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Re: RIP Seperation of Church and State
Reply #15 - May 12th, 2017 at 8:37pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on May 12th, 2017 at 12:24pm:
Panther wrote on May 12th, 2017 at 11:44am:
AiA wrote on May 11th, 2017 at 11:58pm:
Panther wrote on May 11th, 2017 at 11:51pm:
AiA wrote on May 11th, 2017 at 11:18pm:
It has been addressed by Congress.


Really....I thought that The Constitution is the Law of the Land.....All law must have it's "roots" in, & be compliant with, the US Constitution as written or defined by the Supreme Court in their decisions.

Congress is only one (1) part of the 3 independent parts of government.

But, if Congress has addressed it, specifically how....in what....where?
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Hard to believe that in 2017 someone would not know how to do a search using Google ... the law Congress passed does have its "roots" in the Constitution, if it didn't, it wouldn't be law, would it? Trump has fallen under the influence of scum like Paula White, a fraudulent minister who lives a luxury lifestyle while filing for bankruptcy.


So what, unless you are into promoting the progressive left's "Class Warfare" mantra  aka  Envy of the Successful.


Many millionaires & billionaires file for bankruptcy in their failing/faltering businesses (those worth saving), which doesn't incorporate their 'personal' holdings...they are separate under bankruptcy law... & that is all I'll say about that.....

➣ Any law that passes becomes law if it passes via the process, it only becomes unconstitutional when suit is filed, & then the Supreme Court decides it's worthy of it's attention (they pick & chose amongst the many who apply....they aren't required to listen to any they don't want to)....when the Supreme Court decides to listen to the case, & it comes to a decision, only then is it truly for or against....constitutional or unconstitutional.....& until that time the findings of lower court decision(s)..if any..will stand.

A handful of lower courts could find a law constitutional, but if taken up by the Supreme Court at a later date, & the Supreme Court decides the exact same law  unconstitutional....well all the lower courts decisions are vacated, & the law is struck as unconstitutional.

The same thing could happen if a present day Supreme Court picks up a decision made by a previous SCOTUS, & upon it's reflection decides to overturn the previous SC decision based on it's own findings.....it's overturned....fin-eee-tow!   

An example might very well be the 1970's Roe v. Wade decision somewhere down the line..... a present day court could overturn that decision if it wished, & all the howling would accomplish nothing.....it would either be wait for a more sympathetic court in the distant future to overturn, or an Amendment could be brought & passed changing the Constitution itself. Wink

We may very well be seeing something similar in this topics  Church & State case, in the near future, that is, if the Supreme Court in it's infinite wisdom  http://onesmiley.site11.com/smileys/chuckle002.gif  wants to hear it. Wink




your endless pro-SCOTUS masturbation is tiresome. none of your waffle address the OP in any form.



Good, because I wasn't addressing the OP, I was responding a direct question posed to me by AiA in the previous post....but if you knew how to read you would have known that.....but being a TROLL you don't bother reading, or adding to the discussion......you just go about being the ignorant TROLLING Twat you are....... & if you don't like my "pro-SCOTUS masturbation" then stop grabbing at my waist begging like an Oliver Twist for a mouthful of seconds!!   Grin Grin 
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Re: RIP Seperation of Church and State
Reply #16 - May 12th, 2017 at 8:42pm
 
Panther wrote on May 12th, 2017 at 8:37pm:
longweekend58 wrote on May 12th, 2017 at 12:24pm:
Panther wrote on May 12th, 2017 at 11:44am:
AiA wrote on May 11th, 2017 at 11:58pm:
Panther wrote on May 11th, 2017 at 11:51pm:
AiA wrote on May 11th, 2017 at 11:18pm:
It has been addressed by Congress.


Really....I thought that The Constitution is the Law of the Land.....All law must have it's "roots" in, & be compliant with, the US Constitution as written or defined by the Supreme Court in their decisions.

Congress is only one (1) part of the 3 independent parts of government.

But, if Congress has addressed it, specifically how....in what....where?
https://i.imgsafe.org/b9e0347.gif


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Hard to believe that in 2017 someone would not know how to do a search using Google ... the law Congress passed does have its "roots" in the Constitution, if it didn't, it wouldn't be law, would it? Trump has fallen under the influence of scum like Paula White, a fraudulent minister who lives a luxury lifestyle while filing for bankruptcy.


So what, unless you are into promoting the progressive left's "Class Warfare" mantra  aka  Envy of the Successful.


Many millionaires & billionaires file for bankruptcy in their failing/faltering businesses (those worth saving), which doesn't incorporate their 'personal' holdings...they are separate under bankruptcy law... & that is all I'll say about that.....

➣ Any law that passes becomes law if it passes via the process, it only becomes unconstitutional when suit is filed, & then the Supreme Court decides it's worthy of it's attention (they pick & chose amongst the many who apply....they aren't required to listen to any they don't want to)....when the Supreme Court decides to listen to the case, & it comes to a decision, only then is it truly for or against....constitutional or unconstitutional.....& until that time the findings of lower court decision(s)..if any..will stand.

A handful of lower courts could find a law constitutional, but if taken up by the Supreme Court at a later date, & the Supreme Court decides the exact same law  unconstitutional....well all the lower courts decisions are vacated, & the law is struck as unconstitutional.

The same thing could happen if a present day Supreme Court picks up a decision made by a previous SCOTUS, & upon it's reflection decides to overturn the previous SC decision based on it's own findings.....it's overturned....fin-eee-tow!   

An example might very well be the 1970's Roe v. Wade decision somewhere down the line..... a present day court could overturn that decision if it wished, & all the howling would accomplish nothing.....it would either be wait for a more sympathetic court in the distant future to overturn, or an Amendment could be brought & passed changing the Constitution itself. Wink

We may very well be seeing something similar in this topics  Church & State case, in the near future, that is, if the Supreme Court in it's infinite wisdom  http://onesmiley.site11.com/smileys/chuckle002.gif  wants to hear it. Wink




your endless pro-SCOTUS masturbation is tiresome. none of your waffle address the OP in any form.



Good, because I wasn't addressing the OP, I was responding a direct question posed to me by AiA in the previous post....but if you knew how to read you would have known that.....but being a TROLL you don't bother reading, or adding to the discussion......you just go about being the ignorant TROLLING Twat you are.......
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pretty much every post you make refers to SCOTUS and links back to your lamentable understanding of law and constitution or even the concepts thereof.
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Re: RIP Seperation of Church and State
Reply #17 - May 12th, 2017 at 8:46pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on May 12th, 2017 at 8:42pm:
Panther wrote on May 12th, 2017 at 8:37pm:
longweekend58 wrote on May 12th, 2017 at 12:24pm:
Panther wrote on May 12th, 2017 at 11:44am:
AiA wrote on May 11th, 2017 at 11:58pm:
Panther wrote on May 11th, 2017 at 11:51pm:
AiA wrote on May 11th, 2017 at 11:18pm:
It has been addressed by Congress.


Really....I thought that The Constitution is the Law of the Land.....All law must have it's "roots" in, & be compliant with, the US Constitution as written or defined by the Supreme Court in their decisions.

Congress is only one (1) part of the 3 independent parts of government.

But, if Congress has addressed it, specifically how....in what....where?
https://i.imgsafe.org/b9e0347.gif


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Hard to believe that in 2017 someone would not know how to do a search using Google ... the law Congress passed does have its "roots" in the Constitution, if it didn't, it wouldn't be law, would it? Trump has fallen under the influence of scum like Paula White, a fraudulent minister who lives a luxury lifestyle while filing for bankruptcy.


So what, unless you are into promoting the progressive left's "Class Warfare" mantra  aka  Envy of the Successful.


Many millionaires & billionaires file for bankruptcy in their failing/faltering businesses (those worth saving), which doesn't incorporate their 'personal' holdings...they are separate under bankruptcy law... & that is all I'll say about that.....

➣ Any law that passes becomes law if it passes via the process, it only becomes unconstitutional when suit is filed, & then the Supreme Court decides it's worthy of it's attention (they pick & chose amongst the many who apply....they aren't required to listen to any they don't want to)....when the Supreme Court decides to listen to the case, & it comes to a decision, only then is it truly for or against....constitutional or unconstitutional.....& until that time the findings of lower court decision(s)..if any..will stand.

