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Reply #240 - Jul 10^th, 2017 at 4:28pm

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You have failed to absorb the subtlety of a culture which is laid back, which believes in live and let live

What does allah say about live and let live?

qur'an 9.29: Fight those who do not believe in allah or in the last day and who do not consider unlawful what allah and his messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

no definitely no live and let live there

qur'an 3.151: We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve because they ascribe unto allah partners, for which no warrant hath been revealed. Their habitation is the Fire, and hapless the abode of the wrong-doers.

none there either, only hate and kill Christians

qur'an 47.4: So when you meet those who disbelieve [in battle], strike [their] necks until, when you have inflicted slaughter upon them, then secure their bonds, and either [confer] favor afterwards or ransom [them] until the war lays down its burdens. That [is the command]. And if allah had willed, [b]He could have taken vengeance upon them [himself], but [he ordered armed struggle] to test some of you by means of others. And those who are killed in the cause of allah [/b]- never will He waste their deeds.

Good grief allah could have killed the disbelievers but he prefers that muslims do it as a test, no live and let live there either

qur'an 5.51: O ye who believe! ]take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily allah guideth not a people unjust.

Oh gee don't have unbelievers as friends, none there either

qur'an 9.23: O ye who believe! take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love infidelity above faith: if any of you do so, they do wrong.

Aw hell turn on your own family if they aren't believers certainly no live and let live

qur'an 2.8: And of the people are some who say, "We believe in allah and the Last Day," but they are not believers.

qur'an 2.10: In their hearts is disease, so allah has increased their disease; and for them is a painful punishment because they [habitually] used to lie.

qur'an 2.11: And when it is said to them, "Do not cause corruption on the earth," they say, "We are but reformers."

qur'an 2.12: Unquestionably, it is they who are the corrupters, but they perceive [it] not.

Seems to be if you want a bit of change or reform allah wants' you killed you are a corrupter, no live and let live there either

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qur'an 4.88: What is [the matter] with you [that you are] two groups concerning the hypocrites, while allah has made them fall back [into error and disbelief] for what they earned. Do you wish to guide those whom allah has sent astray? And he whom allah sends astray - never will you find for him a way [of guidance].

Surely not, allah has sent hypocrites astray, muslims may torture and kill them. gee what happened to live and let live?

qur'an 4.89: They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of allah . But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.

Yep no doubt kill the unbelievers

qur'an 33.73: [It was] so that allah may punish the hypocrite men and hypocrite women and the men and women who associate others with him and that allah may accept repentance from the believing men and believing women. And ever is allah forgiving and merciful.

well gee no live and let live there just more hatred of Christians

I don't know to me it all reads of hate torture and murder for the non muslim, but I suppose it's another lot of code for islam is a religion of peace, islamic live and let live

Looks like muzzies have failed to absorb the subtlety of a culture which is laid back, which believes in live and let live

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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #241 - Jul 10^th, 2017 at 6:02pm

moses wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 4:28pm:

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You have failed to absorb the subtlety of a culture which is laid back, which believes in live and let live

What does allah say about live and let live?

I wasn't discussing what Allah said, Moses.

Perhaps you'd care to explain what your God said about it?

About time you took responsibility for your own views, don't you think? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #243 - Jul 10^th, 2017 at 10:47pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 11:36am:

Unfortunately for you, in reality they are overwhelming just normal folks with normal beliefs and act normally. You concentrate on the tiny minority, the few, the Terrorists, the extremists, the fundamentalists and never look around at how the majority act, what the majority believe. You are the exact mirror image of those you claim to oppose, Soren. You are irrational, you are extreme, you advocate violence against innocent people simply because they believe in something you don't. You are a fascist in the true meaning of the word. You don't believe in Australia, Soren. You have failed to absorb the subtlety of a culture which is laid back, which believes in live and let live. You should be rejected because your views and your beliefs. You disgust me. Utterly. Roll Eyes

Islam is Islam. How Muslims relate to Islam is varied. But Islam is Islam - a thoroughly bad thing. It has simply nothing to recommend it. Nothing.

So if you are an apostate Muslim I congratulate you for having the personal strength to take responsibility for your own views and evolve in your own lifetime. If you are a pious Muslim, keen on the Koran and Mohammed, I say you are submitting to a dreadful supremacist ideology and you have no place in the West until you renounce it. (and we know all about taqiyya so 'renounce' must be meaningful).

See? I judge Muslims individually, according to their relationship to the dreadful creed of Islam.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 98463	Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this? Reply #244 - Jul 10^th, 2017 at 10:49pm Good show, dear boy. Moslem == a follower of Islam.
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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #245 - Jul 10^th, 2017 at 10:56pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 10:49pm:

Good show, dear boy.

Moslem == a follower of Islam.

