Not sure what's being discussed here - but using recording devices around kids is a no-no these days.... taking photos of my grand-kids** during a visit is my own business.

There needs to be a clear dividing line.... lest one form of abuse become another...

** one got to show me where the swans nest at the park.... both girls leapt on Grampa's arms at the same time - easy to carry and such trust in leaping from a platform to be caught... even The Boy was good today and not demanding on HIS dad... parents love it when there are two older people to keep an eye on the happy wanderers ... all very lovely and intelligent kids.... good looks and brains.... and strength... and no sign of any abuse there..... kids always deserve better than that in every way.

You can see the difference between well-treated kids and badly-treated ones.... sadly.. and Luke has been told he has to keep up with his cousin who is now in first year high school and top of the class in maths and science.... and he is to be Grampa's apprentice on renovating a boat.....