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Re: Tesla to produce Semi Truck to kill off Diesel
Reply #30 - Jun 7^th, 2017 at 12:06am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 6^th, 2017 at 7:41pm:

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The Nikola One

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800 - 1,200 MILE RANGE
15 MINUTE REFILL TIME
NEVER PLUG IN
100% ELECTRIC DRIVE
THE END OF DIESEL ENGINES
1/2 THE OPERATING COST COMPARED TO DIESEL
2,000 FT. LBS TORQUE
1,000 HORSEPOWER
320 kWh BATTERY
1 MILLION MILES FREE* HYDROGEN FUEL
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Nice looking truck

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Re: Tesla to produce Semi Truck to kill off Diesel
Reply #31 - Jun 7^th, 2017 at 10:21am

SLostNail,

I think you might find there are 4 electric motors U NO 1 for each wheel as there are actually 4 wheels.

The permanent problem for electrics is the range and the long time to recharge.

Hydrogen has it all over batteries as the network is just like the existing LPG and refueling is quick and easy.

Pulling into a servo to recharge your Tesla means a half day wait while the hydrogen car just pulls in and leaves in 10 minutes or so.

The electronic complexity of the electric Tesla is a fertile field for complex very expensive problems and a service would be a nitemare with all that complex electronics to go wrong.

A well maintained reasonable new petrol or diesel car will just go on and on trouble free unless it is abused.

With electric Tesla there is the ever present fear of a flat battery despite all the beeps and GPS guidance to the nearest recharge 100kms away.

Imagine the cost of a 100km tow - $1000.00!!!

Hydrogen is all the go and networks are already being built. You can actually run a petrol car on hydrogen gas. Needs special oil tho like LPG.

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Re: Tesla to produce Semi Truck to kill off Diesel
Reply #32 - Jun 7^th, 2017 at 10:22am

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 12:06am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 6^th, 2017 at 7:41pm:

https://nikolamotor.com/threesixty/1.jpg

The Nikola One

Nikola One

100% ZERO EMISSIONS
HYDROGEN POWERED
800 - 1,200 MILE RANGE
15 MINUTE REFILL TIME
NEVER PLUG IN
100% ELECTRIC DRIVE
THE END OF DIESEL ENGINES
1/2 THE OPERATING COST COMPARED TO DIESEL
2,000 FT. LBS TORQUE
1,000 HORSEPOWER
320 kWh BATTERY
1 MILLION MILES FREE* HYDROGEN FUEL
REGENERATIVE BRAKING
NO COMPETITION

Nice looking truck

No hydrogen fool bowsers anywhere but I never hear juliar whinge about that !!

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Re: Tesla to produce Semi Truck to kill off Diesel
Reply #33 - Jun 7^th, 2017 at 10:26am

juliar wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 10:21am:

SLostNail,

I think you might find there are 4 electric motors U NO 1 for each wheel as there are actually 4 wheels.

The permanent problem for electrics is the range and the long time to recharge.

Hydrogen has it all over batteries as the network is just like the existing LPG and refueling is quick and easy.

Pulling into a servo to recharge your Tesla means a half day wait while the hydrogen car just pulls in and leaves in 10 minutes or so.

The electronic complexity of the electric Tesla is a fertile field for complex very expensive problems and a service would be a nitemare with all that complex electronics to go wrong.

A well maintained reasonable new petrol or diesel car will just go on and on trouble free unless it is abused.

With electric Tesla there is the ever present fear of a flat battery despite all the beeps and GPS guidance to the nearest recharge 100kms away.

Imagine the cost of a 100km tow - $1000.00!!!

Hydrogen is all the go and networks are already being built. You can actually run a petrol car on hydrogen gas. Needs special oil tho like LPG.

Tesla hasn't released details of its charging so don't draw conclusions. One thing is for sure trucks are not driven 24 hours a day so there is plenty of time for a charge or top-up. This fact seems to allude you.

Also all modern fossil fool cars have complex electronics for the engine management etc. This fact also seems to allude you.

And this hydrogen rubbish was supposed to be here 20 years ago and today it is still 20 years off into the future Cheesy

LOL

Only someone who was brain damaged would ignore the warning light for a charge. Note that you haven't said anything about the warning light when you run low on petrol.

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Re: Tesla to produce Semi Truck to kill off Diesel
Reply #34 - Jun 7^th, 2017 at 10:40am

SLostNail,

As an armchair arm waving Greenie you get a tick for persistence (stubborness) but not for your missing technical knowhow which is simply being copied off Greenie Propaganda Web Sites.

But like all Greenie types you will just go on and on till the cows come home and still say nothing. Reminds one of Bull Shorten.