What? Is Ickypedia incorrect:
A Muslim is someone who follows or practices Islam

You'd better get on there and tell them where they went wrong with that OUTLANDISH deneralisation.

Everyone knows that a 'Muslim' is whatever a Muslim wants it to mean. Nuffin' to do wiv Koran, Mohammed, none of that stuff. Muslim is like gender - it can be anything. Mohammed said so 1400 years ago:

"Oh ye Muslims, you can have your end away in any which way, for Allah is merciful and forgiving and knows what you really, really want'.

He also said,
"Oh ye Muslims, you can't have your end away in any which way, for Allah is merciful and forgiving and knows what you really, really want and what's good for you'.

Eternal word of Allah, that is. Or not. I forget which.

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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #246 - Jul 10^th, 2017 at 11:15pm

Frank wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 10:56pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 10:49pm:

Good show, dear boy.

Moslem == a follower of Islam.

What? Is Ickypedia incorrect:
A Muslim is someone who follows or practices Islam

You'd better get on there and tell them where they went wrong with that OUTLANDISH deneralisation.

Everyone knows that a 'Muslim' is whatever a Muslim wants it to mean. Nuffin' to do wiv Koran, Mohammed, none of that stuff. Muslim is like gender - it can be anything. Mohammed said so 1400 years ago:

"Oh ye Muslims, you can have your end away in any which way, for Allah is merciful and forgiving and knows what you really, really want'.

He also said,
"Oh ye Muslims, you can't have your end away in any which way, for Allah is merciful and forgiving and knows what you really, really want and what's good for you'.

Eternal word of Allah, that is. Or not. I forget which.

You're not racist, old boy. But...

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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #247 - Jul 10^th, 2017 at 11:18pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 11:15pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 10:56pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 10:49pm:

Good show, dear boy.

Moslem == a follower of Islam.

What? Is Ickypedia incorrect:
A Muslim is someone who follows or practices Islam

You'd better get on there and tell them where they went wrong with that OUTLANDISH deneralisation.

Everyone knows that a 'Muslim' is whatever a Muslim wants it to mean. Nuffin' to do wiv Koran, Mohammed, none of that stuff. Muslim is like gender - it can be anything. Mohammed said so 1400 years ago:

"Oh ye Muslims, you can have your end away in any which way, for Allah is merciful and forgiving and knows what you really, really want'.

He also said,
"Oh ye Muslims, you can't have your end away in any which way, for Allah is merciful and forgiving and knows what you really, really want and what's good for you'.

Eternal word of Allah, that is. Or not. I forget which.

You're not racist, old boy. But...

... Islam and Muslims are not a race.

You stupid little Paki agit-prop galah. You will never tire of being an idiot, will you??

No.

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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #248 - Jul 10^th, 2017 at 11:21pm

Frank wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 11:18pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 11:15pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 10:56pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 10:49pm:

Good show, dear boy.

Moslem == a follower of Islam.

What? Is Ickypedia incorrect:
A Muslim is someone who follows or practices Islam

You'd better get on there and tell them where they went wrong with that OUTLANDISH deneralisation.

Everyone knows that a 'Muslim' is whatever a Muslim wants it to mean. Nuffin' to do wiv Koran, Mohammed, none of that stuff. Muslim is like gender - it can be anything. Mohammed said so 1400 years ago:

"Oh ye Muslims, you can have your end away in any which way, for Allah is merciful and forgiving and knows what you really, really want'.

He also said,
"Oh ye Muslims, you can't have your end away in any which way, for Allah is merciful and forgiving and knows what you really, really want and what's good for you'.

Eternal word of Allah, that is. Or not. I forget which.

You're not racist, old boy. But...

... Islam and Muslims are not a race.

Oh, I see.

But...

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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #249 - Jul 10^th, 2017 at 11:26pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 11:21pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 11:18pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 11:15pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 10:56pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 10:49pm:

Good show, dear boy.

Moslem == a follower of Islam.

What? Is Ickypedia incorrect:
A Muslim is someone who follows or practices Islam

You'd better get on there and tell them where they went wrong with that OUTLANDISH deneralisation.

Everyone knows that a 'Muslim' is whatever a Muslim wants it to mean. Nuffin' to do wiv Koran, Mohammed, none of that stuff. Muslim is like gender - it can be anything. Mohammed said so 1400 years ago:

"Oh ye Muslims, you can have your end away in any which way, for Allah is merciful and forgiving and knows what you really, really want'.

He also said,
"Oh ye Muslims, you can't have your end away in any which way, for Allah is merciful and forgiving and knows what you really, really want and what's good for you'.

Eternal word of Allah, that is. Or not. I forget which.

You're not racist, old boy. But...

... Islam and Muslims are not a race.

Oh, I see.

But...

You are always sniffing for a butt. Butt sniffing for butts is not an argument, not even in Pakistan.

