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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Re: Electricity Bills Are Going Through The Roof Reply #30 - Jun 9^th, 2017 at 7:00pm Carbon tax ... Bad 550 savings per year , awesome Not delivered , still awesome 650 buck increase , ..... Silence
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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Re: Electricity Bills Are Going Through The Roof Reply #31 - Jun 9^th, 2017 at 7:01pm Bum sore rtards
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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Re: Electricity Bills Are Going Through The Roof Reply #32 - Jun 9^th, 2017 at 7:23pm If 550 bucks is bad , but you will get it back , what is 650 bucks , you won't get back ?
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Reply #33 - Jun 9^th, 2017 at 7:25pm

Unforgiven wrote on Jun 9^th, 2017 at 11:37am:

juliar wrote on Jun 9^th, 2017 at 11:24am:

Unforgiven,

until you or someone else has ACTUALLY tried to live long term disconnected from the mains then you are talking thru your hat.

What do you do when there is a week of overcast rainy climate and your Tesla batteries are flatter than a frog on a freeway ?

Get out the bicycle generator ? The Honda generator ?

You realize of course, being highly technically aware, that running your fridge or washing machine with low voltage can and will burn out the electric motor ? A brownout.

But these things don't bother the inner city Greenies connected to the mains and NBN internet feeding on the waffle on the Greenie Propaganda Web Sites.

Now wait for the Lefties to rush in and take the bait like hungry trout.

Modern electronic control systems don't allow the power supply system to operate at low voltage.

Juliar has very little zero understanding of power systems.

Fixed

Furthermore, fuel cell technology is improving and microturbines as small as 3 kW are becoming commercially available.

When waste heat is used, the thermal efficiency of these systems starts to approach 80%.

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Very funny Scotty, now beam down my clothes.

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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6490 Gender:	Re: Electricity Bills Are Going Through The Roof Reply #34 - Jun 9^th, 2017 at 7:27pm Domestic power prices are not even a blip on my radar. It must be horrid to be a scummy leftwing person.
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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Re: Electricity Bills Are Going Through The Roof Reply #35 - Jun 9^th, 2017 at 7:38pm miketrees wrote on Jun 9^th, 2017 at 7:27pm: Domestic power prices are not even a blip on my radar. It must be horrid to be a scummy leftwing person. That is one rtard that backed carbon pricing
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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Re: Electricity Bills Are Going Through The Roof Reply #36 - Jun 9^th, 2017 at 7:38pm Who's next ?
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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Re: Electricity Bills Are Going Through The Roof Reply #37 - Jun 9^th, 2017 at 7:39pm Enjoying your solar power Mike , I sure am
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Reply #38 - Jun 9^th, 2017 at 7:41pm

juliar wrote on Jun 9^th, 2017 at 5:25pm:

Oh Gee now the rain is coming in thru the whole in the roof!!!!!

One nose croc means well but the very hi cost of HV DC would NEVER be justified for the tiny mouse power output of solar and windymills.

Doesn't everybody have just one nose.

Can U just imagine the absolute absurdity of a very expensive HV DC system being connected to a tiny mouse power solar system at nite ?

Sounds like the fantasy stuff you see on the Greenie Propaganda Web sites.

Progressive countries all around the world are rushing into totally reliable Clean Coal Power Stations which provide endless cheap power for industry.

How many inner city Greenies have solar panels ?

Give it up Jules. Your profound lack of knowledge in this area may be transparent to some but to experts like me it is obvious.

There are already a considerable number of very large HVDC installation around the globe including our own back yard. The 6400 MW system is around three times the capacity of the largest plant's production in this country.

The Basslink system linking Lou Yang to Tassie is over 400 kms carrying 500 MW. Hardly tiny. The world list is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_HVDC_projects

Even the sheep shaggers over the ditch are outdoing us with the Benmore link running 600 kms carrying 735 MW.

As for cost, why run three cables when you can run two. Absolute immunity to reactive loads.