In the mean time in between time diesel will continue to power the BIG TRUCKS hauling 50tonne loads across Australia.

In case you were unaware LNG is widely used for public transport buses. LNG is a gas (methane) in case you did not know.

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Re: Tesla to produce Semi Truck to kill off Diesel
Reply #35 - Jun 7^th, 2017 at 10:53am

juliar wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 10:40am:

SLostNail,

As an armchair arm waving Greenie you get a tick for persistence (stubborness) but not for your missing technical knowhow which is simply being copied off Greenie Propaganda Web Sites.

But like all Greenie types you will just go on and on till the cows come home and still say nothing. Reminds one of Bull Shorten.

In the mean time in between time diesel will continue to power the BIG TRUCKS hauling 50tonne loads across Australia.

In case you were unaware LNG is widely used for public transport buses. LNG is a gas (methane) in case you did not know.

You need to deal with realities. There is only a finite amount of fossil fool on the planet and sooner or later it is going to run out not to mention irreversibly damage the environment so cut with the greenie propaganda nonsense. It is you who thinks the current status quo can keep going on indefinitely. Like Abort and his 400 years of coal Cheesy

LOL

Tesla are smart people. They employ some of the smartest people around. Do you honestly think they have not thought through the energy supply chain and logistics for this ?

Contrary to your predecessor longprong58 who has been proven wrong on every count, Tesla has sort all of this out for cars so they have obviously got a plan for trucks Wink

No doubt one of the incentives is to make the energy a lot cheaper than filling up two large tanks with Diesel or hydrogen. People who own these new trucks will work around the new paradigm and adjust their business model accordingly in exchange for saving bucket loads on their energy and service requirements Wink

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Re: Tesla to produce Semi Truck to kill off Diesel
Reply #36 - Jun 7^th, 2017 at 11:39am

Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 6^th, 2017 at 11:55pm:

Requiring lots of energy !! May as well charge up batteries with that energy

"33.70 kWh has 100% of the energy of one gallon of gasoline."

https://www.afdc.energy.gov/fuels/fuel_comparison_chart.pdf

The 14 kWh powerwall is listed as 120kg, so about 2.5 powerwalls per gallon of gasoline.

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Re: Tesla to produce Semi Truck to kill off Diesel
Reply #37 - Jun 7^th, 2017 at 11:51am

lee wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 11:39am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 6^th, 2017 at 11:55pm:

Requiring lots of energy !! May as well charge up batteries with that energy

"33.70 kWh has 100% of the energy of one gallon of gasoline."

https://www.afdc.energy.gov/fuels/fuel_comparison_chart.pdf

The 14 kWh powerwall is listed as 120kg, so about 2.5 powerwalls per gallon of gasoline.

Lee disgraces itself again. Not all the energy in petrol is converted into kinetic energy by car engines. In fact it is less than 20% conversion if all driving conditions are averaged in.

Whereas the conversion efficiency from a battery is in the order of 90% in tems of energy output as a percentage of energy input by charging.

Denizen lee is the master of obfuscation and misdirection:

https://www.google.co.th/search?q=average+efficiency+of+car+engine&oq=average+ef...

Quote:

The efficiency by which they do so is measured in terms of "thermal efficiency", and most gasoline combustion engines average around 20 percent thermal efficiency. Diesels are typically higher--approaching 40 percent in some cases.Apr 14, 2014
Toyota Gasoline Engine Achieves Thermal Efficiency Of 38 Percent
www.greencarreports.com/.../1091436_toyota-gasoline-engine-achieves-thermal-efficie...

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Re: Tesla to produce Semi Truck to kill off Diesel
Reply #38 - Jun 7^th, 2017 at 12:30pm

lee wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 11:39am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 6^th, 2017 at 11:55pm:

Requiring lots of energy !! May as well charge up batteries with that energy

"33.70 kWh has 100% of the energy of one gallon of gasoline."

https://www.afdc.energy.gov/fuels/fuel_comparison_chart.pdf

The 14 kWh powerwall is listed as 120kg, so about 2.5 powerwalls per gallon of gasoline.

what about hydrogen ??

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Re: Tesla to produce Semi Truck to kill off Diesel
Reply #39 - Jun 7^th, 2017 at 12:34pm

Unforgiven wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 11:51am:

lee wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 11:39am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 6^th, 2017 at 11:55pm:

Requiring lots of energy !! May as well charge up batteries with that energy

"33.70 kWh has 100% of the energy of one gallon of gasoline."

https://www.afdc.energy.gov/fuels/fuel_comparison_chart.pdf

The 14 kWh powerwall is listed as 120kg, so about 2.5 powerwalls per gallon of gasoline.

