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Reply #75 - Jun 9^th, 2017 at 8:39pm

Tsk tsk tsk bwian... you are back-sliding again.
Your Dr of Divinity Certificate isn't worth the Cornflake box you cut it off.

Christianity is based on the teachings and life of Christ bwian. The New Testament covers that period... The Old Testament covers a period before Christ bwian, surely YOU know that. You and the atheists here have been told often enough bwian... wassup, amnesia or just being a lying hypocrite as per usual?

As for you being "decent" bwian, you seem to keep forgetting you are a lying hypocritical bigot. Cheesy

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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #76 - Jun 9^th, 2017 at 11:35pm

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Brian Ross wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 9:25pm:

moses wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 6:00pm:

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OK. So why then should Salman Rushdie go into hiding about a fatwa against him?

Because the fatwa was 100% aligned with the hate, torture and mass murder so prevalent in islamic doctrine.

Which doctrine was that? Shi'a or Sunni, Moses? Tsk, tsk. Shown up for the fool you really are... again. Roll Eyes

It's all Islam, Brian Munchausen. All Islam, all Koran, all Mohammed.

Same crap, same madness, different mad successor.

Always absolutely never ever.

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Reply #77 - Jun 10^th, 2017 at 4:23pm

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Both are parts of The Bible, are they not, Moses? Priests preach from both parts when it suits them. I've attended church and heard them taking chapter and verse from the Old Testament and according it equal weight with the New. Funny how you, among all Christians proclaim that the Old Testament is no longer valid when millions of Christians believe otherwise and proclaim it. Tsk, tsk, Moses. why do you persist with these porkie-pies?

Err no, you lie once again, the N.T. is specific in which parts of the O.T. it supercedes.

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I am? Where? Please provide a quote where I have supported Islamic atrocities, Moses. Look, here is a space for you to do it. Failure of course will indicate that once more you are telling porkie-pies about me. Tsk, tsk, isn't that breaking one of the 10 commandments?

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I look forward to reading it, Moses. I really do.

You have lied time and time again on this board, one of your favoured methods of lying to excuse islamic terrorism is: constantly and deliberately providing fallacious variants of Christian teachings as being as evil as the doctrine of islam.

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I am not defending Islamic Terrorism in the slightest, Moses. I am defending plain, ordinary, everyday, moderate Muslims and their interpretation of their religion which you are accusing because of their faith, commit or support Terrorism. Tsk, tsk. So much for loving the oppressed, hey, Moses? Tsk, tsk.

Yes you are.

The interpretation excuse is a lie muslims and their apologists use, to snivel around the fact that islam is riddled with teachings of hate, rape, torture and murder of innocent people.

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Ah, this is why there is always, somewhere, a Muslim hiding under their bed, right, Moses? This is why Islamic scholars are always reviewing their beliefs, the teachings of Mohammed and making sure they are correct and fit within the religion of Islam. This is why, at this moment there is an ongoing project to review the ahadiths in Turkey. Naughty Muslims to be doing exactly what you ask, hey, Moses? Tsk, tsk.

ahadiths in Turkey?

Another useless excuse.

The qur'an is the infallible unchangeable words of allah where the myriad of satanic exhortations exist, which are the root cause and motivation of all islamic terrorism.

Why aren't they looking there instead of pissing in each others pockets about ahadiths?

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They may be but the decent people like myself who aren't fighting a battle for Islam but against ignorance and bigotry as expressed in your Islamophobia? We are hopefully winning, rather than doing exactly what the Islamist Terrorists want us to do.

You're a full blown islamic terrorist supporter, your whining excuses verify this fact for all to see.

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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #78 - Jun 10^th, 2017 at 6:35pm

moses wrote on Jun 10^th, 2017 at 4:23pm:

Reply #74 - Yesterday at 6:52pm

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Both are parts of The Bible, are they not, Moses? Priests preach from both parts when it suits them. I've attended church and heard them taking chapter and verse from the Old Testament and according it equal weight with the New. Funny how you, among all Christians proclaim that the Old Testament is no longer valid when millions of Christians believe otherwise and proclaim it. Tsk, tsk, Moses. why do you persist with these porkie-pies?

Err no, you lie once again, the N.T. is specific in which parts of the O.T. it supercedes.

So, then, Moses, again I ask, when you make that claim, why does Christianity still include the Old Testament as a central part of The Bible and Christian teaching? You have never answered that, could it be because you know you can't without admitting that ALL Christian denominations utilise the Old Testament as part of their teachings. Roll Eyes

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I am? Where? Please provide a quote where I have supported Islamic atrocities, Moses. Look, here is a space for you to do it. Failure of course will indicate that once more you are telling porkie-pies about me. Tsk, tsk, isn't that breaking one of the 10 commandments?

