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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #165 - Jun 19^th, 2017 at 9:57pm

Frank wrote on Jun 19^th, 2017 at 9:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 19^th, 2017 at 12:18am:

Frank wrote on Jun 18^th, 2017 at 9:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 18^th, 2017 at 6:31pm:

That is the ostensible reasoning for a translation, Moses. However, the Christian Church(es) have often change the wording to "make it clearer" to it's recipients. In doing so, they have subtly changed the meaning of what they are translating. It is a common problem with the translation of language and one thing most professional translators must be careful of. Does the Church(es) care about that? It appears not.

For example? Give us an example or two.

Do your own research, Soren. It might actually help you to understand what I am saying for a change. Tsk, tsk, I don't know why I bother really... Roll Eyes

Do my own research to know that you are lying??

I have done my own research and so I am calling you an ignorant liar. The assertion you have made, highlighted above, is a complete and utter Brian Munchausen lie and deception.

Prove that you are not a liar. You can't.

For the second time, please refer to my example above.

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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #166 - Jun 19^th, 2017 at 10:01pm

Auggie wrote on Jun 19^th, 2017 at 9:57pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 19^th, 2017 at 9:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 19^th, 2017 at 12:18am:

Frank wrote on Jun 18^th, 2017 at 9:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 18^th, 2017 at 6:31pm:

That is the ostensible reasoning for a translation, Moses. However, the Christian Church(es) have often change the wording to "make it clearer" to it's recipients. In doing so, they have subtly changed the meaning of what they are translating. It is a common problem with the translation of language and one thing most professional translators must be careful of. Does the Church(es) care about that? It appears not.

For example? Give us an example or two.

Do your own research, Soren. It might actually help you to understand what I am saying for a change. Tsk, tsk, I don't know why I bother really... Roll Eyes

Do my own research to know that you are lying??

I have done my own research and so I am calling you an ignorant liar. The assertion you have made, highlighted above, is a complete and utter Brian Munchausen lie and deception.

Prove that you are not a liar. You can't.

For the second time, please refer to my example above.

Oh, I don't think the old boy's too keen on research, Augie. He just wants an excuse to give Brian a piece of his mind.

Frank spends most of his day calling complaints lines. He just comes here to relax.

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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #167 - Jun 19^th, 2017 at 10:02pm

Karnal wrote on Jun 19^th, 2017 at 10:01pm:

Auggie wrote on Jun 19^th, 2017 at 9:57pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 19^th, 2017 at 9:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 19^th, 2017 at 12:18am:

Frank wrote on Jun 18^th, 2017 at 9:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 18^th, 2017 at 6:31pm:

That is the ostensible reasoning for a translation, Moses. However, the Christian Church(es) have often change the wording to "make it clearer" to it's recipients. In doing so, they have subtly changed the meaning of what they are translating. It is a common problem with the translation of language and one thing most professional translators must be careful of. Does the Church(es) care about that? It appears not.

For example? Give us an example or two.

Do your own research, Soren. It might actually help you to understand what I am saying for a change. Tsk, tsk, I don't know why I bother really... Roll Eyes

Do my own research to know that you are lying??

I have done my own research and so I am calling you an ignorant liar. The assertion you have made, highlighted above, is a complete and utter Brian Munchausen lie and deception.

Prove that you are not a liar. You can't.

For the second time, please refer to my example above.

Oh, I don't think the old boy's too keen on research, Augie. He just wants an excuse to give Brian a piece of his mind.

Frank spends most of his day calling complaints lines. He just comes here to relax.

I must say: I do enjoy your humour, K. Keep up the good work.

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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #168 - Jun 19^th, 2017 at 10:06pm

Auggie wrote on Jun 19^th, 2017 at 9:57pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 19^th, 2017 at 9:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 19^th, 2017 at 12:18am:

Frank wrote on Jun 18^th, 2017 at 9:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 18^th, 2017 at 6:31pm:

That is the ostensible reasoning for a translation, Moses. However, the Christian Church(es) have often change the wording to "make it clearer" to it's recipients. In doing so, they have subtly changed the meaning of what they are translating. It is a common problem with the translation of language and one thing most professional translators must be careful of. Does the Church(es) care about that? It appears not.

For example? Give us an example or two.

Do your own research, Soren. It might actually help you to understand what I am saying for a change. Tsk, tsk, I don't know why I bother really... Roll Eyes

Do my own research to know that you are lying??

I have done my own research and so I am calling you an ignorant liar. The assertion you have made, highlighted above, is a complete and utter Brian Munchausen lie and deception.

Prove that you are not a liar. You can't.

For the second time, please refer to my example above.

Seen it, it's ignorant, low brow nonsense.

The Jewish/Christian god is a verb. Allah is a noun.

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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #169 - Jun 20^th, 2017 at 6:55am

John Smith wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 9:13am:

I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?

or this

London Bridge attack: Muslim families hand out roses with messages of disgust at extremism

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-07/flowers-to-condemn-london-attacks-handed-o...

Great news. But for how much longer are we going to tolerate that the "extremes" of Islam is slashing people's throats while they eat dinner?