Lee disgraces itself again. Not all the energy in petrol is converted into kinetic energy by car engines. In fact it is less than 20% conversion if all driving conditions are averaged in.

Whereas the conversion efficiency from a battery is in the order of 90% in tems of energy output as a percentage of energy input by charging.

Denizen lee is the master of obfuscation and misdirection:

https://www.google.co.th/search?q=average+efficiency+of+car+engine&oq=average+ef...

Quote:

The efficiency by which they do so is measured in terms of "thermal efficiency", and most gasoline combustion engines average around 20 percent thermal efficiency. Diesels are typically higher--approaching 40 percent in some cases.Apr 14, 2014
Toyota Gasoline Engine Achieves Thermal Efficiency Of 38 Percent
www.greencarreports.com/.../1091436_toyota-gasoline-engine-achieves-thermal-efficie...

and the total well to wheels efficiency of petroleum is woeful once you extract it from crude oil from the ground, refine it and transport it across the world using polluting diesel ships and trucks etc etc It's terribly inefficient whereas the sun shines in everyone's backyard and transferring electrical energy across wires is infinitely more efficient than transporting fossil fools in trucks !!

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Re: Tesla to produce Semi Truck to kill off Diesel
Reply #40 - Jun 7^th, 2017 at 12:35pm

Unforgiven wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 11:51am:

lee wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 11:39am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 6^th, 2017 at 11:55pm:

Requiring lots of energy !! May as well charge up batteries with that energy

"33.70 kWh has 100% of the energy of one gallon of gasoline."

https://www.afdc.energy.gov/fuels/fuel_comparison_chart.pdf

The 14 kWh powerwall is listed as 120kg, so about 2.5 powerwalls per gallon of gasoline.

Lee disgraces itself again. Not all the energy in petrol is converted into kinetic energy by car engines. In fact it is less than 20% conversion if all driving conditions are averaged in.

Whereas the conversion efficiency from a battery is in the order of 90% in tems of energy output as a percentage of energy input by charging.

Denizen lee is the master of obfuscation and misdirection:

https://www.google.co.th/search?q=average+efficiency+of+car+engine&oq=average+ef...

Quote:

The efficiency by which they do so is measured in terms of "thermal efficiency", and most gasoline combustion engines average around 20 percent thermal efficiency. Diesels are typically higher--approaching 40 percent in some cases.Apr 14, 2014
Toyota Gasoline Engine Achieves Thermal Efficiency Of 38 Percent
www.greencarreports.com/.../1091436_toyota-gasoline-engine-achieves-thermal-efficie...

Refueling is the only thing that matters when it comes to long distance truck haulage as is the case here.

Refuel in minutes at stations regularly located though out the country of refuel in hours.

Look this is just another bout of nails fisting himself, nothing to see here.

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Re: Tesla to produce Semi Truck to kill off Diesel
Reply #41 - Jun 7^th, 2017 at 1:07pm

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 12:35pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 11:51am:

lee wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 11:39am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 6^th, 2017 at 11:55pm:

Requiring lots of energy !! May as well charge up batteries with that energy

"33.70 kWh has 100% of the energy of one gallon of gasoline."

https://www.afdc.energy.gov/fuels/fuel_comparison_chart.pdf

The 14 kWh powerwall is listed as 120kg, so about 2.5 powerwalls per gallon of gasoline.

Lee disgraces itself again. Not all the energy in petrol is converted into kinetic energy by car engines. In fact it is less than 20% conversion if all driving conditions are averaged in.

Whereas the conversion efficiency from a battery is in the order of 90% in tems of energy output as a percentage of energy input by charging.

Denizen lee is the master of obfuscation and misdirection:

https://www.google.co.th/search?q=average+efficiency+of+car+engine&oq=average+ef...

Quote:

The efficiency by which they do so is measured in terms of "thermal efficiency", and most gasoline combustion engines average around 20 percent thermal efficiency. Diesels are typically higher--approaching 40 percent in some cases.Apr 14, 2014
Toyota Gasoline Engine Achieves Thermal Efficiency Of 38 Percent
www.greencarreports.com/.../1091436_toyota-gasoline-engine-achieves-thermal-efficie...

Refueling is the only thing that matters when it comes to long distance truck haulage as is the case here.

Refuel in minutes at stations regularly located though out the country of refuel in hours.

Look this is just another bout of nails fisting himself, nothing to see here.

You evidently did not read the post which stated a 1,200 mile range.

Power is supplied from fuel cell charging batteries.

