Australian Politics Forum - RIP Seperation of Church and State

John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: RIP Seperation of Church and State Reply #30 - May 15^th, 2017 at 4:45pm Richdude wrote on May 14^th, 2017 at 3:05pm: I am not religious but I notice that religious people are happier than those who are not. I'm calling bullsh1t.
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Re: RIP Seperation of Church and State
Reply #31 - May 15^th, 2017 at 5:16pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 15^th, 2017 at 4:24pm:

mothra wrote on May 15^th, 2017 at 7:12am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 14^th, 2017 at 5:49pm:

Raven wrote on May 14^th, 2017 at 3:14am:

Religion is what we have because our ancestors did not know what thunder was or where the sun went at night.

It was our first attempt to explain the world around us. An eclipse "The sun god is angry at us, we must make a sacrifice" God is an ever receding entity, in the light of scientific understanding.

Even the Christian god is no better then the pagan gods of old. A human sacrifice to ensure the survival of the rest of us.

Your ignorance on religion and Christianity is not a substitute for actual reasoning.

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Careful Longy, you don't want to come across as dismissive and patronising now, do you?

Surely you must be educated enough to realise that many people consider reasoning and religion to be mutually exclusive.

Is your counter argument to Raven based on anything other than perception? If so, what?

Otherwise, you cannot legitimately fault Raven's reasoning. You can disagree with his conclusions, sure, but i see no valid counter argument to challenge his reasoning.

That's only for people who already reject religion therefore making that assertion nothing more than confirmation bias. A proper debate on this topic belongs elsewhere but also demands credible and articulate discussion therefore excluding the vast majority of people here.

Not at all. That does not explain the great many people who were raised religious but rejected it as they grew, in the face of a wider sphere of influence.

I count myself among their numbers.

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Re: RIP Seperation of Church and State
Reply #32 - May 15^th, 2017 at 5:45pm

mothra wrote on May 15^th, 2017 at 5:16pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 15^th, 2017 at 4:24pm:

mothra wrote on May 15^th, 2017 at 7:12am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 14^th, 2017 at 5:49pm:

Raven wrote on May 14^th, 2017 at 3:14am:

Religion is what we have because our ancestors did not know what thunder was or where the sun went at night.

It was our first attempt to explain the world around us. An eclipse "The sun god is angry at us, we must make a sacrifice" God is an ever receding entity, in the light of scientific understanding.

Even the Christian god is no better then the pagan gods of old. A human sacrifice to ensure the survival of the rest of us.

Your ignorance on religion and Christianity is not a substitute for actual reasoning.

\

Careful Longy, you don't want to come across as dismissive and patronising now, do you?

Surely you must be educated enough to realise that many people consider reasoning and religion to be mutually exclusive.

Is your counter argument to Raven based on anything other than perception? If so, what?

Otherwise, you cannot legitimately fault Raven's reasoning. You can disagree with his conclusions, sure, but i see no valid counter argument to challenge his reasoning.

That's only for people who already reject religion therefore making that assertion nothing more than confirmation bias. A proper debate on this topic belongs elsewhere but also demands credible and articulate discussion therefore excluding the vast majority of people here.

Not at all. That does not explain the great many people who were raised religious but rejected it as they grew, in the face of a wider sphere of influence.

I count myself among their numbers.

Again, confirmation bias. Then how do you account for the rapid growth of the Christian church outside of the west and the largely static (ie not reducing) count in the west.

You are speaking solely from your own experience and extrapolating it. And since you are poorly regarding in the intelligence area, you are hardly a great advertisment for your opinion.

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Re: RIP Seperation of Church and State
Reply #33 - May 15^th, 2017 at 6:04pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 15^th, 2017 at 5:45pm:

mothra wrote on May 15^th, 2017 at 5:16pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 15^th, 2017 at 4:24pm:

mothra wrote on May 15^th, 2017 at 7:12am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 14^th, 2017 at 5:49pm:

Raven wrote on May 14^th, 2017 at 3:14am:

Religion is what we have because our ancestors did not know what thunder was or where the sun went at night.

It was our first attempt to explain the world around us. An eclipse "The sun god is angry at us, we must make a sacrifice" God is an ever receding entity, in the light of scientific understanding.