A handful of lower courts could find a law constitutional, but if taken up by the Supreme Court at a later date, & the Supreme Court decides the exact same law  unconstitutional....well all the lower courts decisions are vacated, & the law is struck as unconstitutional.

The same thing could happen if a present day Supreme Court picks up a decision made by a previous SCOTUS, & upon it's reflection decides to overturn the previous SC decision based on it's own findings.....it's overturned....fin-eee-tow!   

An example might very well be the 1970's Roe v. Wade decision somewhere down the line..... a present day court could overturn that decision if it wished, & all the howling would accomplish nothing.....it would either be wait for a more sympathetic court in the distant future to overturn, or an Amendment could be brought & passed changing the Constitution itself. Wink

We may very well be seeing something similar in this topics  Church & State case, in the near future, that is, if the Supreme Court in it's infinite wisdom  http://onesmiley.site11.com/smileys/chuckle002.gif  wants to hear it. Wink




your endless pro-SCOTUS masturbation is tiresome. none of your waffle address the OP in any form.



Good, because I wasn't addressing the OP, I was responding a direct question posed to me by AiA in the previous post....but if you knew how to read you would have known that.....but being a TROLL you don't bother reading, or adding to the discussion......you just go about being the ignorant TROLLING Twat you are....... & if you don't like my "pro-SCOTUS masturbation" then stop grabbing at my waist begging like an Oliver Twist for a mouthful of seconds!!   Grin Grin 
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pretty much every post you make refers to SCOTUS and links back to your lamentable understanding of law and constitution or even the concepts thereof.


Looking for another mouthful of my masturbation Longy.....

I've forgotten more about the SCOTUS in one moment than you could learn in a lifetime , & you've not proven me wrong yet......because you can't.......BOY  Grin Grin
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Re: RIP Seperation of Church and State
Reply #18 - May 12th, 2017 at 8:57pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on May 12th, 2017 at 8:42pm:
Panther wrote on May 12th, 2017 at 8:37pm:
longweekend58 wrote on May 12th, 2017 at 12:24pm:
Panther wrote on May 12th, 2017 at 11:44am:
AiA wrote on May 11th, 2017 at 11:58pm:
Panther wrote on May 11th, 2017 at 11:51pm:
AiA wrote on May 11th, 2017 at 11:18pm:
It has been addressed by Congress.


Really....I thought that The Constitution is the Law of the Land.....All law must have it's "roots" in, & be compliant with, the US Constitution as written or defined by the Supreme Court in their decisions.

Congress is only one (1) part of the 3 independent parts of government.

But, if Congress has addressed it, specifically how....in what....where?
https://i.imgsafe.org/b9e0347.gif


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Hard to believe that in 2017 someone would not know how to do a search using Google ... the law Congress passed does have its "roots" in the Constitution, if it didn't, it wouldn't be law, would it? Trump has fallen under the influence of scum like Paula White, a fraudulent minister who lives a luxury lifestyle while filing for bankruptcy.


So what, unless you are into promoting the progressive left's "Class Warfare" mantra  aka  Envy of the Successful.


Many millionaires & billionaires file for bankruptcy in their failing/faltering businesses (those worth saving), which doesn't incorporate their 'personal' holdings...they are separate under bankruptcy law... & that is all I'll say about that.....

➣ Any law that passes becomes law if it passes via the process, it only becomes unconstitutional when suit is filed, & then the Supreme Court decides it's worthy of it's attention (they pick & chose amongst the many who apply....they aren't required to listen to any they don't want to)....when the Supreme Court decides to listen to the case, & it comes to a decision, only then is it truly for or against....constitutional or unconstitutional.....& until that time the findings of lower court decision(s)..if any..will stand.

A handful of lower courts could find a law constitutional, but if taken up by the Supreme Court at a later date, & the Supreme Court decides the exact same law  unconstitutional....well all the lower courts decisions are vacated, & the law is struck as unconstitutional.

The same thing could happen if a present day Supreme Court picks up a decision made by a previous SCOTUS, & upon it's reflection decides to overturn the previous SC decision based on it's own findings.....it's overturned....fin-eee-tow!   