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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #250 - Jul 11^th, 2017 at 10:09am

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 11:36am:

Unfortunately for you, in reality they are overwhelming just normal folks with normal beliefs and act normally. You concentrate on the tiny minority, the few, the Terrorists, the extremists, the fundamentalists and never look around at how the majority act, what the majority believe. You disgust me. Utterly. Roll Eyes

You disgust most sane people bwian, with your lies and hypocrisy.
Even Gandalf, a Muslim, disagrees with YOU bwian... the moderate sensible Muslims are in the minority.

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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #251 - Jul 11^th, 2017 at 4:01pm

Frank wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 10:47pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 11:36am:

Unfortunately for you, in reality they are overwhelming just normal folks with normal beliefs and act normally. You concentrate on the tiny minority, the few, the Terrorists, the extremists, the fundamentalists and never look around at how the majority act, what the majority believe. You are the exact mirror image of those you claim to oppose, Soren. You are irrational, you are extreme, you advocate violence against innocent people simply because they believe in something you don't. You are a fascist in the true meaning of the word. You don't believe in Australia, Soren. You have failed to absorb the subtlety of a culture which is laid back, which believes in live and let live. You should be rejected because your views and your beliefs. You disgust me. Utterly. Roll Eyes

Islam is Islam. How Muslims relate to Islam is varied. But Islam is Islam - a thoroughly bad thing. It has simply nothing to recommend it. Nothing.

And you know this, how, Soren? Oh, thats right, you just know 'cause you've never, ever, sat down and actually tried to understand Islam, now have you? Tsk, tsk. You're a bigot and an Islamophobe. Roll Eyes

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So if you are an apostate Muslim I congratulate you for having the personal strength to take responsibility for your own views and evolve in your own lifetime. If you are a pious Muslim, keen on the Koran and Mohammed, I say you are submitting to a dreadful supremacist ideology and you have no place in the West until you renounce it. (and we know all about taqiyya so 'renounce' must be meaningful).

Since when was I a Muslim, Soren? I am an ex-Catholic, who gave up believing in God when the Brothers beat it out of me. I am however, respectful of others' beliefs if that is what the want to believe. You want to believe in a Pasta monster in the Sky, go for it. You want to believe in Cthulhu, go right ahead. You want to believe in Jehovah, thats up to you. Allah? Your choice. All religion is, is an opiate of the Masses, designed to explain the noises in the night as far as I am concerned. People don't deserve to be persecuted for their beliefs, Soren, not even you. Until you recognise that, I'll keep pointing out your Islamophobia. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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See? I judge Muslims individually, according to their relationship to the dreadful creed of Islam.

No, you don't, you judge them collectively on the basis of their beliefs, Soren. To you, Muslims don't belong here, despite being even more Australian than you. Tsk, tsk, Islamophobe. Roll Eyes

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this? Reply #252 - Jul 11^th, 2017 at 4:18pm Pity they didn't beat you a little harder bwian they may have beaten some sense into you. Isn't it time you addressed reality instead of continually ignoring it. Instead of taking your psychoses out on the rest of us?
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Reply #253 - Jul 12^th, 2017 at 1:21pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2017 at 4:01pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 10:47pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 11:36am:

Unfortunately for you, in reality they are overwhelming just normal folks with normal beliefs and act normally. You concentrate on the tiny minority, the few, the Terrorists, the extremists, the fundamentalists and never look around at how the majority act, what the majority believe. You are the exact mirror image of those you claim to oppose, Soren. You are irrational, you are extreme, you advocate violence against innocent people simply because they believe in something you don't. You are a fascist in the true meaning of the word. You don't believe in Australia, Soren. You have failed to absorb the subtlety of a culture which is laid back, which believes in live and let live. You should be rejected because your views and your beliefs. You disgust me. Utterly. Roll Eyes

Islam is Islam. How Muslims relate to Islam is varied. But Islam is Islam - a thoroughly bad thing. It has simply nothing to recommend it. Nothing.

And you know this, how, Soren? Oh, thats right, you just know 'cause you've never, ever, sat down and actually tried to understand Islam, now have you? Tsk, tsk. You're a bigot and an Islamophobe. Roll Eyes

So, Brian, do you really sit down with every Nazi, every Stalinist, every Scientologist, every Jehovah's Witness, every jihadi and discuss with each and every one of them what they make of their Nazi, Communist, Islamic etc views before you, Bwian, ever form a view about what it means to believe in such things??

You silly old duffer.

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 51575 Gender:	Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this? Reply #254 - Jul 12^th, 2017 at 1:27pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 11:31am: Islamophobia: Women wearing head coverings most at risk of attacks, study finds Nowhere near as much a risk as teenage girls in Manchester are from Islamists. THAT's really risky.
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