Even the Christian god is no better then the pagan gods of old. A human sacrifice to ensure the survival of the rest of us.

Your ignorance on religion and Christianity is not a substitute for actual reasoning.

\

Careful Longy, you don't want to come across as dismissive and patronising now, do you?

Surely you must be educated enough to realise that many people consider reasoning and religion to be mutually exclusive.

Is your counter argument to Raven based on anything other than perception? If so, what?

Otherwise, you cannot legitimately fault Raven's reasoning. You can disagree with his conclusions, sure, but i see no valid counter argument to challenge his reasoning.

That's only for people who already reject religion therefore making that assertion nothing more than confirmation bias. A proper debate on this topic belongs elsewhere but also demands credible and articulate discussion therefore excluding the vast majority of people here.

Not at all. That does not explain the great many people who were raised religious but rejected it as they grew, in the face of a wider sphere of influence.

I count myself among their numbers.

Again, confirmation bias. Then how do you account for the rapid growth of the Christian church outside of the west and the largely static (ie not reducing) count in the west.

You are speaking solely from your own experience and extrapolating it. And since you are poorly regarding in the intelligence area, you are hardly a great advertisment for your opinion.

Lol! Longy gets insulting when he can't answer a question. Again.

Are you really so insecure you must resort to such juvenile tactics?

I think you are, aren't you.

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Re: RIP Seperation of Church and State
Reply #34 - May 16^th, 2017 at 12:18am

John Smith wrote on May 15^th, 2017 at 4:45pm:

Richdude wrote on May 14^th, 2017 at 3:05pm:

I am not religious but I notice that religious people are happier than those who are not.

I'm calling bullsh1t.

Which part?

The latter is self evident if you travel around the World.

Do you think that because I have a strong sense of whats right or wrong I must be religious? Cheesy

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Re: RIP Seperation of Church and State
Reply #35 - May 16^th, 2017 at 9:55am

mothra wrote on May 15^th, 2017 at 6:04pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 15^th, 2017 at 5:45pm:

mothra wrote on May 15^th, 2017 at 5:16pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 15^th, 2017 at 4:24pm:

mothra wrote on May 15^th, 2017 at 7:12am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 14^th, 2017 at 5:49pm:

Raven wrote on May 14^th, 2017 at 3:14am:

Religion is what we have because our ancestors did not know what thunder was or where the sun went at night.

It was our first attempt to explain the world around us. An eclipse "The sun god is angry at us, we must make a sacrifice" God is an ever receding entity, in the light of scientific understanding.

Even the Christian god is no better then the pagan gods of old. A human sacrifice to ensure the survival of the rest of us.

Your ignorance on religion and Christianity is not a substitute for actual reasoning.

\

Careful Longy, you don't want to come across as dismissive and patronising now, do you?

Surely you must be educated enough to realise that many people consider reasoning and religion to be mutually exclusive.

Is your counter argument to Raven based on anything other than perception? If so, what?

Otherwise, you cannot legitimately fault Raven's reasoning. You can disagree with his conclusions, sure, but i see no valid counter argument to challenge his reasoning.

That's only for people who already reject religion therefore making that assertion nothing more than confirmation bias. A proper debate on this topic belongs elsewhere but also demands credible and articulate discussion therefore excluding the vast majority of people here.

Not at all. That does not explain the great many people who were raised religious but rejected it as they grew, in the face of a wider sphere of influence.

I count myself among their numbers.

Again, confirmation bias. Then how do you account for the rapid growth of the Christian church outside of the west and the largely static (ie not reducing) count in the west.

You are speaking solely from your own experience and extrapolating it. And since you are poorly regarding in the intelligence area, you are hardly a great advertisment for your opinion.

Lol! Longy gets insulting when he can't answer a question. Again.

Are you really so insecure you must resort to such juvenile tactics?

I think you are, aren't you.

you are ONLY speaking from your own experience which, while valid, is only your own. And I repeat that you are not highly regarded for you brain-power or logic.

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Re: RIP Seperation of Church and State
Reply #36 - May 16^th, 2017 at 11:26am

longweekend58 wrote on May 16^th, 2017 at 9:55am: