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Reply #240 - Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:36pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:24pm:

Alinta wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:22pm:

Another report FYI....

https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/06/26/armed-intruders-allegedly-order-homeown...

Thanks for that.

16 pages of gweggylikesbuggery defending these armed robbers.

It was self defence, case closed.

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Reply #241 - Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:36pm

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:00pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 5:59pm:

But not for our residence numpties, greeg and the unfocused, they watch a blurry video and they know to an absolute certainty what went on.

What evidence do you have to support your claim that they were burglars?

I'm (very) curious.

What's was that BigHole? I didn't hear you.

What evidence do you have to support your claim that they were burglars?

If you are not going to answer my questions why the fkk would think I would answer yours fkkhead?

Fkk you're too stupid to even understand what the word valid means, you are fkking joke.

What evidence do you have to support your claim that they were burglars?

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Reply #242 - Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:37pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:24pm:

Alinta wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:22pm:

Another report FYI....

https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/06/26/armed-intruders-allegedly-order-homeown...

Thanks for that.

defending these armed robbers.

What evidence do you have to support your claim that they were robbers?

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Re: Shoots and kills two would-be burglars ...
Reply #243 - Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:44pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:24pm:

Alinta wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:22pm:

Another report FYI....

https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/06/26/armed-intruders-allegedly-order-homeown...

Thanks for that.

16 pages of gweggylikesbuggery defending these armed robbers.

It was self defence, case closed.

16 pages of idiotic trolling from gweggylikesbuggery, it's amusing how he has frittered away days posting in this thread it's clear the tool doesn't have a job or a life.
Grin

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Re: Shoots and kills two would-be burglars ...
Reply #244 - Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:45pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:24pm:

Alinta wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:22pm:

Another report FYI....

https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/06/26/armed-intruders-allegedly-order-homeown...

Thanks for that.

16 pages of gweggylikesbuggery defending these armed robbers.

It was self defence, case closed.

I'm certainly not defending anyone.
My view is that police writing it off as self defence at this stage is premature.

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Reply #245 - Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:46pm

Alinta wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:45pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:24pm:

Alinta wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:22pm:

Another report FYI....

https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/06/26/armed-intruders-allegedly-order-homeown...

Thanks for that.

16 pages of gweggylikesbuggery defending these armed robbers.

It was self defence, case closed.

I'm certainly not defending anyone.
My view is that police writing it off as self defence at this stage is premature.

The situation is clear cut as is Californian law.

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Reply #246 - Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:47pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:36pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:00pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 5:59pm:

But not for our residence numpties, greeg and the unfocused, they watch a blurry video and they know to an absolute certainty what went on.

What evidence do you have to support your claim that they were burglars?

I'm (very) curious.

What's was that BigHole? I didn't hear you.

What evidence do you have to support your claim that they were burglars?

If you are not going to answer my questions why the fkk would think I would answer yours fkkhead?

Fkk you're too stupid to even understand what the word valid means, you are fkking joke.

What evidence do you have to support your claim that they were burglars?

What evidence you have they were shot in the back?

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Re: Shoots and kills two would-be burglars ...
Reply #247 - Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:50pm

Alinta wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:45pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:24pm:

Alinta wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:22pm:

Another report FYI....

https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/06/26/armed-intruders-allegedly-order-homeown...

Thanks for that.

16 pages of gweggylikesbuggery defending these armed robbers.

It was self defence, case closed.

I'm certainly not defending anyone.
My view is that police writing it off as self defence at this stage is premature.

That's the way it is in the USA, if you're armed and trespassing the homeowner can shoot you.

The only thing that concerns me is the guy must have had a pea shooter, if he had a .357 magnum they would have been picking up dead bodies from his garage floor.
Perhaps he should get a bigger gun.

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Re: Shoots and kills two would-be burglars ...
Reply #248 - Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:54pm

rhino wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:46pm:

Alinta wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:45pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:24pm:

Alinta wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:22pm:

Another report FYI....

https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/06/26/armed-intruders-allegedly-order-homeown...

Thanks for that.

16 pages of gweggylikesbuggery defending these armed robbers.

It was self defence, case closed.

I'm certainly not defending anyone.
My view is that police writing it off as self defence at this stage is premature.

The situation is clear cut as is Californian law.

Tell me more Rhino, as my only interest in this topic is law related.

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Re: Shoots and kills two would-be burglars ...
Reply #249 - Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:57pm

Alinta wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:54pm:

rhino wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:46pm:

Alinta wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:45pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:24pm:

Alinta wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:22pm:

Another report FYI....

https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/06/26/armed-intruders-allegedly-order-homeown...

Thanks for that.

16 pages of gweggylikesbuggery defending these armed robbers.

It was self defence, case closed.

I'm certainly not defending anyone.
My view is that police writing it off as self defence at this stage is premature.

The situation is clear cut as is Californian law.

