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Reply #60 - Jun 7^th, 2017 at 9:25pm

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OK. So why then should Salman Rushdie go into hiding about a fatwa against him?

Because the fatwa was 100% aligned with the hate, torture and mass murder so prevalent in islamic doctrine.

Which doctrine was that? Shi'a or Sunni, Moses? Tsk, tsk. Shown up for the fool you really are... again. Roll Eyes

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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #61 - Jun 7^th, 2017 at 9:35pm

Frank wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 6:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 5:52pm:

moses wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 5:26pm:

A fatwa against islamic terorism is worthless.

OK. So why then should Salman Rushdie go into hiding about a fatwa against him? Roll Eyes

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Terrorism is fully sanctioned and exhorted by allah, muhammad and the qur'an.

Oh, such simplistic understanding of the Islamic faith, Moses. Its a shame that all branches of Islamic thinking have declared Terrorism and suicide bombing as "unclean", now isn't it? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Not true at all. Muslims do it for Allah, nothing else. If there was no Islamic justification they wouldn't be yelling Allahu Akhbar.

Muslims generally listen to what the Imam's tell them, Soren. If the Imam says it's haram, it is forbidden. As the mainstream doctrines have agreed and issued a fatwa, it will decrease.

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Only Muslims act on a fatwah. Nobody else.

Really? And I thought the Lutherans did... Roll Eyes

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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #62 - Jun 7^th, 2017 at 9:36pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 9:25pm:

moses wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 6:00pm:

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OK. So why then should Salman Rushdie go into hiding about a fatwa against him?

Because the fatwa was 100% aligned with the hate, torture and mass murder so prevalent in islamic doctrine.

Which doctrine was that? Shi'a or Sunni, Moses? Tsk, tsk. Shown up for the fool you really are... again. Roll Eyes

It's all Islam, Brian Munchausen. All Islam, all Koran, all Mohammed.

Same crap, same madness, different mad successor.

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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #63 - Jun 7^th, 2017 at 9:46pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 9:35pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 6:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 5:52pm:

moses wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 5:26pm:

A fatwa against islamic terorism is worthless.

OK. So why then should Salman Rushdie go into hiding about a fatwa against him? Roll Eyes

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Terrorism is fully sanctioned and exhorted by allah, muhammad and the qur'an.

Oh, such simplistic understanding of the Islamic faith, Moses. Its a shame that all branches of Islamic thinking have declared Terrorism and suicide bombing as "unclean", now isn't it? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Not true at all. Muslims do it for Allah, nothing else. If there was no Islamic justification they wouldn't be yelling Allahu Akhbar.

Muslims generally listen to what the Imam's tell them, Soren. If the Imam says it's haram, it is forbidden. As the mainstream doctrines have agreed and issued a fatwa, it will decrease.

And who tells the imam what is right? Who IS the imam?
There are so many sketchy, random imams, what source of authority do they have?

Well, the Koran and Mohammed. The same evil roots to all Islamic doctrines.

You cannot be trusted in 2017 (or 817, for hat matter) if you believe in the Koran and Mohammed. It's just not sane or innocent. Might as well be a Waffen SS or a political commissar of the Soviet. Or an Inquisitor and witch burner. Or a pedophile and polygamist and torturer. It is just not an acceptable position in life in 2017 to take the Koran and Mohammed seriously.
But they do take these things seriously to heart.

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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #64 - Jun 7^th, 2017 at 11:13pm

Frank wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 9:36pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 9:25pm:

moses wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 6:00pm:

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OK. So why then should Salman Rushdie go into hiding about a fatwa against him?

Because the fatwa was 100% aligned with the hate, torture and mass murder so prevalent in islamic doctrine.

Which doctrine was that? Shi'a or Sunni, Moses? Tsk, tsk. Shown up for the fool you really are... again. Roll Eyes

It's all Islam, Brian Munchausen. All Islam, all Koran, all Mohammed.

Same crap, same madness, different mad successor.

Ah, the joys of Islamophobia, hey, Soren? All one monolithic group, all sharing exactly the same beliefs, lead by which Islamist leader this week, hey? God, you're a fool, your ignorant and you base your Islamophobia on that ignorance. Run along, Soren, I hear the school teacher calling you. I'm sure there are some grade ones you can terrorise in the school yard. Tsk, tsk. Who let you out with supervision? Roll Eyes

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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #65 - Jun 7^th, 2017 at 11:17pm

Frank wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 9:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 9:35pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 6:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 5:52pm:

moses wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 5:26pm:

A fatwa against islamic terorism is worthless.