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I look forward to reading it, Moses. I really do.

You have lied time and time again on this board, one of your favoured methods of lying to excuse islamic terrorism is: constantly and deliberately providing fallacious variants of Christian teachings as being as evil as the doctrine of islam.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, again you fail to provide an answer to a direct question.

Where is your proof, Moses that I support or excuse Islamic Terrorism? Mmm? Unable to find anything? How unsurprising. You're a liar, Moses and a hypocrite. I've argued with you using all my knowledge of Christian teachings and The Bible to prove you wrong, time and time again. I am unsure which church you belong to but its definitely not one of the mainstream ones. Is it Hill Song or another of the weird evangelical happy-clappy denominations? Roll Eyes

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I am not defending Islamic Terrorism in the slightest, Moses. I am defending plain, ordinary, everyday, moderate Muslims and their interpretation of their religion which you are accusing because of their faith, commit or support Terrorism. Tsk, tsk. So much for loving the oppressed, hey, Moses? Tsk, tsk.

Yes you are.

Then prove I am. Quote back to me where I have defended Islamist Terrorism. Tsk, tsk, more lies, Moses? Just 'cause I disagree with you does not mean I am automatically a defender of Terrorism. Roll Eyes

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The interpretation excuse is a lie muslims and their apologists use, to snivel around the fact that islam is riddled with teachings of hate, rape, torture and murder of innocent people.

Just as Christianity and it's teachings are. Just as nearly every religion is. The unbeliever, the infidel (a nice Christian word BTW), the other is not to be tolerated, ever. Doesn't matter if its Christianity, Islam, Hindu, Taoism, etc. Instead of just looking at your warped view of Islam, look at other religions and compare their beliefs and teachings, Moses. You might be surprised when you lift your head out of your little trench.

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Ah, this is why there is always, somewhere, a Muslim hiding under their bed, right, Moses? This is why Islamic scholars are always reviewing their beliefs, the teachings of Mohammed and making sure they are correct and fit within the religion of Islam. This is why, at this moment there is an ongoing project to review the ahadiths in Turkey. Naughty Muslims to be doing exactly what you ask, hey, Moses? Tsk, tsk.

ahadiths in Turkey?

Another useless excuse.

Nope. If you knew and understood Islam and it's belief structure you'd know how important the ahadiths are. Tsk, tsk, you are condemning something you don't even understand Moses on the basis of inadequate knowledge of it. Such a foolish man. Roll Eyes

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The qur'an is the infallible unchangeable words of allah where the myriad of satanic exhortations exist, which are the root cause and motivation of all islamic terrorism.

Why aren't they looking there instead of pissing in each others pockets about ahadiths?

Because the hadiths are the

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A hadith (/ˈhædɪθ/[1] or /hɑːˈdiːθ/;[2] Arabic: حديث‎‎ ḥadīth, plural: ahadith, أحاديث, ʼaḥādīth[3]) is one of various reports describing the words, actions, or habits of the Islamic prophet Muhammad.[3] The term comes from Arabic meaning a "report", "account" or "narrative". Hadith are second only to the Quran in developing Islamic jurisprudence,

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Many hadiths have, over the centuries been distorted (often deliberately), invented and lied about to further or make a point, Moses. Islam is partly based on them as they are used as examples of how Muslims should behave in a given situation.

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You're a full blown islamic terrorist supporter, your whining excuses verify this fact for all to see.

Really? We are yet to see you prove that claim. Roll Eyes

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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #79 - Jun 10^th, 2017 at 6:59pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 10^th, 2017 at 6:35pm:

Many hadiths have, over the centuries been distorted (often deliberately), invented and lied about to further or make a point, Moses. Islam is partly based on them as they are used as examples of how Muslims should behave in a given situation.

Your usual confusion about everything, Brian - hadiths are important but many are distorted.
There is no way to tell which one is which, therefore the ones that you agree with are true, the non-PC ones that the jihadists cite are distorted.
Islam is the most feminist and tolerant of religions because your mates said so. Islamic jihad has nothing to do with authentic Islam and anyone who says otherwise is an Islamophobe.
That is ALL there is to see in Islam.

And then yawn.

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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #80 - Jun 10^th, 2017 at 7:29pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 10^th, 2017 at 6:35pm:

Many hadiths have, over the centuries been distorted (often deliberately), invented and lied about to further or make a point, Moses. Islam is partly based on them as they are used as examples of how Muslims should behave in a given situation.

