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Reply #15 - Jun 8th, 2017 at 7:59pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 7th, 2017 at 12:00pm:
lee wrote on Jun 7th, 2017 at 11:24am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 7th, 2017 at 10:33am:
Ummm no. I don't.



Yooo Hooo. You do show a lick of sense.

No Real Climate blog for you. Wink




No but perhaps you could point me to where Clive James has the same ability to comment on this?

Well he was well educated and is an intelligent man.
He would crap all over any of our politicians and can tell truth from a lie.
He uses facts in his article and FACTs are important in this debate they are seldom used and usually denied by the Prog left and Alarmists.
So if you want to shoot messengers I suggest you shoot those misleading you. Cheesy
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Reply #16 - Jun 9th, 2017 at 10:02am
 
Grendel wrote on Jun 8th, 2017 at 7:59pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 7th, 2017 at 12:00pm:
lee wrote on Jun 7th, 2017 at 11:24am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 7th, 2017 at 10:33am:
Ummm no. I don't.



Yooo Hooo. You do show a lick of sense.

No Real Climate blog for you. Wink




No but perhaps you could point me to where Clive James has the same ability to comment on this?

Well he was well educated and is an intelligent man.
He would crap all over any of our politicians and can tell truth from a lie.
He uses facts in his article and FACTs are important in this debate they are seldom used and usually denied by the Prog left and Alarmists.
So if you want to shoot messengers I suggest you shoot those misleading you. Cheesy




If he has facts why not publish in a peer reviewed journal article.

He studied english literature. I dont care how smart he is, that doesn't make him an authority on anything other than english literature.
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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)
 
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Reply #17 - Jun 9th, 2017 at 2:55pm
 
I suggest you actually read what he wrote because attacking him personally isn't winning you the argument.

On this topic he is more honest than many climate scientists you seem to suggest you believe.

James Lovelock who started much of this has divorced himself from the alarmism.  Isn't it time YOU did the same.  Or are you some giant scientific brain who knows more than the rest of us?  I'd hate to think you were just being a hypocrite. Cheesy
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Reply #18 - Jun 9th, 2017 at 3:04pm
 
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Statements from 2012 portray Lovelock as continuing his concern over global warming while at the same time criticizing extremism and suggesting alternatives to oil, coal and the green solutions he does not support.

In an April 2012 interview, aired on MSNBC, Lovelock stated that he had been "alarmist", using the words
“All right, I made a mistake,”
about the timing of climate change and noted the documentary An Inconvenient Truth and the book The Weather Makers as examples of the same kind of alarmism. Lovelock still believes the climate to be warming although the rate of change is not as he once thought, he admitted that he had been “extrapolating too far." He believes that climate change is still happening, but it will be felt farther in the future. Of the claims “the science is settled” on global warming he states:

    "One thing that being a scientist has taught me is that you can never be certain about anything. You never know the truth. You can only approach it and hope to get a bit nearer to it each time. You iterate towards the truth. You don’t know it."

He criticizes environmentalists for treating global warming like a religion.

    “It just so happens that the green religion is now taking over from the Christian religion,” Lovelock observed

    “I don’t think people have noticed that, but it’s got all the sort of terms that religions use … The greens use guilt. That just shows how religious greens are. You can’t win people round by saying they are guilty for putting (carbon dioxide) in the air.”

In the MSNBC article Lovelock is quoted as proclaiming:

    "The problem is we don't know what the climate is doing. We thought we knew 20 years ago. That led to some alarmist books – mine included – because it looked clear-cut, but it hasn’t happened;" he continues

    "The climate is doing its usual tricks. There’s nothing much really happening yet. We were supposed to be halfway toward a frying world now," he said

    The world has not warmed up very much since the millennium. Twelve years is a reasonable time ... it (the temperature) has stayed almost constant, whereas it should have been rising - carbon dioxide is rising, no question about that", he added.