OK. So why then should Salman Rushdie go into hiding about a fatwa against him? Roll Eyes

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Terrorism is fully sanctioned and exhorted by allah, muhammad and the qur'an.

Oh, such simplistic understanding of the Islamic faith, Moses. Its a shame that all branches of Islamic thinking have declared Terrorism and suicide bombing as "unclean", now isn't it? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Not true at all. Muslims do it for Allah, nothing else. If there was no Islamic justification they wouldn't be yelling Allahu Akhbar.

Muslims generally listen to what the Imam's tell them, Soren. If the Imam says it's haram, it is forbidden. As the mainstream doctrines have agreed and issued a fatwa, it will decrease.

And who tells the imam what is right? Who IS the imam?

Generally he's the least knowledgeable about the West but the most knowledgeable about the Koran in the congregation, he'll have good marks from his Madrassa and he'll have a beard. He also tends to dress traditionally but not always.

Got your eye on him yet, Soren? Roll Eyes

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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #66 - Jun 7^th, 2017 at 11:17pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 11:13pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 9:36pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 9:25pm:

moses wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 6:00pm:

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OK. So why then should Salman Rushdie go into hiding about a fatwa against him?

Because the fatwa was 100% aligned with the hate, torture and mass murder so prevalent in islamic doctrine.

Which doctrine was that? Shi'a or Sunni, Moses? Tsk, tsk. Shown up for the fool you really are... again. Roll Eyes

It's all Islam, Brian Munchausen. All Islam, all Koran, all Mohammed.

Same crap, same madness, different mad successor.

Ah, the joys of Islamophobia, hey, Soren? All one monolithic group, all sharing exactly the same beliefs, lead by which Islamist leader this week, hey? God, you're a fool, your ignorant and you base your Islamophobia on that ignorance. Run along, Soren, I hear the school teacher calling you. I'm sure there are some grade ones you can terrorise in the school yard. Tsk, tsk. Who let you out with supervision? Roll Eyes

How many different ways are there to believe that the Koran is god's unaletrable word and that Muhammed is the best of men, ever.
How ever many ways here are, they are all bad You can't be good and believe the above.

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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #67 - Jun 7^th, 2017 at 11:19pm

Frank wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 11:17pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 11:13pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 9:36pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 9:25pm:

moses wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 6:00pm:

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OK. So why then should Salman Rushdie go into hiding about a fatwa against him?

Because the fatwa was 100% aligned with the hate, torture and mass murder so prevalent in islamic doctrine.

Which doctrine was that? Shi'a or Sunni, Moses? Tsk, tsk. Shown up for the fool you really are... again. Roll Eyes

It's all Islam, Brian Munchausen. All Islam, all Koran, all Mohammed.

Same crap, same madness, different mad successor.

Ah, the joys of Islamophobia, hey, Soren? All one monolithic group, all sharing exactly the same beliefs, lead by which Islamist leader this week, hey? God, you're a fool, your ignorant and you base your Islamophobia on that ignorance. Run along, Soren, I hear the school teacher calling you. I'm sure there are some grade ones you can terrorise in the school yard. Tsk, tsk. Who let you out with supervision? Roll Eyes

How many different ways are there to believe that the Koran is god's unaletrable word and that Muhammed is the best of men, ever.
How ever many ways here are, they are all bad You can't be good and believe the above.

Run along, Soren, run along. Otherwise you'll be late for your next class in Islamophobia. Recess is over, little man. Roll Eyes

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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #68 - Jun 8^th, 2017 at 2:40pm

The local apologist for islamic terrorism wrote:

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Which doctrine was that? Shi'a or Sunni, Moses? Tsk, tsk. Shown up for the fool you really are... again.

There is only one qur'an which dictates the doctrine of islam.

The qur'an is unambiguous in its' commands to torture and murder non believers, hypocrites and corrupters.

It is a total lie by muslims and their apologists that a fatwa will over ride the commands of allah, teachings of muhammad, verses in the qur'an.

islamic terrorism is here to stay, until muslims have the moral courage to exhaustively inquire into the depraved evilness of allah, muhammad and the qur'an.

We all know that such a review would destroy islam in an instant, as islam cannot withstand an honest appraisal, islam is evil to the core.

So we have muslims and their apologists quiet happy with the status quo of bloodshed death and destruction we all witness today, the result of muslims following the qur'an to the letter.

The duo of malevolence (muslims/apologists), rather than bring the bloodshed to an end, prefer to keep coming up with all their stupid excuses.

However the world is slowly turning, its' only a matter of time, truth will win the day, muslims and their apologists will be defeated by honesty in the end.

