounds of any of our sites, including walkways, entrances and car parks."

All fag-arsed pretentious nonsense.

If smoking outdoors is so critical to public health, then why isn't smoking banned by government decree.

Why is Turnbull having a plebiscite on the sanctity of anal sex instead of asking the public to decide if smoking should be entirely banned as so many illicit drugs are?

It is at least, by a Government Decree as you so smugly put it, banned within 4 meters of the entrance of a hospital as legislated under Section 5RB - 2a of the TOBACCO ACT 1987.

And now you're being a complete whack job if you think Same Sex Marriage is only about gay anal sex... You've lost this one champ.

Being a right wing lunatic can only get you so far. That said, you can bet if the Government was able to tax "gay anal sex" in the context of your warped mind, we would have had SSM decades ago.

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Reply #35 - Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:03pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 2:53pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 2:32pm:

The relevance that has to the subject matter is what is pretentious.

It wasn't outdoors perse ... it was near the entrance to the foyer.

With doors constantly opening & closing ... or if open having a breeze blowing the stench & fumes into the foyer should not be happening.

Give me a break, you precious dears!

"Oh! I can smell some cigarette smoke! Quick! I'm wilting!

Another d1ckhead response.

I like having a few beers how would you like it if I decided that to rid myself of the after affects I p1ssed all over you in your clothes .. just so you can smell it for a while after the event like ... huh ... how would you?

Ferkin smokers have no right to invade my space or anyone else with their residue ....

& vehicle emissions have no relevance.

Like I asked previously are you just baiting bs for the hell of it or have you a biased axe to grind because you're a smoker?

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Reply #36 - Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:05pm

Gnads wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:03pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 2:53pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 2:32pm:

The relevance that has to the subject matter is what is pretentious.

It wasn't outdoors perse ... it was near the entrance to the foyer.

With doors constantly opening & closing ... or if open having a breeze blowing the stench & fumes into the foyer should not be happening.

Give me a break, you precious dears!

"Oh! I can smell some cigarette smoke! Quick! I'm wilting!

Another d1ckhead response.

I like having a few beers how would you like it if I decided that to rid myself of the after affects I p1ssed all over you in your clothes .. just so you can smell it for a while after the event like ... huh ... how would you?

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Reply #37 - Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:12pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 3:12pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 2:44pm:

I confess I was wearing spurs while I wrote it.

Smoking use to be described as "The working man's pleasure".
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I thought that was having a beer

Wrong. It was smoking. You could smoke at work but you couldn't drink beer.

Alcohol consumption by FAR out-ranks smoking as the greatest financial liability upon the government's medical and welfare systems, and is the cause of gazillions of lost working hours whereas smoking doesn't account for even a single day off from work per year.

I don't like the preachy, finger-wagging, moral pretentiousness of the hypocrites who personally subscribe to the alcohol industry whilst at the same time presuming to look down their noses at someone having a quiet smoke in the open air.

It ain't in the open air when it impacts other people.

That's a point that seems to escape you.

Even in venues that provide Designated Smoking Areas, the patrons open doors on entry & exit bringing with them back into the general venue the stench & fumes from the area they smoke in.

Are you a smoker Herb?

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Reply #38 - Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:24pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 3:30pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 3:12pm:

smoking doesn't account for even a single day off from work per year.

"Studies in the United States, Finland and Sweden confirm that smokers take more sick leave than non-smokers."

"The Finnish study found that smoking and obesity were the two health-related behaviours most associated with sick leave; 16.4% of self-certified absences in men and 10.3% in women were due to smoking.

"One of the US studies, by Bunn and colleagues, measured unproductive time at work as well as sick leave. Between 2001 and 2005, more than 45 000 workers from 147 companies completed a Wellness Inventory, reporting on their smoking status, health conditions, and the number of days of work lost and hours they were unproductive due to these conditions.

