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Re: Tesla to produce Semi Truck to kill off Diesel
Reply #45 - Jun 7^th, 2017 at 4:49pm

Unforgiven wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 1:07pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 12:35pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 11:51am:

lee wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 11:39am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 6^th, 2017 at 11:55pm:

Requiring lots of energy !! May as well charge up batteries with that energy

"33.70 kWh has 100% of the energy of one gallon of gasoline."

https://www.afdc.energy.gov/fuels/fuel_comparison_chart.pdf

The 14 kWh powerwall is listed as 120kg, so about 2.5 powerwalls per gallon of gasoline.

Lee disgraces itself again. Not all the energy in petrol is converted into kinetic energy by car engines. In fact it is less than 20% conversion if all driving conditions are averaged in.

Whereas the conversion efficiency from a battery is in the order of 90% in tems of energy output as a percentage of energy input by charging.

Denizen lee is the master of obfuscation and misdirection:

https://www.google.co.th/search?q=average+efficiency+of+car+engine&oq=average+ef...

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The efficiency by which they do so is measured in terms of "thermal efficiency", and most gasoline combustion engines average around 20 percent thermal efficiency. Diesels are typically higher--approaching 40 percent in some cases.Apr 14, 2014
Toyota Gasoline Engine Achieves Thermal Efficiency Of 38 Percent
www.greencarreports.com/.../1091436_toyota-gasoline-engine-achieves-thermal-efficie...

Refueling is the only thing that matters when it comes to long distance truck haulage as is the case here.

Refuel in minutes at stations regularly located though out the country of refuel in hours.

Look this is just another bout of nails fisting himself, nothing to see here.

You evidently did not read the post which stated a 1,200 mile range.

Power is supplied from fuel cell charging batteries.

You might want to post that again, I did miss it. Id like to see the batteries that push a fully laden 50 tonne truck for 1200 miles.

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Re: Tesla to produce Semi Truck to kill off Diesel
Reply #46 - Jun 7^th, 2017 at 5:00pm

miketrees wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 4:27pm:

Exchange batteries are probably the way to go for electric vehicles, probably quicker that filling a 300 litre fuel tank.

I am in favour of electric vehicles and I am sure the technology will keep improving.

But I have no illusions of them being cheaper that petrol or diesel vehicles.
The government will tax the road you drive on if they cant tax the fuel, they will tax the tyres, whatever it takes they will milk you.

The battery switch-and-go concept never took off. It's not an issue of charging up fast because you can always top up at home when you are a sleep so that you always have plenty of range for the next day. Range anxiety is no longer an issue with cars like the Tesla Wink

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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6492 Gender:	Re: Tesla to produce Semi Truck to kill off Diesel Reply #47 - Jun 7^th, 2017 at 5:46pm I was thinking for trucks LN
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BigOl64 Gold Member Offline Posts: 14438 Townsville QLD Gender:	Re: Tesla to produce Semi Truck to kill off Diesel Reply #48 - Jun 7^th, 2017 at 5:57pm miketrees wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 5:46pm: I was thinking for trucks LN yeah, he only has a half a dozen answers and it seems not one for trucks
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Re: Tesla to produce Semi Truck to kill off Diesel
Reply #49 - Jun 7^th, 2017 at 8:23pm

Unforgiven wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 11:51am:

Lee disgraces itself again. Not all the energy in petrol is converted into kinetic energy by car engines. In fact it is less than 20% conversion if all driving conditions are averaged in.

I'm not responsible for the figures. You can do the math and tell us how many powerwalls a truck would need and the weight. And of course most trucks use diesel. Wink

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21535 Gender:	Re: Tesla to produce Semi Truck to kill off Diesel Reply #50 - Jun 7^th, 2017 at 8:28pm Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 12:30pm: what about hydrogen ?? "1 kg or 2.198 lbs. of H2 has 100% of the energy of one gallon of gasoline. " https://www.afdc.energy.gov/fuels/fuel_comparison_chart.pdf
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Re: Tesla to produce Semi Truck to kill off Diesel
Reply #51 - Jun 7^th, 2017 at 8:59pm

lee wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 8:28pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 12:30pm:

what about hydrogen ??

"1 kg or 2.198 lbs. of H2 has 100% of the energy of one gallon of gasoline. "

https://www.afdc.energy.gov/fuels/fuel_comparison_chart.pdf

Denizen lee can't even get his conversions right:

http://www.thecalculatorsite.com/conversions/common/kg-to-stones-pounds.php

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1 kg = 2.20462 pound

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21535 Gender:	Re: Tesla to produce Semi Truck to kill off Diesel Reply #52 - Jun 7^th, 2017 at 9:05pm Unforgiven wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 8:59pm: Denizen lee can't even get his conversions right: Not me dumbarse. Try USA Government website. or can't you follow simple links?
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Re: Tesla to produce Semi Truck to kill off Diesel
Reply #53 - Jun 7^th, 2017 at 10:08pm

lee wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 9:05pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 8:59pm:

Denizen lee can't even get his conversions right:

Not me dumbarse. Try USA Government website. or can't you follow simple links?