The good ol' sun lands 1100 W per m^2. A square km 1100 MW. Hardly mouse power. Distribution and wide area are the keys. It might be raining in Kickatinalong but not somewhere else.

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Very funny Scotty, now beam down my clothes.

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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Re: Electricity Bills Are Going Through The Roof Reply #39 - Jun 9^th, 2017 at 8:09pm JuLiar , if 550 bucks is a burden on families , what is 660 bucks ?
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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Re: Electricity Bills Are Going Through The Roof Reply #40 - Jun 9^th, 2017 at 8:17pm JuLiar , you were protesting a 15% rise in power prices in WA but are silent on a 30% rise for the rest of Australia , why is that ?
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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Re: Electricity Bills Are Going Through The Roof Reply #41 - Jun 9^th, 2017 at 8:17pm JuLiar ? It isn't a hard question
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Reply #42 - Jun 9^th, 2017 at 8:22pm

croc old chap all luverly propaganda stuff but you still don't seem to grasp that these HV DC systems are jolly expensive and are only used for high capacity power transfer.

A solar system or windymills are unreliable very low power and would NEVER justify the expense of a HV DC system.

There would not be a single windymill anywhere if the govt was not subsidizing them as they are a dead loss financially and most Wind Companies make a loss.

See it depends on whether you want a heavy duty power system that can support heavy industry like aluminium smelters or do you want a light weight system that can barely support simple residential with the risk of brownouts and blackouts that can damage home appliances.

You probably have not grasped that the Greenies want to close down ALL heavy industry in Australia because they know that their solar and windymills can NEVER support any sort of heavy industry.

Fortunately our responsible govt realizes Greenie rubbish is just a waste of time and are going for real power in the clean coal power stations the same as many other countries are doing.

And solar and wind are most definitely NOT free as it costs heaps to capture them together with a high maintenance cost and a short equipment life and very poor unreliable output to boot.

In the years to come there will be heaps of abandoned out of warranty dust covered solar panels and broken down windymills left to rust and rot as they are not worth repairing. This is already happening overseas.

Sorry to destroy your rosy Greenie fantasy with nasty FACTS. And SA has already proven all this as they teeter from blackout to blackout.

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Reply #43 - Jun 9^th, 2017 at 8:27pm

juliar wrote on Jun 9^th, 2017 at 8:22pm:

croc old chap all luverly propaganda stuff but you still don't seem to grasp that these HV DC systems are jolly expensive and are only used for high capacity power transfer.

A solar system or windymills are unreliable very low power and would NEVER justify the expense of a HV DC system.

There would not be a single windymill anywhere if the govt was not subsidizing them as they are a dead loss financially and most Wind Companies make a loss.

See it depends on whether you want a heavy duty power system that can support heavy industry like aluminium smelters or do you want a light weight system that can barely support simple residential with the risk of brownouts and blackouts that can damage home appliances.

You probably have not grasped that the Greenies want to close down ALL heavy industry in Australia because they know that their solar and windymills can NEVER support any sort of heavy industry.

Fortunately our responsible govt realizes Greenie rubbish is just a waste of time and are going for real power in the clean coal power stations the same as many other countries are doing.

And solar and wind are most definitely NOT free as it costs heaps to capture them together with a high maintenance cost and a short equipment life and very poor unreliable output to boot.

In the years to come there will be heaps of abandoned out of warranty dust covered solar panels and broken down windymills left to rust and rot as they are not worth repairing. This is already happening overseas.

Sorry to destroy your rosy Greenie fantasy with nasty FACTS. And SA has already proven all this as they teeter from blackout to blackout.

You do know the aluminium smelters were shut down in NSW because coal couldn't keep up ? Of course you do , in an alternate reality Cheesy

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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Re: Electricity Bills Are Going Through The Roof Reply #44 - Jun 9^th, 2017 at 8:33pm If 550 bucks is a burden , what is 660 bucks juLiar ?
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