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Reply #60 - May 3rd, 2017 at 3:38pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on May 3rd, 2017 at 3:19pm:
FTTH would allow the potential of smart meters to be realised.



Why would you need FTTH?

"Really? Now does a minuscule speed upgrade, less than 2 seconds, improve grid monitoring?"

Going round in circles. You haven't justified a need.
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Reply #61 - May 3rd, 2017 at 3:55pm
 
Can’t you ever stop and read and maybe learn?

There is a huge load on the ’net these days: Netflix, IoT, M2M and general stuff. So you need a network topology that can cope. That is FTTH.

FTTH, unlike FTTN, is also 100%, rock solid reliable.

Both factors mean FTTH is needed to manage power networks.

You said you were an electric/electronic guy. Can’t tell from the crap you post.
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Reply #62 - May 3rd, 2017 at 4:03pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on May 3rd, 2017 at 3:55pm:
Can’t you ever stop and read and maybe learn?

There is a huge load on the ’net these days: Netflix, IoT, M2M and general stuff. So you need a network topology that can cope. That is FTTH.


So it is not the smart meters that require FTTH. It is Netflix etc.

Of course that ignores those in the bush who won't even get FTTN. I guess their smart meters will give up and cry. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #63 - May 3rd, 2017 at 4:05pm
 
Nah, the smart meters which are probably smarter than you.
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Reply #64 - May 3rd, 2017 at 4:06pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on May 3rd, 2017 at 4:05pm:
Nah, the smart meters which are probably smarter than you.



Which would make them infinitely smarter than you. Wink
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Reply #65 - May 3rd, 2017 at 4:14pm
 
We do need to decarbonise the economy.

Renewables linked by an ultra high voltage DC grid backed by nuclear would do it.

FTTH, which will inevitably have to be rolled out, will allow better management of electricity use, helping to decarbonise the grid.

With the southern half of the continent drying out and the north getting wetter it is inevitable that a Snow Mts type scheme be implemented on a Qld river. This will provide hydro and irrigation water for the south (and the GAB!)
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Reply #66 - May 3rd, 2017 at 4:43pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on May 3rd, 2017 at 4:14pm:
FTTH, which will inevitably have to be rolled out, will allow better management of electricity use, helping to decarbonise the grid.


On the one hand you say that FTTH is needed to utlise the smart meters.

On the other you say it is Netflix etc which necessitates the FTTH.

As I have pointed out you don't need FTTH for the smart meters; it would be nice, but it is not necessary.

One of the jobs I subcontracted to was putting modems on the Coke machines, so that they could restock as necessary, not just a fixed day of the week. The machines monitored sales so they could tell what stock was necessary. And that was back in the dial-up days.



Jovial Monk wrote on May 3rd, 2017 at 4:14pm:
FTTH, which will inevitably have to be rolled out,


FTTH will never roll out to the bush. FTTN will never roll out to the bush. Not enough customers.

Jovial Monk wrote on May 3rd, 2017 at 4:14pm:
will allow better management of electricity use, helping to decarbonise the grid.


That is pie in the sky stuff. The better management happens now without FTTH. There is no way it will help decarbonise the grid.
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Reply #67 - May 3rd, 2017 at 4:48pm
 
No, FTTH is needed. It is rock solid reliable. It also can carry the bandwidth needed in these days.
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Reply #68 - May 8th, 2017 at 5:17pm
 
Renewables are surging ahead:

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The world added record levels of renewable energy capacity in 2016 while spending less on clean energy development, according to a new report by the United Nations Environment Program and Bloomberg New Energy Finance.

Global renewable energy capacity, not including large-scale hydropower, increased by 9 percent in 2016 as spending on clean energy sources such as wind and solar decreased by 23 percent from the year before, according to the report published on Thursday.

"Ever-cheaper clean tech provides a real opportunity for investors to get more for less," Erik Solheim, executive director of the UN program said in a statement. "This is exactly the kind of situation, where the needs of profit and people meet, that will drive the shift to a better world for all."

New capacity from renewable energy sources made up 55 percent of all new power sources worldwide as the investment in renewable energy capacity was roughly double that of new fossil fuel power generation capacity. (However, because renewable plants typically run more intermittently, the comparisons are not exact.)

"It's a whole new world," said Michael Liebreich, Bloomberg New Energy Finance advisory board chairman. "Instead of having to subsidize renewables, now authorities may have to subsidize natural gas plants to help them provide grid reliability."


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https://insideclimatenews.org/news/06042017/renewable-energy-costs-solar-wind-cl...


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Reply #69 - May 8th, 2017 at 5:27pm
 
Good. They can cut the subsidies for renewables. They should now be able to run on their own.

Is that actual output or rated capacity?

Jovial Monk wrote on May 8th, 2017 at 5:17pm:
Global renewable energy capacity


Oh, capacity, Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #70 - May 11th, 2017 at 8:40pm
 
Lots of complaints to the Ombudsman about unreliability of FTTN.

Need rock solid FTTH to help manage/optimise generation and consumption of electricity.
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Reply #71 - May 11th, 2017 at 8:49pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on May 11th, 2017 at 8:40pm:
Lots of complaints to the Ombudsman about unreliability of FTTN.

Need rock solid FTTH to help manage/optimise generation and consumption of electricity.


Yep. Smart meters demand it. Except in the bush in the bush apparently. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #73 - May 12th, 2017 at 11:44am
 
"Scotland’s wind turbines have generated more electricity than the country used for a record four days in a row."

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/scotland-wind-turbines-more-electricity...

Woohoo. Only another 361 days to get all the power from the wind generators. And then a bit for emergencies. Wink
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Reply #74 - May 14th, 2017 at 10:06am
 
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Utility-scale solar power, while still accounting for just a fraction of power in the U.S., has grown exponentially in the past seven years, according to an analysis from the U.S. Energy Information Administration.

While the first utility-scale solar farms were installed in the 1980s, more than half of the country’s solar current capacity came online in the past two years.


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