"The average annual cost for lost productivity was about 70% higher for current smokers than non-smokers ($4430/year versus $2623/year). About 60% of the productivity losses for smokers were due to unproductive time at work."

http://www.tobaccoinaustralia.org.au/chapter-17-economics/17-2-the-costs-of-smok...

"Moreover, the data permit controls to be applied for a large number of influences thought to have some bearing on work attendance.

"Logit models of absence incidence over a two week period are estimated, and smoking is consistently found to have a large and significant impact on absence.

"This impact, however, is not consistent across the sexes. The probability of a male smoker being absent from work is estimated to be 66% greater than that for a male who has never smoked. For females, the corresponding figure is just 23%."

Smoking and absence from work: Australian evidence.

Fabrications as all part of a government-sponsored anti-smoking campaign.

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Reply #39 - Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:26pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:24pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 3:30pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 3:12pm:

smoking doesn't account for even a single day off from work per year.

"Studies in the United States, Finland and Sweden confirm that smokers take more sick leave than non-smokers."

"The Finnish study found that smoking and obesity were the two health-related behaviours most associated with sick leave; 16.4% of self-certified absences in men and 10.3% in women were due to smoking.

"One of the US studies, by Bunn and colleagues, measured unproductive time at work as well as sick leave. Between 2001 and 2005, more than 45 000 workers from 147 companies completed a Wellness Inventory, reporting on their smoking status, health conditions, and the number of days of work lost and hours they were unproductive due to these conditions.

"The average annual cost for lost productivity was about 70% higher for current smokers than non-smokers ($4430/year versus $2623/year). About 60% of the productivity losses for smokers were due to unproductive time at work."

http://www.tobaccoinaustralia.org.au/chapter-17-economics/17-2-the-costs-of-smok...

"Moreover, the data permit controls to be applied for a large number of influences thought to have some bearing on work attendance.

"Logit models of absence incidence over a two week period are estimated, and smoking is consistently found to have a large and significant impact on absence.

"This impact, however, is not consistent across the sexes. The probability of a male smoker being absent from work is estimated to be 66% greater than that for a male who has never smoked. For females, the corresponding figure is just 23%."

Smoking and absence from work: Australian evidence.

Fabrications as all part of a government-sponsored anti-smoking campaign.

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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Sad, but the doctor was wrong to scold him. Reply #40 - Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:28pm Gnads wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:12pm: Are you a smoker Herb? I gave up smoking 20 years ago because the cost of cigarettes had become prohibitive. My health has suffered ever since.
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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6490 Gender:	Re: Sad, but the doctor was wrong to scold him. Reply #41 - Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:29pm In Darwin at the moment and this is Bogan central for smokers, you cant sit anywhere for a meal without smoke permeating in and ruining your meal. I think smokers who smoke in public should be tazered. We should have special rooms with chemical filters, the only place smokers can smoke.
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Reply #42 - Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:32pm

miketrees wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:29pm:

In Darwin at the moment and this is Bogan central for smokers, you cant sit anywhere for a meal without smoke permeating in and ruining your meal.

I think smokers who smoke in public should be tazered.

We should have special rooms with chemical filters, the only place smokers can smoke.

I like the taser idea.

The one thing that bugs me about my beloved Slovenia and Austria is the smoking.

They smoke everywhere.

In restaurants, bars, cafes, shops.

Disgusting.

Hopefully that'll change soon.

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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6490 Gender:	Re: Sad, but the doctor was wrong to scold him. Reply #44 - Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:35pm The poll needed an "I,m a Fvckwit and I still smoke" option
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Poll
Question: Are you a smoker
Yes, still smoke 2 (22.2%) Gave up recently. 1 (11.1%) Gave up 10 yrs ago 0 (0.0%) Gave up 15 years ago 0 (0.0%) Gave up 20 yrs ago 2 (22.2%) Gave up more than 20 yrs ago 4 (44.4%) Total votes: 9 « Created by: Lord Herbert on: Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:33pm »