Tell me more Rhino, as my only interest in this topic is law related.

https://www.wklaw.com/california-self-defense-laws/
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California’s “Castle Doctrine” (PC Section 198.5)
Although California does not specifically have a “stand-your-ground” law, the Castle Doctrine is similar. Under Penal Code Section 198.5, you are allowed to use deadly force within your own home if you have a “reasonable fear of imminent peril or great bodily injury.”

If someone forces his or her way into your home unlawfully, a few things must occur to justify using deadly force:

You knew or had reason to believe the person entered your home unlawfully;
The intruder was acting unlawfully (not a police officer who was doing their job);
There was a reasonable fear of death or injury to you, a family member or another member of the household; and
You or the occupants of your home did not provoke the intruder in any way.

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Re: Shoots and kills two would-be burglars ...
Reply #250 - Jun 28^th, 2017 at 7:01pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:50pm:

Alinta wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:45pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:24pm:

Alinta wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:22pm:

Another report FYI....

https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/06/26/armed-intruders-allegedly-order-homeown...

Thanks for that.

16 pages of gweggylikesbuggery defending these armed robbers.

It was self defence, case closed.

I'm certainly not defending anyone.
My view is that police writing it off as self defence at this stage is premature.

That's the way it is in the USA, if you're armed and trespassing the homeowner can shoot you.

Were they trespassing?

If so, where's your evidence?

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Reply #251 - Jun 28^th, 2017 at 7:01pm

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:47pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:36pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:00pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 5:59pm:

But not for our residence numpties, greeg and the unfocused, they watch a blurry video and they know to an absolute certainty what went on.

What evidence do you have to support your claim that they were burglars?

I'm (very) curious.

What's was that BigHole? I didn't hear you.

What evidence do you have to support your claim that they were burglars?

If you are not going to answer my questions why the fkk would think I would answer yours fkkhead?

Fkk you're too stupid to even understand what the word valid means, you are fkking joke.

What evidence do you have to support your claim that they were burglars?

What evidence you have they were shot in the back?

What evidence do you have to support your claim that they were burglars?

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Re: Shoots and kills two would-be burglars ...
Reply #252 - Jun 28^th, 2017 at 7:03pm

Alinta wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:45pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:24pm:

Alinta wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:22pm:

Another report FYI....

https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/06/26/armed-intruders-allegedly-order-homeown...

Thanks for that.

16 pages of gweggylikesbuggery defending these armed robbers.

It was self defence, case closed.

I'm certainly not defending anyone.
My view is that police writing it off as self defence at this stage is premature.

Indeed.

Investigations are continuing, though.

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Re: Shoots and kills two would-be burglars ...
Reply #253 - Jun 28^th, 2017 at 7:13pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 7:01pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:50pm:

Alinta wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:45pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:24pm:

Alinta wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:22pm:

Another report FYI....

https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/06/26/armed-intruders-allegedly-order-homeown...

Thanks for that.

16 pages of gweggylikesbuggery defending these armed robbers.

It was self defence, case closed.

I'm certainly not defending anyone.
My view is that police writing it off as self defence at this stage is premature.

That's the way it is in the USA, if you're armed and trespassing the homeowner can shoot you.

Were they trespassing?

If so, where's your evidence?

Nobody cares what you think little pecca, the police have investigated they said it was a case of self defence so case closed.

No amount of whining from a delusional person like you is going to make the police change their mind.

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Re: Shoots and kills two would-be burglars ...
Reply #254 - Jun 28^th, 2017 at 7:16pm

rhino wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:57pm:

Alinta wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:54pm:

rhino wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:46pm:

Alinta wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:45pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:24pm:

Alinta wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:22pm:

Another report FYI....

https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/06/26/armed-intruders-allegedly-order-homeown...

Thanks for that.

16 pages of gweggylikesbuggery defending these armed robbers.

It was self defence, case closed.

I'm certainly not defending anyone.
My view is that police writing it off as self defence at this stage is premature.

The situation is clear cut as is Californian law.

Tell me more Rhino, as my only interest in this topic is law related.

https://www.wklaw.com/california-self-defense-laws/
Quote:

California’s “Castle Doctrine” (PC Section 198.5)
Although California does not specifically have a “stand-your-ground” law, the Castle Doctrine is similar. Under Penal Code Section 198.5, you are allowed to use deadly force within your own home if you have a “reasonable fear of imminent peril or great bodily injury.”

If someone forces his or her way into your home unlawfully, a few things must occur to justify using deadly force:

You knew or had reason to believe the person entered your home unlawfully;
The intruder was acting unlawfully (not a police officer who was doing their job);
There was a reasonable fear of death or injury to you, a family member or another member of the household; and
You or the occupants of your home did not provoke the intruder in any way.

The part I've highlighted is the sticking point for me.

Forensic/autopsy evidence to prove where the fatal shots were fired, to me, is critical to self defence. If inside the garage, I understand the owner reacted to an imminent threat of peril and great injury and I take no issue with self defence at that stage.

However, the imminent threat had passed once the intruders ran off and I'm far from persuaded the shots fired at that stage accord with self defence.

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