Frank wrote on Jun 10^th, 2017 at 6:59pm:

Your usual confusion about everything, Brian - hadiths are important but many are distorted.

There is no way to tell which one is which, therefore the ones that you agree with are true, [but] the non-PC ones that the jihadists cite are distorted.

Islam is the most feminist and tolerant of religions because your mates said so.

Islamic jihad has nothing to do with authentic Islam and anyone who says otherwise is an Islamophobe.

That is ALL there is to see in Islam.

And then yawn.

Yep.

That is as fair of a description of ISLAMIC apologists, as i have heard in a while.

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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #81 - Jun 10^th, 2017 at 8:54pm

Frank wrote on Jun 10^th, 2017 at 6:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 10^th, 2017 at 6:35pm:

Many hadiths have, over the centuries been distorted (often deliberately), invented and lied about to further or make a point, Moses. Islam is partly based on them as they are used as examples of how Muslims should behave in a given situation.

Your usual confusion about everything, Brian - hadiths are important but many are distorted.

So, you don't want the truth then, Soren, you'd prefer your Islamophobic lies? Tsk, tsk, that tells us so much about the way you think. Nothing is black and white, everything is shades of grey. Some Hadiths have been distorted, some are outright lies, some are truthful. Sorting them out is what the Turkish project is all about. Roll Eyes

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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #83 - Jun 11^th, 2017 at 1:55pm

Reply #78 - Yesterday at 6:35pm

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So, then, Moses, again I ask, when you make that claim, why does Christianity still include the Old Testament as a central part of The Bible and Christian teaching? You have never answered that, could it be because you know you can't without admitting that ALL Christian denominations utilise the Old Testament as part of their teachings

Because certain parts are still relevant, other parts have been supersceeded.

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me, again you fail to provide an answer to a direct question.

Where is your proof, Moses that I support or excuse Islamic Terrorism? Mmm? Unable to find anything? How unsurprising. You're a liar, Moses and a hypocrite. I've argued with you using all my knowledge of Christian teachings and The Bible to prove you wrong, time and time again. I am unsure which church you belong to but its definitely not one of the mainstream ones. Is it Hill Song or another of the weird evangelical happy-clappy denominations?

You're the proven liar of this board.

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Then prove I am. Quote back to me where I have defended Islamist Terrorism. Tsk, tsk, more lies, Moses? Just 'cause I disagree with you does not mean I am automatically a defender of Terrorism.

lying and making pathetic excuses for islamic terrorism, makes you a 100% islamic terrorist supporter.

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The interpretation excuse is a lie muslims and their apologists use, to snivel around the fact that islam is riddled with teachings of hate, rape, torture and murder of innocent people.

Brian Ross wrote:
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Just as Christianity and it's teachings are. Just as nearly every religion is. The unbeliever, the infidel (a nice Christian word BTW), the other is not to be tolerated, ever. Doesn't matter if its Christianity, Islam, Hindu, Taoism, etc. Instead of just looking at your warped view of Islam, look at other religions and compare their beliefs and teachings, Moses. You might be surprised when you lift your head out of your little trench.

Here is another prime example of your lies,

Give me one instance where Christian teachings of rape torture and mass murder are urged as Christian duties.

If you cannot I claim the right to call you a proven liar.

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Nope. If you knew and understood Islam and it's belief structure you'd know how important the ahadiths are. Tsk, tsk, you are condemning something you don't even understand Moses on the basis of inadequate knowledge of it. Such a foolish man

Many hadiths have, over the centuries been distorted (often deliberately), invented and lied about to further or make a point, Moses. Islam is partly based on them as they are used as examples of how Muslims should behave in a given situation.

Oh dear first it's know how important they are, then it's islam is partly based on them.

Which proves my point Of:

The hate verses of rape torture and mass murder in the evil qur'an are the prime cause and motivation of islamic atrocities around the globe. It is revered by every single muslim on this planet as the infallible unchangeable word of allah.

islam is based solely on the qur'an, the ahadiths are of much lower status than the qur'an.

So why are these lying muslims toying around with something which is of lesser value in the cult. The total and sole cause of islamic terrorism/atrocities against innocent men women and children is the book of perversion (the qur'an).

If these people were genuine they would look at the root cause e.g.: the depravity in the qur'an is responsible for islamic terrorism and degeneracies.

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Reply #84 - Jun 11^th, 2017 at 3:32pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 10^th, 2017 at 8:54pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 10^th, 2017 at 6:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 10^th, 2017 at 6:35pm:

Many hadiths have, over the centuries been distorted (often deliberately), invented and lied about to further or make a point, Moses. Islam is partly based on them as they are used as examples of how Muslims should behave in a given situation.