In a follow up interview Lovelock stated his support for natural gas; he now favors fracking as a low-polluting alternative to coal. He opposes the concept of "sustainable development", where modern economies might be powered by wind turbines, calling it meaningless drivel. He keeps a poster of a wind turbine to remind himself how much he detests them.
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Reply #19 - Jun 9th, 2017 at 3:07pm
 
Grendel wrote on Jun 9th, 2017 at 2:55pm:
I suggest you actually read what he wrote because attacking him personally isn't winning you the argument.

On this topic he is more honest than many climate scientists you seem to suggest you believe.

James Lovelock who started much of this has divorced himself from the alarmism.  Isn't it time YOU did the same.  Or are you some giant scientific brain who knows more than the rest of us?  I'd hate to think you were just being a hypocrite. Cheesy





Does he seem more honest, because you agree with what he's saying, or honest because he's talking the truth. Have a think about that, its called confirmation bias.
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Reply #20 - Jun 9th, 2017 at 8:56pm
 
Oh dear so are you trying to say you don't believe him because he disagrees with your closed minded opinion?

I suggest you read what he actually says...  no point you going on if you are so closed minded you don't even read what he says.

So you are also ignoring Lovelock too eh? Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

You seem also to be ignoring the FACTS both these men speak of and guess what...  we all agree on the facts...
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Reply #21 - Jun 10th, 2017 at 2:09pm
 
TheFunPolice wrote on Jun 8th, 2017 at 1:39pm:
lee wrote on Jun 7th, 2017 at 10:06pm:
Of course celebrities can comment. Of course if they have a bigger carbon footprint than some small nations it does ring hollow. Grin Grin Grin Grin

What about companies?

I asked lee first and he is stumped....  Cheesy Cheesy ... I asked lee first and he is stumped....  Cheesy Cheesy

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I asked lee first and he is stumped....  Cheesy Cheesy ... I asked lee first and he is stumped....  Cheesy Cheesy
I asked lee first and he is stumped....  Cheesy Cheesy ... I asked lee first and he is stumped....  Cheesy Cheesy



I asked lee first and he is stumped....  Cheesy Cheesy ... I asked lee first and he is stumped....  Cheesy Cheesy

I asked lee first and he is stumped....  Cheesy Cheesy ... I asked lee first and he is stumped....  Cheesy Cheesy
I asked lee first and he is stumped....  Cheesy Cheesy ... I asked lee first and he is stumped....  Cheesy Cheesy



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Reply #22 - Jun 10th, 2017 at 5:49pm
 
TheFunPolice wrote on Jun 10th, 2017 at 2:09pm:
I asked lee first and he is stumped....


You asked what about companies. Companies are an organisation with shareholders and Directors.

Some companies are manufacturing companies and some companies are service companies. The different types of companies have different energy use requirements and different carbon footprints.. And of course companies can comment.

Now what was it you wanted to know about companies? Wink
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Reply #23 - Jun 13th, 2017 at 12:51pm
 
TheFunPolice wrote on Jun 10th, 2017 at 2:09pm:
TheFunPolice wrote on Jun 8th, 2017 at 1:39pm:
lee wrote on Jun 7th, 2017 at 10:06pm:
Of course celebrities can comment. Of course if they have a bigger carbon footprint than some small nations it does ring hollow. Grin Grin Grin Grin

What about companies?