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Reply #70 - Jun 8^th, 2017 at 3:37pm

Err moses wrote Quote:

There is only one qur'an which dictates the doctrine of islam.

The qur'an is unambiguous in its' commands to torture and murder non believers, hypocrites and corrupters.

It is a total lie by muslims and their apologists that a fatwa will over ride the commands of allah, teachings of muhammad, verses in the qur'an.

islamic terrorism is here to stay, until muslims have the moral courage to exhaustively inquire into the depraved evilness of allah, muhammad and the qur'an.

We all know that such a review would destroy islam in an instant, as islam cannot withstand an honest appraisal, islam is evil to the core.

So we have muslims and their apologists quiet happy with the status quo of bloodshed death and destruction we all witness today, the result of muslims following the qur'an to the letter.

The duo of malevolence (muslims/apologists), rather than bring the bloodshed to an end, prefer to keep coming up with all their stupid excuses.

However the world is slowly turning, its' only a matter of time, truth will win the day, muslims and their apologists will be defeated by honesty in the end.

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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #71 - Jun 8^th, 2017 at 6:07pm

moses wrote on Jun 8^th, 2017 at 2:40pm:

The local apologist for islamic terrorism wrote:

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Which doctrine was that? Shi'a or Sunni, Moses? Tsk, tsk. Shown up for the fool you really are... again.

There is only one qur'an which dictates the doctrine of islam.

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The qur'an is unambiguous in its' commands to torture and murder non believers, hypocrites and corrupters.

Really? And what does The Bible say about the equivalent people, Moses? Mmmm? Roll Eyes

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It is a total lie by muslims and their apologists that a fatwa will over ride the commands of allah, teachings of muhammad, verses in the qur'an.

Seems to be a lie that they believe, Moses. Funny that. Personally, I'll take the word of a Muslim over a non-Muslim where Islam is concerned. Roll Eyes

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islamic terrorism is here to stay, until muslims have the moral courage to exhaustively inquire into the depraved evilness of allah, muhammad and the qur'an.

And are Christians prepared to do the same, Moses? I wonder why, if it as universal as you claim, not all Muslims engage in Terrorism then? Could it be that interpretations have changed? Been perverted? Interesting how Christianity has changed as well over the millennia in how it's theology should be interpreted. I remember what the Priests used to proclaim from the pulpit at the turn of the century... Tsk, tsk. Who's telling porkie-pies, I wonder, Moses? You or them? Roll Eyes

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We all know that such a review would destroy islam in an instant, as islam cannot withstand an honest appraisal, islam is evil to the core.

Occording to whom? You, a committed Christian or them, committed Muslims? Interesting question, don't you think, Moses? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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So we have muslims and their apologists quiet happy with the status quo of bloodshed death and destruction we all witness today, the result of muslims following the qur'an to the letter.

Some Muslims no doubt do, just as some Christians no doubt do. What a shame that Christianity does not look at itself in the way you demand that Muslims must as well, Moses. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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The duo of malevolence (muslims/apologists), rather than bring the bloodshed to an end, prefer to keep coming up with all their stupid excuses.

And the Christians and their apologists, Moses? Do you condemn them as well? I wonder... Roll Eyes

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However the world is slowly turning, its' only a matter of time, truth will win the day, muslims and their apologists will be defeated by honesty in the end.

Perhaps they will. What will defeat Christian duplicity though, Moses, I wonder? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
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Reply #71 - Yesterday at 6:07pm
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Really? And what does The Bible say about the equivalent people, Moses? Mmmm?

Which part of the Bible? The part which records the covenant between the Jews and Y.H.W.H. which was written thousands of years before Christianity arrived on the scene?

Or the part which records the Christian teachings by their Saviour, and various other apostles deacons etc.?

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Seems to be a lie that they believe, Moses. Funny that. Personally, I'll take the word of a Muslim over a non-Muslim where Islam is concerned.

Of course you will, you're a supporter of islamic atrocities.

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And are Christians prepared to do the same, Moses? I wonder why, if it as universal as you claim, not all Muslims engage in Terrorism then? Could it be that interpretations have changed? Been perverted? Interesting how Christianity has changed as well over the millennia in how it's theology should be interpreted. I remember what the Priests used to proclaim from the pulpit at the turn of the century... Tsk, tsk. Who's telling porkie-pies, I wonder, Moses? You or them?

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Some Muslims no doubt do, just as some Christians no doubt do. What a shame that Christianity does not look at itself in the way you demand that Muslims must as well, Moses. Tsk, tsk.

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And the Christians and their apologists, Moses? Do you condemn them as well? I wonder...