Your usual confusion about everything, Brian - hadiths are important but many are distorted.

So, you don't want the truth then, Soren, you'd prefer your Islamophobic lies? Tsk, tsk, that tells us so much about the way you think. Nothing is black and white, everything is shades of grey. Some Hadiths have been distorted, some are outright lies, some are truthful. Sorting them out is what the Turkish project is all about. Roll Eyes

SO

YOU

don't know which ones are true and which ones are lies, you stupid old kook, yet you always pretend that the PC ones are the true ones and the murderous jihadi one - the ones that have motivated Islamic action for years - are 'distortions'.

At least I don't treat Muslims as children but take them at their words and judge them by their actions and effects on the world.

If they SAY they are killing infidel women on London Bridge for Allah, I believe them. Jihadis KNOW what they are doing and they are doing it for Allah and Mohammed and the caliphate. They have been doing the exact same thing for years, for the exact same reasons.

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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #85 - Jun 11^th, 2017 at 5:41pm

moses wrote on Jun 11^th, 2017 at 1:55pm:

Reply #78 - Yesterday at 6:35pm

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So, then, Moses, again I ask, when you make that claim, why does Christianity still include the Old Testament as a central part of The Bible and Christian teaching? You have never answered that, could it be because you know you can't without admitting that ALL Christian denominations utilise the Old Testament as part of their teachings

Because certain parts are still relevant, other parts have been supersceeded.

Yet that is not made plain in the various Churches' sermons, that is not made in the Churches' lessons, Moses. There is no warning in The Bible that this part has been "superceeded". So, Christian fundamentalists reading the whole Bible, read the whole Old Testament along with the New. The result is they justify their Terrorism, their violence, their misogny, their homophobia, etc. through the teachings of the Old Testament. Something you keep claiming isn't valid but they claim is. When is Christianity going to address that, I ask? A question you continually ignore, in favour of attacking Islam and Muslims. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me, again you fail to provide an answer to a direct question.

Where is your proof, Moses that I support or excuse Islamic Terrorism? Mmm? Unable to find anything? How unsurprising. You're a liar, Moses and a hypocrite. I've argued with you using all my knowledge of Christian teachings and The Bible to prove you wrong, time and time again. I am unsure which church you belong to but its definitely not one of the mainstream ones. Is it Hill Song or another of the weird evangelical happy-clappy denominations?

You're the proven liar of this board.

Really? Where? When? By whom? Here is a space for you to provide a quote where I was proved to "knowingly told an untruth", Moses. Lets see it. Failure by you to provide will of course prove that you are the liar, not me:

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Then prove I am. Quote back to me where I have defended Islamist Terrorism. Tsk, tsk, more lies, Moses? Just 'cause I disagree with you does not mean I am automatically a defender of Terrorism.

lying and making pathetic excuses for islamic terrorism, makes you a 100% islamic terrorist supporter.

Does it? How. Because I don't believe all Muslims are Terrorists or supporters of Terrorists? Even Freediver agrees with that. Does that make him a "100% Islamic terrorist supporter"?

You seem to think in black and white terms, Moses. Didn't Christ teach you that the world is actually in shades of grey? Mmmm? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Just as Christianity and it's teachings are. Just as nearly every religion is. The unbeliever, the infidel (a nice Christian word BTW), the other is not to be tolerated, ever. Doesn't matter if its Christianity, Islam, Hindu, Taoism, etc. Instead of just looking at your warped view of Islam, look at other religions and compare their beliefs and teachings, Moses. You might be surprised when you lift your head out of your little trench.

Here is another prime example of your lies,

Give me one instance where Christian teachings of rape torture and mass murder are urged as Christian duties.

If you cannot I claim the right to call you a proven liar.
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Judges 5:30
Judges 21:10-24
Numbers 31:7-18
Deuteronomy 20:10-14
Deuteronomy 22:23-24
Deuteronomy 22:28-29
Exodus 21:7-11
Zechariah 14:1-2

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Oh dear first it's know how important they are, then it's islam is partly based on them.

Which proves my point Of:

The hate verses of rape torture and mass murder in the evil qur'an are the prime cause and motivation of islamic atrocities around the globe. It is revered by every single muslim on this planet as the infallible unchangeable word of allah.

islam is based solely on the qur'an, the ahadiths are of much lower status than the qur'an.

So why are these lying muslims toying around with something which is of lesser value in the cult. The total and sole cause of islamic terrorism/atrocities against innocent men women and children is the book of perversion (the qur'an).