I asked lee first and he is stumped....  Cheesy Cheesy ... I asked lee first and he is stumped....  Cheesy Cheesy

I asked lee first and he is stumped....  Cheesy Cheesy ... I asked lee first and he is stumped....  Cheesy Cheesy
I asked lee first and he is stumped....  Cheesy Cheesy ... I asked lee first and he is stumped....  Cheesy Cheesy

I asked lee first and he is stumped....  Cheesy Cheesy ... I asked lee first and he is stumped....  Cheesy Cheesy

I asked lee first and he is stumped....  Cheesy Cheesy ... I asked lee first and he is stumped....  Cheesy Cheesy
I asked lee first and he is stumped....  Cheesy Cheesy ... I asked lee first and he is stumped....  Cheesy Cheesy



I asked lee first and he is stumped....  Cheesy Cheesy ... I asked lee first and he is stumped....  Cheesy Cheesy

I asked lee first and he is stumped....  Cheesy Cheesy ... I asked lee first and he is stumped....  Cheesy Cheesy
I asked lee first and he is stumped....  Cheesy Cheesy ... I asked lee first and he is stumped....  Cheesy Cheesy



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Lee can't handle the truth: cos his daddy is shite  Cheesy
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Reply #24 - Jun 15th, 2017 at 9:31am
 
Ah lee answered you....  are you so dumb you don't get his answer....  it aint rocket science you know.
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Reply #25 - Jun 15th, 2017 at 10:36am
 
Grendel wrote on Jun 9th, 2017 at 8:56pm:
Oh dear so are you trying to say you don't believe him because he disagrees with your closed minded opinion?

I suggest you read what he actually says...  no point you going on if you are so closed minded you don't even read what he says.

So you are also ignoring Lovelock too eh? Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

You seem also to be ignoring the FACTS both these men speak of and guess what...  we all agree on the facts...




I actually did read what he said and my point still stands.
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Reply #26 - Jun 15th, 2017 at 12:33pm
 
Grendel wrote on Jun 15th, 2017 at 9:31am:
Ah lee answered you....  are you so dumb you don't get his answer....  it aint rocket science you know.

You're too dumb to understand he answered nothing... cos you're a shill fake conservative that thinks you're smarter than the average bear.

Just because you tell me he answered me doesn't mean he actually answered me: it just means you're s****** his d(**
Wink Wink Wink


You're too dumb to understand he answered nothing... cos you're a shill fake conservative that thinks you're smarter than the average bear.

Just because you tell me he answered me doesn't mean he actually answered me: it just means you're s****** his d(**
Wink Wink Wink



You're too dumb to understand he answered nothing... cos you're a shill fake conservative that thinks you're smarter than the average bear.

Just because you tell me he answered me doesn't mean he actually answered me: it just means you're s****** his d(**
Wink Wink Wink




You're too dumb to understand he answered nothing... cos you're a shill fake conservative that thinks you're smarter than the average bear.

Just because you tell me he answered me doesn't mean he actually answered me: it just means you're s****** his d(**
Wink Wink Wink






Now you just make sure you stay away from my kids you dumb front bottom and there won't be a problem  Smiley
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Reply #27 - Jun 15th, 2017 at 1:54pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 15th, 2017 at 10:36am:
Grendel wrote on Jun 9th, 2017 at 8:56pm:
Oh dear so are you trying to say you don't believe him because he disagrees with your closed minded opinion?

I suggest you read what he actually says...  no point you going on if you are so closed minded you don't even read what he says.

So you are also ignoring Lovelock too eh? Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

You seem also to be ignoring the FACTS both these men speak of and guess what...  we all agree on the facts...




I actually did read what he said and my point still stands.

Then its time to recognise you are wrong then....
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Reply #28 - Jun 15th, 2017 at 1:55pm
 
Wassup trainspotting ?
Quantity not quality seems to be an issue with you.
I got what Lee said straight away in fact I was going to say it to you myself. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #29 - Jun 15th, 2017 at 3:09pm
 
Grendel wrote on Jun 15th, 2017 at 1:55pm:
Wassup trainspotting ?
Quantity not quality seems to be an issue with you.
I got what Lee said straight away in fact I was going to say it to you myself. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Just because you 'got what Lee said' means nothing because you're an idiot!

You hate your own children and waste their time with false argument like any merchant : that's what makes you an idiot!



Cheesy

Con-artists like you never win because you spend all your time destroying yourself.

GO COPPER INTERNET AY  Wink Wink
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