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Reply #45 - May 13^th, 2017 at 5:52pm

Who do you think owns them Aussie?

What exactly are you blaming the west for? And why do you think it "started" in 1948?

Do you disagree with any of this...?

The Arab Muslims have been conquering and destroying western civilisation for 1400 years. They have only focused on each other since the west stopped them focusing on Europe and Africa, in particular raiding them for slaves. They do not choose to fight each other and only attack us if we attack them. They choose to attack us and only attack each other when they have nothing better to do.

Were it not for European interference, and later American interference, the Muslims would have conquered Europe also. As it is, they captured almost all of western civilisation and turned the most advanced societies on earth into some of the most backwards. Rather than liberal democracies, Europe would be covered in slave trading poo holes that are little different from North Africa. Were it not for that interference, Muslims would still be sending regular raiding parties along the European coastline and deep into eastern Europe to capture slaves. Were it not for that interference, Muslims would still be trading millions of European and African slaves.

Perhaps this is what Aussie means when he says the west started "it". We should stay out of "their business" which is predominantly slaughtering the infidel, capturing sex slaves, and imposing Islam on us.

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Reply #46 - May 13^th, 2017 at 5:58pm

You do remember the Hebrews and Jerusalem, Christ and the Romans right Aussie... You do remember people like Alexander The Great right?
Man has been at war; man against man, tribe against tribe, nation against nation forever and a day right?

Why do you think The Holy Lands are called the Holy lands in the West?

Roman (63 B.C. — 324 A.D.)

c.30-33 Death and resurrection of Jesus

66 Jewish rebellion ignites war with Rome; Christians flee city

70 Roman army led by Titus destroys Jerusalem and Jewish Temple

132—135 Bar Kokhba leads second Jewish revolt

135Emperor Hadrian conquers Jerusalem and renames it "Aelia Capitolina"; Jews are expelled from city; pagan temple built over site of Jesus ' tomb

313Edict of Milan ends persecution of Christians
The Byzantine Period (324-638)

324 Constantine becomes sole ruler of Roman Empire and decides to shift capital from Rome to Byzantium (Constantinople)

325 Eusebius publishes Church History; Macanus, bishop of Jerusalem, attends Council of Nicaea

326 Constantine orders construction of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre; excavation uncovers tomb of Christ and supposedly pieces of the Cross

c. 326-328 Queen Helena visits Palestine and builds churches 333 "Bordeaux Pilgrim" visits Palestine and keeps a travel diary

335Church of the Holy Sepulcher is dedicated for worship

337 Constantine dies; Eusebius publishes Life of Constantine

339 Dedication of the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem

c.348 —387 Cyril is bishop of Jerusalem

362—365 Emperor Julian "the Apostate" tries to reestablish pagan worship and promises to rebuild Jewish Temple

373 Melania the Elder and Rufinus found monastic communities on the Mount of Olives

384—386 Jerome and Paula establish monastery in Bethlehem

384—387 Egeria travels in the East and keeps a detailed account of her trip

391 Emperor Theodosius the Great outlaws paganism, making Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire

c. 400 Rabbis in Tiberias compile Jerusalem Talmud

405 Euthymius, a monk from Armenia, settles in the Judean desert

410 Visigoths sack Rome

443 Empress Eudocia is banished and settles in Jerusalem, improving the city and its walls

451 Council of Chalcedon defines two natures of Christ; Jerusalem becomes the fifth patriarchate (with Constantinople, Rome, Alexandria, and Antioch)

516 Sabas and monks of Palestine gather to support Chalcedon

527—565 Byzantine Palestine reaches its height during the reign of Emperor Justinian

555—558 Cyril of Scythopolis writes biographies of the monks of Palestine

614 Persians sack Jerusalem

630 Emperor Heraclius invades Persia & recovers the True Cross, returning it to Jerusalem
Early Arab (638-1099)

639 Jerusalem surrenders to Muslim Caliph Umar

Oh dear quite a history right.... seems Rome Conquered the Holy Lands and made it part of Rome. Which became the centre of Christianity in Europe... you know the POPE and all that.

When along came the Muslims and conquered Jerusalem a major Roman city and heart of Christianity.

A few hundred years later a POPE thought it was time to take it back. Roll Eyes

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39469 Gender:	Re: Blame the West Reply #47 - May 13^th, 2017 at 6:03pm And.....when did the Holy Lands become property of the West? You keep forgetting to answer that, but I'll bet you reply that I am too dumb (given what a gargantuan intellect you are) to see that you have, when in fact what I (and all the mere simpletons here) have seen is you do everything except answer that simple question.
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Reply #48 - May 13^th, 2017 at 6:23pm

Aussie wrote on May 13^th, 2017 at 6:03pm:

And.....when did the Holy Lands become property of the West?

You keep forgetting to answer that, but I'll bet you reply that I am too dumb (given what a gargantuan intellect you are) to see that you have, when in fact what I (and all the mere simpletons here) have seen is you do everything except answer that simple question.

Sorry was that too complicated for you....
BTW it does answer your stupid question though as well as once more show you you were completely wrong from the start.