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Re: Tesla to produce Semi Truck to kill off Diesel
Reply #42 - Jun 7^th, 2017 at 1:23pm

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 12:35pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 11:51am:

lee wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 11:39am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 6^th, 2017 at 11:55pm:

Requiring lots of energy !! May as well charge up batteries with that energy

"33.70 kWh has 100% of the energy of one gallon of gasoline."

https://www.afdc.energy.gov/fuels/fuel_comparison_chart.pdf

The 14 kWh powerwall is listed as 120kg, so about 2.5 powerwalls per gallon of gasoline.

Lee disgraces itself again. Not all the energy in petrol is converted into kinetic energy by car engines. In fact it is less than 20% conversion if all driving conditions are averaged in.

Whereas the conversion efficiency from a battery is in the order of 90% in tems of energy output as a percentage of energy input by charging.

Denizen lee is the master of obfuscation and misdirection:

https://www.google.co.th/search?q=average+efficiency+of+car+engine&oq=average+ef...

Quote:

The efficiency by which they do so is measured in terms of "thermal efficiency", and most gasoline combustion engines average around 20 percent thermal efficiency. Diesels are typically higher--approaching 40 percent in some cases.Apr 14, 2014
Toyota Gasoline Engine Achieves Thermal Efficiency Of 38 Percent
www.greencarreports.com/.../1091436_toyota-gasoline-engine-achieves-thermal-efficie...

Refueling is the only thing that matters when it comes to long distance truck haulage as is the case here.

Refuel in minutes at stations regularly located though out the country of refuel in hours.

Look this is just another bout of nails fisting himself, nothing to see here.

You'd know all about fisting.

People and businesses want to pay as little as possible for energy so renewable energy is the answer. Seeing that no driver drives a truck for 24 hours a day there is perfect opportunity to recharge it during its off road time. How do you think the Tindo electric bus service work in Adelaide ??

http://reneweconomy.com.au/adelaide-creates-worlds-first-solar-powered-public-tr...

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Re: Tesla to produce Semi Truck to kill off Diesel
Reply #43 - Jun 7^th, 2017 at 4:27pm

Exchange batteries are probably the way to go for electric vehicles, probably quicker that filling a 300 litre fuel tank.

I am in favour of electric vehicles and I am sure the technology will keep improving.

But I have no illusions of them being cheaper that petrol or diesel vehicles.
The government will tax the road you drive on if they cant tax the fuel, they will tax the tyres, whatever it takes they will milk you.

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Re: Tesla to produce Semi Truck to kill off Diesel
Reply #44 - Jun 7^th, 2017 at 4:46pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 1:23pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 12:35pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 11:51am:

lee wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 11:39am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 6^th, 2017 at 11:55pm:

Requiring lots of energy !! May as well charge up batteries with that energy

"33.70 kWh has 100% of the energy of one gallon of gasoline."

https://www.afdc.energy.gov/fuels/fuel_comparison_chart.pdf

The 14 kWh powerwall is listed as 120kg, so about 2.5 powerwalls per gallon of gasoline.

Lee disgraces itself again. Not all the energy in petrol is converted into kinetic energy by car engines. In fact it is less than 20% conversion if all driving conditions are averaged in.

Whereas the conversion efficiency from a battery is in the order of 90% in tems of energy output as a percentage of energy input by charging.

Denizen lee is the master of obfuscation and misdirection:

https://www.google.co.th/search?q=average+efficiency+of+car+engine&oq=average+ef...

Quote:

The efficiency by which they do so is measured in terms of "thermal efficiency", and most gasoline combustion engines average around 20 percent thermal efficiency. Diesels are typically higher--approaching 40 percent in some cases.Apr 14, 2014
Toyota Gasoline Engine Achieves Thermal Efficiency Of 38 Percent
www.greencarreports.com/.../1091436_toyota-gasoline-engine-achieves-thermal-efficie...

Refueling is the only thing that matters when it comes to long distance truck haulage as is the case here.

Refuel in minutes at stations regularly located though out the country of refuel in hours.

Look this is just another bout of nails fisting himself, nothing to see here.

You'd know all about fisting.

People and businesses want to pay as little as possible for energy so renewable energy is the answer. Seeing that no driver drives a truck for 24 hours a day there is perfect opportunity to recharge it during its off road time. How do you think the Tindo electric bus service work in Adelaide ??

http://reneweconomy.com.au/adelaide-creates-worlds-first-solar-powered-public-tr...

You are utterly clueless aren't you?

How much do you thinks it costs to have a truck barely halfway through its journey stood down in the middle of bumfkk nowhere while getting 'cheap energy'?

The buses leave the depot and return to the depot the same day, long haul trucking does not work like that you fkking dolt.

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