Always the red herring of what will the Christians do, when the world wide problem of islamic terrorism is raised. Well you see, in your haste to defend islamic terrorism, you've overlooked the fact that its' got nothing at all to do with Christianity.

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Occording to whom? You, a committed Christian or them, committed Muslims? Interesting question, don't you think, Moses? Tsk, tsk

All so called moderate muslims and apologists, are panic-stricken at the thought of a review into the commands of allah, teachings of muhammad, verses in the qur'an, which cause and motivate islamic atrocities. This duo of evil will try any perverse trick in the book to hide from, duck and dodge away from this obvious answer to islamic terrorism.

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Perhaps they will. What will defeat Christian duplicity though, Moses, I wonder? Tsk, tsk.

There's no perhaps about it muslims and their apologists are losing the battle, the world will turn eventually and truth will win the day.

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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #74 - Jun 9^th, 2017 at 6:52pm

moses wrote on Jun 9^th, 2017 at 4:20pm:

Reply #71 - Yesterday at 6:07pm
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Really? And what does The Bible say about the equivalent people, Moses? Mmmm?

Which part of the Bible? The part which records the covenant between the Jews and Y.H.W.H. which was written thousands of years before Christianity arrived on the scene?

Or the part which records the Christian teachings by their Saviour, and various other apostles deacons etc.?

Both are parts of The Bible, are they not, Moses? Priests preach from both parts when it suits them. I've attended church and heard them taking chapter and verse from the Old Testament and according it equal weight with the New. Funny how you, among all Christians proclaim that the Old Testament is no longer valid when millions of Christians believe otherwise and proclaim it. Tsk, tsk, Moses. why do you persist with these porkie-pies? Roll Eyes

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Seems to be a lie that they believe, Moses. Funny that. Personally, I'll take the word of a Muslim over a non-Muslim where Islam is concerned.

Of course you will, you're a supporter of islamic atrocities.

I am? Where? Please provide a quote where I have supported Islamic atrocities, Moses. Look, here is a space for you to do it. Failure of course will indicate that once more you are telling porkie-pies about me. Tsk, tsk, isn't that breaking one of the 10 commandments?

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I look forward to reading it, Moses. I really do. Roll Eyes

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And are Christians prepared to do the same, Moses? I wonder why, if it as universal as you claim, not all Muslims engage in Terrorism then? Could it be that interpretations have changed? Been perverted? Interesting how Christianity has changed as well over the millennia in how it's theology should be interpreted. I remember what the Priests used to proclaim from the pulpit at the turn of the century... Tsk, tsk. Who's telling porkie-pies, I wonder, Moses? You or them?

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Some Muslims no doubt do, just as some Christians no doubt do. What a shame that Christianity does not look at itself in the way you demand that Muslims must as well, Moses. Tsk, tsk.

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And the Christians and their apologists, Moses? Do you condemn them as well? I wonder...

Always the red herring of what will the Christians do, when the world wide problem of islamic terrorism is raised. Well you see, in your haste to defend islamic terrorism, you've overlooked the fact that its' got nothing at all to do with Christianity.

I am not defending Islamic Terrorism in the slightest, Moses. I am defending plain, ordinary, everyday, moderate Muslims and their interpretation of their religion which you are accusing because of their faith, commit or support Terrorism. Tsk, tsk. So much for loving the oppressed, hey, Moses? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Occording to whom? You, a committed Christian or them, committed Muslims? Interesting question, don't you think, Moses? Tsk, tsk

All so called moderate muslims and apologists, are panic-stricken at the thought of a review into the commands of allah, teachings of muhammad, verses in the qur'an, which cause and motivate islamic atrocities. This duo of evil will try any perverse trick in the book to hide from, duck and dodge away from this obvious answer to islamic terrorism.

Ah, this is why there is always, somewhere, a Muslim hiding under their bed, right, Moses? This is why Islamic scholars are always reviewing their beliefs, the teachings of Mohammed and making sure they are correct and fit within the religion of Islam. This is why, at this moment there is an ongoing project to review the ahadiths in Turkey. Naughty Muslims to be doing exactly what you ask, hey, Moses? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Perhaps they will. What will defeat Christian duplicity though, Moses, I wonder? Tsk, tsk.

There's no perhaps about it muslims and their apologists are losing the battle, the world will turn eventually and truth will win the day.

They may be but the decent people like myself who aren't fighting a battle for Islam but against ignorance and bigotry as expressed in your Islamophobia? We are hopefully winning, rather than doing exactly what the Islamist Terrorists want us to do. Roll Eyes

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