An example might very well be the 1970's Roe v. Wade decision somewhere down the line..... a present day court could overturn that decision if it wished, & all the howling would accomplish nothing.....it would either be wait for a more sympathetic court in the distant future to overturn, or an Amendment could be brought & passed changing the Constitution itself. Wink

We may very well be seeing something similar in this topics  Church & State case, in the near future, that is, if the Supreme Court in it's infinite wisdom  http://onesmiley.site11.com/smileys/chuckle002.gif  wants to hear it. Wink




your endless pro-SCOTUS masturbation is tiresome. none of your waffle address the OP in any form.



Good, because I wasn't addressing the OP, I was responding a direct question posed to me by AiA in the previous post....but if you knew how to read you would have known that.....but being a TROLL you don't bother reading, or adding to the discussion......you just go about being the ignorant TROLLING Twat you are.......
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pretty much every post you make refers to SCOTUS and links back to your lamentable understanding of law and constitution or even the concepts thereof.


Panther struggles.

As does juliar.

If those two are 'paid-to-post', their owners should demand a refund.

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Re: RIP Seperation of Church and State
Reply #19 - May 13th, 2017 at 7:51am
 
Ultimately, the problem is what passes for "Religion." If you are cool with it, no problem. I am not. Religions often bang on about morals, but it seems lying and calling it faith is OK:

Superstition
Ignorance
Indoctrination of children before their minds are formed
Bogus origins of the Universe
Messiahs
Prophets
Life after death
State of Grace
Enlightenment
Possession by demons
Immortal souls


All of this has its origin in mankind's fear of the dark before they figured out how light a fire.

Its time to grow up.




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Re: RIP Seperation of Church and State
Reply #20 - May 13th, 2017 at 8:35am
 
issuevoter wrote on May 13th, 2017 at 7:51am:
Ultimately, the problem is what passes for "Religion." If you are cool with it, no problem. I am not. Religions often bang on about morals, but it seems lying and calling it faith is OK:

Superstition
Ignorance
Indoctrination of children before their minds are formed
Bogus origins of the Universe
Messiahs
Prophets
Life after death
State of Grace
Enlightenment
Possession by demons
Immortal souls


All of this has its origin in mankind's fear of the dark before they figured out how light a fire.

Its time to grow up.







the point is about the RIGHT to hold a religious belief or doctrine, not your personal  inability to understand it.
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Reply #21 - May 14th, 2017 at 2:53am
 
issuevoter wrote on May 13th, 2017 at 7:51am:
Ultimately, the problem is what passes for "Religion." If you are cool with it, no problem. I am not. Religions often bang on about morals, but it seems lying and calling it faith is OK:

Superstition
Ignorance
Indoctrination of children before their minds are formed
Bogus origins of the Universe
Messiahs
Prophets
Life after death
State of Grace
Enlightenment
Possession by demons
Immortal souls


All of this has its origin in mankind's fear of the dark before they figured out how light a fire.

Its time to grow up.






However your religion is nihilism and thus still a belief system.

Don't you ever look around you in awe and wonder of the World? We have only scratched the surface of what it is to be a human being. We know almost nothing about our past. Are we spiritual beings, purely material or both? How do you know there is no life after death - have you been there and come back?
In fact most of the points you have raised is your opinion and thats OK.

Perhaps I need to grow up?
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Reply #22 - May 14th, 2017 at 3:14am
 
Religion is what we have because our ancestors did not know what thunder was or where the sun went at night.

It was our first attempt to explain the world around us. An eclipse "The sun god is angry at us, we must make a sacrifice"  God is an ever receding entity, in the light of scientific understanding.

Even the Christian god is no better then the pagan gods of old. A human sacrifice to ensure the survival of the rest of us.
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Reply #23 - May 14th, 2017 at 10:14am
 
Richdude wrote on May 14th, 2017 at 2:53am:
How do you know there is no life after death - have you been there and come back?

One question that is never answered by believers in life after death...

How do they imagine life after death for those who have died from dementia, where the sufferer has permanently lost all sense of self before death?
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Reply #24 - May 14th, 2017 at 3:05pm
 
Raven wrote on May 14th, 2017 at 3:14am:
Religion is what we have because our ancestors did not know what thunder was or where the sun went at night.

It was our first attempt to explain the world around us. An eclipse "The sun god is angry at us, we must make a sacrifice"  God is an ever receding entity, in the light of scientific understanding.