You could of course already learned that if you understood what I wrote or took SN's advice and used google, believe me it aint rocket science. Cheesy

Keep your flaming and trolling to yourself... I'm not interested in it. Roll Eyes

Better still... REPORT YOURSELF to a mod. Grin

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39469 Gender:	Re: Blame the West Reply #49 - May 13^th, 2017 at 6:28pm Grendel, it is a simple question. How about an equally simple and direct answer: When did the Holy Lands become "property of the West?"
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Re: Blame the West
Reply #50 - May 13^th, 2017 at 6:43pm

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Cat got your tongue, Super Nova? You going to 'man up?'

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1494408657/18#18

I don't post in your swamp aussie if I don't have too. If you have something to say, say it here or there but I am not getting sucked in.

Don't try and deflect and have control.

Man up aussie or forever be stained with the accusation I didn't make.

It was made against YOU. It is not for me to pursue even though I could be the one at risk. You sort it big boy. I look forward to the resolution and truth appearing.

PS: The person making this allegation is, in my personal experience, someone of integrity.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51348 At my desk.	Re: Blame the West Reply #51 - May 13^th, 2017 at 7:17pm Four pages in and we still don't even know what Aussie blames the west for.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51348 At my desk.	Re: Blame the West Reply #53 - May 13^th, 2017 at 7:21pm What exactly is this "chit" you are blaming the west for?
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Reply #54 - May 13^th, 2017 at 7:32pm

freediver wrote on May 13^th, 2017 at 7:21pm:

What exactly is this "chit" you are blaming the west for?

The 'chit' which is the direct consequence of Bush's War on Terror, and more generally Western interference in the ME. How many times must I give you the same answer, Effendi? The answer will not change no matter how many times you ask the same dumb question.

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Reply #56 - May 13^th, 2017 at 8:01pm

freediver wrote on May 13^th, 2017 at 7:44pm:

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The 'chit' which is the direct consequence of Bush's War on Terror, and more generally Western interference in the ME.

And this started in 1948?

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How many times must I give you the same answer, Effendi?

Twice would be a good start.

As I said....that could be argued. I also referred to Kuwait. Did the West stick its nose in there, Effendi....and then.....when Saddam was booted out of Kuwait, did we stop at the border, or did we totally destroy a Sovereign State?

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Reply #57 - May 13^th, 2017 at 8:38pm

The claim that the West is responsible for the Middle East is getting easier to make. Especially since George W Bush convinced Blair, Howard and several European leaders to back his invasion of Iraq. It was an intentional smoke screen. Bush was faced with a problem. See him biting his lip in the school room when the Muzlims crashed the planes into the WTC - 911? He did not plan it, and there were at least two people in the US, that day, who knew exactly who was responsible: Those two were George W and me.

But George had to think fast, not something he was good at. Sure, Osama bin Laden sanctioned it, but the Wahabs sanctioned bin Laden, and the Saudi Royal family protect the Wahhabs, and the Bush family are in business with the Saudi family.

So Bush had to find some way to get the heat of the Sauds and by connection, his own family, and conveniently, the stooge Saddam was there like a sitting duck.

In that much, the mess is of Bush and Western making, but that does not clear Wahhabs or the Iranian Islamic Republic from their desire to spread Islam and murder those who do not believe their superstition. And that is really what this is all about. Muzlim fundamentalism, a system of belief which is ready to kill everyone in the name of Allah, and that includes themselves.

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Re: Blame the West
Reply #58 - May 13^th, 2017 at 8:46pm

issuevoter wrote on May 13^th, 2017 at 8:38pm:

The claim that the West is responsible for the Middle East is getting easier to make. Especially since George W Bush convinced Blair, Howard and several European leaders to back his invasion of Iraq. It was an intentional smoke screen. Bush was faced with a problem. See him biting his lip in the school room when the Muzlims crashed the planes into the WTC - 911? He did not plan it, and there were at least two people in the US, that day, who knew exactly who was responsible: Those two were George W and me.

But George had to think fast, not something he was good at. Sure, Osama bin Laden sanctioned it, but the Wahabs sanctioned bin Laden, and the Saudi Royal family protect the Wahhabs, and the Bush family are in business with the Saudi family.

So Bush had to find some way to get the heat of the Sauds and by connection, his own family, and conveniently, the stooge Saddam was there like a sitting duck.

In that much, the mess is of Bush and Western making, but that does not clear Wahhabs or the Iranian Islamic Republic from their desire to spread Islam and murder those who do not believe their superstition. And that is really what this is all about. Muzlim fundamentalism, a system of belief which is ready to kill everyone in the name of Allah, and that includes themselves.

Yeas.....but instead of going after the Saudis (who were the pricks who were behind 9/11) the West chose an easier patsy to beat the chit out of......Afghanistan.

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Re: Blame the West
Reply #59 - May 13^th, 2017 at 8:51pm

Aussie wrote on May 13^th, 2017 at 8:01pm:

freediver wrote on May 13^th, 2017 at 7:44pm:

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The 'chit' which is the direct consequence of Bush's War on Terror, and more generally Western interference in the ME.

And this started in 1948?

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How many times must I give you the same answer, Effendi?

Twice would be a good start.

As I said....that could be argued. I also referred to Kuwait. Did the West stick its nose in there, Effendi....and then.....when Saddam was booted out of Kuwait, did we stop at the border, or did we totally destroy a Sovereign State?

It could be argued that the direct consequences of Bush's war on terror started in 1948?

What exactly are you blaming the west for?

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Yeas.....but instead of going after the Saudis (who were the pricks who were behind 9/11) the West chose an easier patsy to beat the chit out of......Afghanistan.

The Taliban had declared war on the US Aussie.

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