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Disclaimer for Mothra per POST so it is forever acknowledged: Saying 'Islam' or 'Muslims' doesn't mean ALL muslims. This does not target individual muslims who's opinion I am not aware of.

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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #170 - Jun 20^th, 2017 at 12:38pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 20^th, 2017 at 6:55am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 9:13am:

I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?

or this

London Bridge attack: Muslim families hand out roses with messages of disgust at extremism

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-07/flowers-to-condemn-london-attacks-handed-o...

Great news. But for how much longer are we going to tolerate that the "extremes" of Islam is slashing people's throats while they eat dinner?

You tolerate it? Why? I certainly don't, and don't know anyone who does.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #171 - Jun 20^th, 2017 at 1:26pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 20^th, 2017 at 12:38pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 20^th, 2017 at 6:55am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 9:13am:

I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?

or this

London Bridge attack: Muslim families hand out roses with messages of disgust at extremism

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-07/flowers-to-condemn-london-attacks-handed-o...

Great news. But for how much longer are we going to tolerate that the "extremes" of Islam is slashing people's throats while they eat dinner?

You tolerate it? Why? I certainly don't, and don't know anyone who does.

if you don't tolerate it, then you must be doing something to stop it.
oh wait.... you just accept it right? Cheesy

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this? Reply #172 - Jun 20^th, 2017 at 2:47pm So by that logic G - you tolerate it - right?
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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #173 - Jun 20^th, 2017 at 3:40pm

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One perfect example is using the translation LORD GOD for the YHWH in Hebrew in standard Bibles, and using God for Elohim or El. Of course, the exception to this is the Jehovah Witnesses' Bible, which uses the name Jehovah.

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For the second time, please refer to my example above.

In your examples AugCaesarustus God, Y.H.W.H. etc. are all written as meaning the God of the Hebrews. They all have exactly the same meaning. They are not written / translated to imply the total opposite. (as Brian Ross was with his illustrations)

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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #174 - Jun 20^th, 2017 at 6:05pm

moses wrote on Jun 20^th, 2017 at 3:40pm:

AugCaesarustus wrote:

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One perfect example is using the translation LORD GOD for the YHWH in Hebrew in standard Bibles, and using God for Elohim or El. Of course, the exception to this is the Jehovah Witnesses' Bible, which uses the name Jehovah.

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For the second time, please refer to my example above.

In your examples AugCaesarustus God, Y.H.W.H. etc. are all written as meaning the God of the Hebrews. They all have exactly the same meaning. They are not written / translated to imply the total opposite. (as Brian Ross was with his illustrations)

The thing is that some people say that Eloyon is the High God and that YHWH or Yahweh is a lesser God who was Elyon's son. The Israeli people appropriated YHWH as their own God and He become the God of Israel.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this? Reply #175 - Jun 20^th, 2017 at 7:19pm polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 20^th, 2017 at 2:47pm: So by that logic G - you tolerate it - right? If I was muslim I'd be doing something to stop it.
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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #176 - Jun 20^th, 2017 at 7:24pm

Grendel wrote on Jun 20^th, 2017 at 7:19pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 20^th, 2017 at 2:47pm:

So by that logic G - you tolerate it - right?

If I was muslim I'd be doing something to stop it. Roll Eyes

What are you doing, as a man, to stop sexual assault of women and children?

If people are responsible for the badly behaved members of their demographics that is.

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If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #177 - Jun 20^th, 2017 at 7:33pm

mothra wrote on Jun 20^th, 2017 at 7:24pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 20^th, 2017 at 7:19pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 20^th, 2017 at 2:47pm:

So by that logic G - you tolerate it - right?

If I was muslim I'd be doing something to stop it. Roll Eyes

What are you doing, as a man, to stop sexual assault of women and children?

If people are responsible for the badly behaved members of their demographics that is.

Why don't you find a flame somewhere and fly into it, the world would be a better place.

I do everything I can within the law to stop it mothra.... what do you do? It is not like it is part of my life though or the life of anyone I know.

Like I said if I was a Muslim I would do whatever I could do to stop it. What would you do? Cheesy

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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #178 - Jun 20^th, 2017 at 7:34pm

Grendel wrote on Jun 20^th, 2017 at 7:33pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 20^th, 2017 at 7:24pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 20^th, 2017 at 7:19pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 20^th, 2017 at 2:47pm:

So by that logic G - you tolerate it - right?

If I was muslim I'd be doing something to stop it. Roll Eyes

What are you doing, as a man, to stop sexual assault of women and children?

If people are responsible for the badly behaved members of their demographics that is.

Why don't you find a flame somewhere and fly into it, the world would be a better place.

I do everything I can within the law to stop it mothra.... what do you do? It is not like it is part of my life though or the life of anyone I know.

Like I said if I was a Muslim I would do whatever I could do to stop it. What would you do? Cheesy

Tough question, huh?

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If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this? Reply #179 - Jun 20^th, 2017 at 7:47pm No just stupidity on your behalf... you apparently never notice your stupidity though.
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