Lee is the dumbarse, as usual. You should have known it was wrong as I did and checked on 2 different sources.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21535 Gender:	Re: Tesla to produce Semi Truck to kill off Diesel Reply #54 - Jun 7^th, 2017 at 10:18pm Unforgiven wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 10:08pm: Lee is the dumbarse, as usual. You should have known it was wrong as I did and checked on 2 different sources. Who Skeptical Science, real Climate?
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21535 Gender:	Re: Tesla to produce Semi Truck to kill off Diesel Reply #55 - Jun 7^th, 2017 at 10:32pm As if I should worry about 0.10592 of an ounce. Or about 3 grams.
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Re: Tesla to produce Semi Truck to kill off Diesel
Reply #56 - Jun 8^th, 2017 at 1:47pm

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 12:35pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 11:51am:

lee wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 11:39am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 6^th, 2017 at 11:55pm:

Requiring lots of energy !! May as well charge up batteries with that energy

"33.70 kWh has 100% of the energy of one gallon of gasoline."

https://www.afdc.energy.gov/fuels/fuel_comparison_chart.pdf

The 14 kWh powerwall is listed as 120kg, so about 2.5 powerwalls per gallon of gasoline.

Lee disgraces itself again. Not all the energy in petrol is converted into kinetic energy by car engines. In fact it is less than 20% conversion if all driving conditions are averaged in.

Whereas the conversion efficiency from a battery is in the order of 90% in tems of energy output as a percentage of energy input by charging.

Denizen lee is the master of obfuscation and misdirection:

https://www.google.co.th/search?q=average+efficiency+of+car+engine&oq=average+ef...

Quote:

The efficiency by which they do so is measured in terms of "thermal efficiency", and most gasoline combustion engines average around 20 percent thermal efficiency. Diesels are typically higher--approaching 40 percent in some cases.Apr 14, 2014
Toyota Gasoline Engine Achieves Thermal Efficiency Of 38 Percent
www.greencarreports.com/.../1091436_toyota-gasoline-engine-achieves-thermal-efficie...

Refueling is the only thing that matters when it comes to long distance truck haulage as is the case here.

Refuel in minutes at stations regularly located though out the country of refuel in hours.

Look this is just another bout of nails fisting himself, nothing to see here.

You're wrong:

War also matters: it's called Jet Planes hitting the world trade centres to wake greedy baby boomers the f* (* up

http://i.imgur.com/uUSyYfv.jpg

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Re: Tesla to produce Semi Truck to kill off Diesel
Reply #57 - Jun 8^th, 2017 at 1:56pm

TheFunPolice wrote on Jun 8^th, 2017 at 1:47pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 12:35pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 11:51am:

lee wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 11:39am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 6^th, 2017 at 11:55pm:

Requiring lots of energy !! May as well charge up batteries with that energy

"33.70 kWh has 100% of the energy of one gallon of gasoline."

https://www.afdc.energy.gov/fuels/fuel_comparison_chart.pdf

The 14 kWh powerwall is listed as 120kg, so about 2.5 powerwalls per gallon of gasoline.

Lee disgraces itself again. Not all the energy in petrol is converted into kinetic energy by car engines. In fact it is less than 20% conversion if all driving conditions are averaged in.

Whereas the conversion efficiency from a battery is in the order of 90% in tems of energy output as a percentage of energy input by charging.

Denizen lee is the master of obfuscation and misdirection:

https://www.google.co.th/search?q=average+efficiency+of+car+engine&oq=average+ef...

Quote:

The efficiency by which they do so is measured in terms of "thermal efficiency", and most gasoline combustion engines average around 20 percent thermal efficiency. Diesels are typically higher--approaching 40 percent in some cases.Apr 14, 2014
Toyota Gasoline Engine Achieves Thermal Efficiency Of 38 Percent
www.greencarreports.com/.../1091436_toyota-gasoline-engine-achieves-thermal-efficie...

Refueling is the only thing that matters when it comes to long distance truck haulage as is the case here.

Refuel in minutes at stations regularly located though out the country of refuel in hours.

Look this is just another bout of nails fisting himself, nothing to see here.

You're wrong:

War also matters: it's called Jet Planes hitting the world trade centres to wake greedy baby boomers the f* (* up

http://i.imgur.com/uUSyYfv.jpg

Are you off your meds again you certifiable fkktard?