Even the Christian god is no better then the pagan gods of old. A human sacrifice to ensure the survival of the rest of us.


Religion fulfills a need for us to have some certainty in this World.

I am not religious but I notice that religious people are happier than those who are not.
Hard to argue against! Wink
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Reply #25 - May 14th, 2017 at 5:49pm
 
Raven wrote on May 14th, 2017 at 3:14am:
Religion is what we have because our ancestors did not know what thunder was or where the sun went at night.

It was our first attempt to explain the world around us. An eclipse "The sun god is angry at us, we must make a sacrifice"  God is an ever receding entity, in the light of scientific understanding.

Even the Christian god is no better then the pagan gods of old. A human sacrifice to ensure the survival of the rest of us.


Your ignorance on religion and Christianity is not a substitute for actual reasoning.
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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
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Reply #26 - May 14th, 2017 at 5:50pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on May 14th, 2017 at 10:14am:
Richdude wrote on May 14th, 2017 at 2:53am:
How do you know there is no life after death - have you been there and come back?

One question that is never answered by believers in life after death...

How do they imagine life after death for those who have died from dementia, where the sufferer has permanently lost all sense of self before death?


Ive never even heard that question asked. The answer relates to the understanding of the 'self' which is not as simple as you make it out to be.
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Reply #27 - May 15th, 2017 at 4:14am
 
longweekend58 wrote on May 14th, 2017 at 5:49pm:
Raven wrote on May 14th, 2017 at 3:14am:
Religion is what we have because our ancestors did not know what thunder was or where the sun went at night.

It was our first attempt to explain the world around us. An eclipse "The sun god is angry at us, we must make a sacrifice"  God is an ever receding entity, in the light of scientific understanding.

Even the Christian god is no better then the pagan gods of old. A human sacrifice to ensure the survival of the rest of us.


Your ignorance on religion and Christianity is not a substitute for actual reasoning.


Ok give us a proper debate then.
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Reply #28 - May 15th, 2017 at 7:12am
 
longweekend58 wrote on May 14th, 2017 at 5:49pm:
Raven wrote on May 14th, 2017 at 3:14am:
Religion is what we have because our ancestors did not know what thunder was or where the sun went at night.

It was our first attempt to explain the world around us. An eclipse "The sun god is angry at us, we must make a sacrifice"  God is an ever receding entity, in the light of scientific understanding.

Even the Christian god is no better then the pagan gods of old. A human sacrifice to ensure the survival of the rest of us.


Your ignorance on religion and Christianity is not a substitute for actual reasoning.
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Careful Longy, you don't want to come across as dismissive and patronising now, do you?

Surely you must be educated enough to realise that many people consider reasoning and religion to be mutually exclusive.

Is your counter argument to Raven based on anything other than perception? If so, what?

Otherwise, you cannot legitimately fault Raven's reasoning. You can disagree with his conclusions, sure, but i see no valid counter argument to challenge his reasoning.
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Reply #29 - May 15th, 2017 at 4:24pm
 
mothra wrote on May 15th, 2017 at 7:12am:
longweekend58 wrote on May 14th, 2017 at 5:49pm:
Raven wrote on May 14th, 2017 at 3:14am:
Religion is what we have because our ancestors did not know what thunder was or where the sun went at night.

It was our first attempt to explain the world around us. An eclipse "The sun god is angry at us, we must make a sacrifice"  God is an ever receding entity, in the light of scientific understanding.

Even the Christian god is no better then the pagan gods of old. A human sacrifice to ensure the survival of the rest of us.


Your ignorance on religion and Christianity is not a substitute for actual reasoning.
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Careful Longy, you don't want to come across as dismissive and patronising now, do you?

Surely you must be educated enough to realise that many people consider reasoning and religion to be mutually exclusive.

Is your counter argument to Raven based on anything other than perception? If so, what?

Otherwise, you cannot legitimately fault Raven's reasoning. You can disagree with his conclusions, sure, but i see no valid counter argument to challenge his reasoning.


That's only for people who already reject religion therefore making that assertion nothing more than confirmation bias. A proper debate on this topic belongs elsewhere but also demands credible and articulate discussion therefore excluding the vast majority of people here.
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