If these people were genuine they would look at the root cause e.g.: the depravity in the qur'an is responsible for islamic terrorism and degeneracies.

And yet you remain silent on the barbarity, the murder, the rape, the pillage, the homophobia, the misogyny of The Bible, Moses. Everytime I talk about those things, you shrug them off, claiming they are all in The Old Testament and not the New. Some are, some aren't. Some are in the New, Moses. When you, as a Christian take responsibility for them and abrogate The Bible in it's totality, from The Old Testament to the New, you might have a basis on which to attack Islam and Muslims. Until then, piss off, you're just an Islamophobic Christian zealot. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Reply #86 - Jun 11^th, 2017 at 5:46pm

Frank wrote on Jun 11^th, 2017 at 3:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 10^th, 2017 at 8:54pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 10^th, 2017 at 6:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 10^th, 2017 at 6:35pm:

Many hadiths have, over the centuries been distorted (often deliberately), invented and lied about to further or make a point, Moses. Islam is partly based on them as they are used as examples of how Muslims should behave in a given situation.

Your usual confusion about everything, Brian - hadiths are important but many are distorted.

So, you don't want the truth then, Soren, you'd prefer your Islamophobic lies? Tsk, tsk, that tells us so much about the way you think. Nothing is black and white, everything is shades of grey. Some Hadiths have been distorted, some are outright lies, some are truthful. Sorting them out is what the Turkish project is all about. Roll Eyes

SO YOU[/size] don't know which ones are true and which ones are lies, you stupid old kook, yet you always pretend that the PC ones are the true ones and the murderous jihadi one - the ones that have motivated Islamic action for years - are 'distortions'.

At least I don't treat Muslims as children but take them at their words and judge them by their actions and effects on the world.

If they SAY they are killing infidel women on London Bridge for Allah, I believe them. Jihadis KNOW what they are doing and they are doing it for Allah and Mohammed and the caliphate. They have been doing the exact same thing for years, for the exact same reasons.

Soren, shouting now? Tsk, tsk, you really are being Islamophobic. You criticise Muslims for never reforming Islam and when I point that they are, you criticise them then for doing it! Appears that Muslims can never, ever win with you, because of your bigotry and your Islamophobia. Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Damned by your own words. You really do hate Muslims don't you? Is it because you were told scary stories about them when you were a child? They were the horrible people of your childhood, who lurked in the big, dark, enchanted wood and who would steal bad children away from their parents? How old are you? Roll Eyes

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Reply #87 - Jun 11^th, 2017 at 5:51pm

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Soren, shouting now? Tsk, tsk, you really are being Islamophobic. You criticise Muslims for never reforming Islam and when I point that they are, you criticise them then for doing it!

Are they reforming it? Where?

YOU defending Islam the its jihadists doctrines that lead directly to islamic terrorism is not Muslims reforming it.

Muslims ignoring Islam is not reforming it.

Muslims leaving Islam is not reforming it.

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Reply #88 - Jun 11^th, 2017 at 8:57pm

Frank wrote on Jun 11^th, 2017 at 5:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 11^th, 2017 at 5:46pm:

Soren, shouting now? Tsk, tsk, you really are being Islamophobic. You criticise Muslims for never reforming Islam and when I point that they are, you criticise them then for doing it!

Are they reforming it? Where?

Everywhere, Soren, everywhere. It is the nature of Islam that all Muslims must reform their own beliefs, there is no central authority to do it.

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YOU defending Islam the its jihadists doctrines that lead directly to islamic terrorism is not Muslims reforming it.

Where have I defended Islamist Terrorism, Soren? Where? Please quote it to me. Failure of course on your part to do so, will mean you've been proven to be a liar about what you believe I have done. So, where? Here is a space to quote it back to us:

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Muslims ignoring Islam is not reforming it.

Muslims leaving Islam is not reforming it.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Soren, it appears nothing will reform Islam the way you like except for Islam to become Christianity. I have news for you - it isn't going to happen the way you like. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Reply #89 - Jun 11^th, 2017 at 9:00pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 11^th, 2017 at 8:57pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 11^th, 2017 at 5:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 11^th, 2017 at 5:46pm:

Soren, shouting now? Tsk, tsk, you really are being Islamophobic. You criticise Muslims for never reforming Islam and when I point that they are, you criticise them then for doing it!

Are they reforming it? Where?

Everywhere, Soren, everywhere. It is the nature of Islam that all Muslims must reform their own beliefs, there is no central authority to do it.

Evidence of reformed Islam, please.

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