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Re: Tesla to produce Semi Truck to kill off Diesel
Reply #58 - Jun 10^th, 2017 at 2:07pm

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 4:46pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 1:23pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 12:35pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 11:51am:

lee wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 11:39am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 6^th, 2017 at 11:55pm:

Requiring lots of energy !! May as well charge up batteries with that energy

"33.70 kWh has 100% of the energy of one gallon of gasoline."

https://www.afdc.energy.gov/fuels/fuel_comparison_chart.pdf

The 14 kWh powerwall is listed as 120kg, so about 2.5 powerwalls per gallon of gasoline.

Lee disgraces itself again. Not all the energy in petrol is converted into kinetic energy by car engines. In fact it is less than 20% conversion if all driving conditions are averaged in.

Whereas the conversion efficiency from a battery is in the order of 90% in tems of energy output as a percentage of energy input by charging.

Denizen lee is the master of obfuscation and misdirection:

https://www.google.co.th/search?q=average+efficiency+of+car+engine&oq=average+ef...

Quote:

The efficiency by which they do so is measured in terms of "thermal efficiency", and most gasoline combustion engines average around 20 percent thermal efficiency. Diesels are typically higher--approaching 40 percent in some cases.Apr 14, 2014
Toyota Gasoline Engine Achieves Thermal Efficiency Of 38 Percent
www.greencarreports.com/.../1091436_toyota-gasoline-engine-achieves-thermal-efficie...

Refueling is the only thing that matters when it comes to long distance truck haulage as is the case here.

Refuel in minutes at stations regularly located though out the country of refuel in hours.

Look this is just another bout of nails fisting himself, nothing to see here.

You'd know all about fisting.

People and businesses want to pay as little as possible for energy so renewable energy is the answer. Seeing that no driver drives a truck for 24 hours a day there is perfect opportunity to recharge it during its off road time. How do you think the Tindo electric bus service work in Adelaide ??

http://reneweconomy.com.au/adelaide-creates-worlds-first-solar-powered-public-tr...

You are utterly clueless aren't you?

How much do you thinks it costs to have a truck barely halfway through its journey stood down in the middle of bumfkk nowhere while getting 'cheap energy'?

The buses leave the depot and return to the depot the same day, long haul trucking does not work like that you fkking dolt.

Long Haul trucking is what Jevons Paradox is all about: wasting the worlds precious resources on a JIT culture that simply spells greed!

Jevons Paradox makes the rich richer but it's actually just stealing: thus war results!

We all know you love war don't we buddy Wink

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Re: Tesla to produce Semi Truck to kill off Diesel
Reply #59 - Jun 11^th, 2017 at 2:24pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 1:23pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 12:35pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 11:51am:

lee wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 11:39am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 6^th, 2017 at 11:55pm:

Requiring lots of energy !! May as well charge up batteries with that energy

"33.70 kWh has 100% of the energy of one gallon of gasoline."

https://www.afdc.energy.gov/fuels/fuel_comparison_chart.pdf

The 14 kWh powerwall is listed as 120kg, so about 2.5 powerwalls per gallon of gasoline.

Lee disgraces itself again. Not all the energy in petrol is converted into kinetic energy by car engines. In fact it is less than 20% conversion if all driving conditions are averaged in.

Whereas the conversion efficiency from a battery is in the order of 90% in tems of energy output as a percentage of energy input by charging.

Denizen lee is the master of obfuscation and misdirection:

https://www.google.co.th/search?q=average+efficiency+of+car+engine&oq=average+ef...

Quote:

The efficiency by which they do so is measured in terms of "thermal efficiency", and most gasoline combustion engines average around 20 percent thermal efficiency. Diesels are typically higher--approaching 40 percent in some cases.Apr 14, 2014
Toyota Gasoline Engine Achieves Thermal Efficiency Of 38 Percent
www.greencarreports.com/.../1091436_toyota-gasoline-engine-achieves-thermal-efficie...

Refueling is the only thing that matters when it comes to long distance truck haulage as is the case here.

Refuel in minutes at stations regularly located though out the country of refuel in hours.

Look this is just another bout of nails fisting himself, nothing to see here.

You'd know all about fisting.

People and businesses want to pay as little as possible for energy so renewable energy is the answer. Seeing that no driver drives a truck for 24 hours a day there is perfect opportunity to recharge it during its off road time. How do you think the Tindo electric bus service work in Adelaide ??

http://reneweconomy.com.au/adelaide-creates-worlds-first-solar-powered-public-tr...

1. Night shift step into trucks when day shift finishes.
2. Trucks need to be moved at night, they get pre loaded, shunted etc.
3. Do you have any concept of just how many trucks run around the country??
4. Its hard enough finding someplace to pull up and sleep, let alone one with an extension lead facility.
5. Truck parking bays usually dont even have toilets.....ya reckon the electricity supply is available?
6. I cant even trust my phone battery...if you reckon hauling 20plus tonnes of freight on a semi with a Samsung battery pack will float my boat you are delusional.
7. You aint worth 7.

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