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Reply #15 - Apr 29th, 2017 at 11:23pm
 
Lees obviously missed the “rock solid reliable bit.” Also the com system is starting to carry a heavy load, IoT, M2M, streaming video etc.

We need a reliable comms system that can easily handle the load. ATM we don’t have one. With a fibre optic comms system generators can monitor electricity use and generation much more effectively and efficiently.
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Reply #16 - Apr 30th, 2017 at 12:01pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 29th, 2017 at 11:23pm:
Lees obviously missed the “rock solid reliable bit.” Also the com system is starting to carry a heavy load, IoT, M2M, streaming video etc.

We need a reliable comms system that can easily handle the load. ATM we don’t have one. With a fibre optic comms system generators can monitor electricity use and generation much more effectively and efficiently.



So how much faster does 1kb of data get to the other end?

"rock solid reliable" - it is a comms system. Unless the power is rock solid reliable OR the NBN system uses battery backup (not a given) at the home/business; no data will be going anywhere.

If there is power, even dial up would work if you had a landline.

Edit: a 300 page book is about 3Mb.
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Reply #17 - Apr 30th, 2017 at 12:14pm
 
Nah, copper internet frequently drops out, not reliable.
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Reply #18 - Apr 30th, 2017 at 2:22pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 30th, 2017 at 12:14pm:
Nah, copper internet frequently drops out, not reliable.


Only with a fault on the copper. Perhaps you could define "frequently"?
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Reply #19 - Apr 30th, 2017 at 2:24pm
 
Frequently. Enough to be more than a nuisance.

FTTH is the only way to go.
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Reply #20 - Apr 30th, 2017 at 2:31pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 30th, 2017 at 2:24pm:
Frequently. Enough to be more than a nuisance.


Now provide the data for the assertion. Wink
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Reply #21 - Apr 30th, 2017 at 2:46pm
 
Have a look at Whirlpool.

The copper drops out quite frequently. Ask Emma.
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Reply #22 - Apr 30th, 2017 at 3:20pm
 
No data; how sad. Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #23 - Apr 30th, 2017 at 3:22pm
 
Have a look at Whirlpool. Ask Emma. There is also the Communications Ombudsman website. Dropouts get mentioned frequently in complaints.

What do you expect with copper mostly well past its useful life, not really maintained, just sketchily repaired? Bagdad ring a bell? The copper is also too thin, too high impedance to provide “superfast” broadband. Netflix is in millions of homes and the video downloading is impacting internet speeds for those on FTTN.

You are showing yourself as being rather ignorant.
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Reply #24 - Apr 30th, 2017 at 3:55pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 30th, 2017 at 3:22pm:
Have a look at Whirlpool.



Do they do a statistical analysis?

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 30th, 2017 at 3:22pm:
Ask Emma.


That's not data. it is anecdotal.

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 30th, 2017 at 3:22pm:
Dropouts get mentioned frequently in complaints.



Statistics?
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 30th, 2017 at 3:22pm:
Netflix is in millions of homes and the video downloading is impacting internet speeds



Which is not data required by smart meters.

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 30th, 2017 at 3:22pm:
You are showing yourself as being rather ignorant.



You have changed the metrics from smart meter requirements to Netflix. Isn't that rather ignorant? Can't even maintain your argument.
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Reply #25 - Apr 30th, 2017 at 4:04pm
 
I described the load on the network that the copper network cannot cope with. Then there are the dropouts.

Nah, for effective and efficient monitoring and management of power networks we need FTTH.
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Reply #27 - Apr 30th, 2017 at 9:34pm
 
Wow. All from British Telecom. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #28 - Apr 30th, 2017 at 10:17pm
 
And Telstra copper is much worse.
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Reply #29 - May 1st, 2017 at 6:21am
 
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Australia’s electricity and gas transmission industry has intensified a call for a market mechanism to drive orderly transformation in the energy sector, warning a lack of clear regulation will result in higher prices for consumers and a less secure grid.

Energy Networks Australia (ENA) says clear policy settings could ultimately save Australian energy customers $100bn, and allow a smooth transition, where large-scale variable renewable energy can be integrated securely, creating the prospect of Australia’s electricity sector achieving zero net carbon emissions by 2050.

A new roadmap from the ENA to be released on Friday says the energy market is in the middle of a profound transformation that will only intensify over the next two decades.

Modelling produced for the report suggests that by 2050, up to 45% of Australia’s electricity supply could be provided by millions of distributed, privately owned generators, in homes and businesses.

The report notes the trend towards decentralisation of power generation creates “profound adaptation challenges for the system’s architecture, stability and efficiency given it was originally designed for almost 100% of generation at the transmission end of the system”.


This change is inevitable but the Libs are acting as if it is 1950!

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The ENA’s chief executive, John Bradley, said with stable policy settings, networks could buy grid support from customers instead of building their own infrastructure.

The rise of distributed energy between now and 2050 will coincide with decarbonisation in the national grid.

The report suggests by 2030, around 40% of generation could come from renewable technologies in Victoria and Western Australia, with an increasing share in New South Wales and Queensland as coal generators are retired.

The report points out that Queensland alone will boast solar generation capacity almost as large as its current coal-fired generation capacity by 2030.


Lots of coal fired generators will reach end of economic life in the next couple of decades, a challenge and an opportunity.

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The chief energy economist at the CSIRO, Paul Graham, who collaborated on the report, said the east coast grid would probably require the equivalent of 25 new large-scale solar or windfarms being built in just five years.

But the report points out that the massive technological transformation is rolling out in a policy vacuum.

“There is currently no enduring, clear long-term climate policy. There is also a lack of integration between electricity sector planning processes and climate policy,” the ENA report says.

It notes barriers to efficient decarbonisation “will be exacerbated if distributed energy resources are not utilised to support system balancing, facilitated by network optimisation systems”.


No clear long term climate policy. Not much long term policy at all from the shambles. Unfortunately the incompetent shambles is wasting $60Bn on obsolete copper comms system and spend most of their time squabbling between themselves.

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The release of the roadmap follows the publication of a draft version last December just before the Coalition decided to rule out an emissions-intensity scheme for the electricity sector after a brief internal revolt.


As I was saying.

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The ENA’s new report continues to argue that an emission-intensity baseline and credit scheme for the electricity sector, and “technology-neutral” carbon policy, would allow the transition to low-emissions power sources at least cost to households.

It says an intensity scheme or an “alternative policy of similar merit” should be rolled out by 2020, and the government should pursue “review opportunities to introduce an economy-wide carbon pricing mechanism” by 2026.

Bradley says the intense transformation required in the electricity sector will only be possible if the industry agrees on a clear roadmap, and with “stable and enduring carbon policy to support investment”.


https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/apr/28/australians-could-save-10...

Well, we will get no clear policy from the shambles so be prepared for a network that will increasingly be unstable and for high power prices. Such is the cost of having an idealess, incompetent and divided government. Roll on 2019!
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