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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Why do some people deny AGW? Reply #60 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 6:48pm Yeah, you said there was nothing there. You were wrong. You were and are a denier. I don’t know why but I would like to.
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Re: Why do some people deny AGW?
Reply #61 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 6:50pm

Frank wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 6:25pm:

The A in AGW (human causation) is not established. Climate change correlates with a whole load of things besides CO2. None of it is ever considered by the activists because none of the other possible causes have the political dimension of 'human causation'.

Not only that, the reasoning that attributes GW to human is very speculative and is based on mostly models that have the very assumption of human causation (human Co2) built into them.

Also, the AGW activists are so vehement and fascists about it that it makes the whole thing as suspicious as Hillary, Safe Schools, gender studies, etc. It's an overwhelmingly political agitation, rather than a scientific one because the politics controls wealth, power, etc.

I am only slightly facetious when I say that neo-Marxism causes AGW.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Why do some people deny AGW? Reply #62 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 6:55pm Proof of AGW does not rely on models, just chemistry and spectrometry. But dream on, deniers
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Re: Why do some people deny AGW?
Reply #63 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:15pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 11:58am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 11:47am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 11:41am:

Jovial is a victim of media brainwashing -
he can't think for himself &
even consider an alternative theory.

Sad, but true.

The independent investigation of the truth in ANY matter requires us to consider possible alternative theories/explanations.

It's both tragic and bizzare that Monk is unable to fathom this.

Hi Lisa,
Jovial says he has a BSc but I doubt it -
as he doesn't know the difference between
a scientific law & a scientific theory.

AGW is a theory.
Mini Ice Age prediction is a theory.

They both have quite a bit of strong evidence.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Why do some people deny AGW? Reply #64 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:19pm There is no evidence and only nonsense in the LIA crap from Dubyne. A scientific theory is a hypothesis that explains some observed phenomena. A scientific law just summarises information, does not try to explain it. You are a clown, Booby.
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Re: Why do some people deny AGW?
Reply #65 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:19pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:15pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 11:58am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 11:47am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 11:41am:

Jovial is a victim of media brainwashing -
he can't think for himself &
even consider an alternative theory.

Sad, but true.

The independent investigation of the truth in ANY matter requires us to consider possible alternative theories/explanations.

It's both tragic and bizzare that Monk is unable to fathom this.

Hi Lisa,
Jovial says he has a BSc but I doubt it -
as he doesn't know the difference between
a scientific law & a scientific theory.

AGW is a theory.
Mini Ice Age prediction is a theory.

They both have quite a bit of strong evidence.

Jovial doesn't understand what 'evidence' is, though.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Why do some people deny AGW? Reply #66 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:21pm Keep talking clowns. I am having a good laugh at your sillyness.
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Re: Why do some people deny AGW?
Reply #67 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:23pm

Mini Ice Age prediction is a theory.

Nope, the world is warming not cooling.

No evidence has been produced to support the LIA nonsense.

A fox “flash frozen” after falling through thin ice??? The Danube is made of liquid nitrogen?

A lake in Melbourne turns pinks and that is evidence of a LIA? ahahahahahahaha how fricking STUPID!

Sheer nonsense.

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Re: Why do some people deny AGW?
Reply #68 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:25pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:23pm:

Mini Ice Age prediction is a theory.

Nope, the world is warming not cooling.

No evidence has been produced to support the LIA nonsense.

A fix “flash frozen” after falling through thin ice??? The Danube is made of liquid nitrogen?

Sheer nonsense.

The Ice Age Theory was never scientific consensus in the 1970's as climate change deniers make it out to be. Propaganda.

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Re: Why do some people deny AGW?
Reply #69 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:26pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:19pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:15pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 11:58am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 11:47am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 11:41am:

Jovial is a victim of media brainwashing -
he can't think for himself &
even consider an alternative theory.

Sad, but true.

The independent investigation of the truth in ANY matter requires us to consider possible alternative theories/explanations.

It's both tragic and bizzare that Monk is unable to fathom this.

Hi Lisa,
Jovial says he has a BSc but I doubt it -
as he doesn't know the difference between
a scientific law & a scientific theory.

AGW is a theory.
Mini Ice Age prediction is a theory.

They both have quite a bit of strong evidence.

Jovial doesn't understand what 'evidence' is, though.

Yes Greg, you're right.

His last post proves that.

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Re: Why do some people deny AGW?
Reply #70 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:31pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 6:41pm:

proof of AGW needs no models or nothing.

Even proof it seems. Wink

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 6:41pm:

and spectroscopy to show GHGs absorbing IR photons.

Does spectroscopy show warming?
Does it show less IR actually reaching the earth? CO2 does have the same effect both ways I assume?
Less IR reaching the earth would mean less reflected? Seems like a nil sum game.

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Re: Why do some people deny AGW?
Reply #71 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:31pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:19pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:15pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 11:58am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 11:47am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 11:41am:

Jovial is a victim of media brainwashing -
he can't think for himself &
even consider an alternative theory.

Sad, but true.

The independent investigation of the truth in ANY matter requires us to consider possible alternative theories/explanations.

It's both tragic and bizzare that Monk is unable to fathom this.

Hi Lisa,
Jovial says he has a BSc but I doubt it -
as he doesn't know the difference between
a scientific law & a scientific theory.

AGW is a theory.
Mini Ice Age prediction is a theory.

They both have quite a bit of strong evidence.

Jovial doesn't understand what 'evidence' is, though.

David DuByne is only a messenger -
he relies upon the global cooling theories of many scientists.

30 Top Scientists Predict Global Cooling 2015-2050

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Re: Why do some people deny AGW?
Reply #72 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:35pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:26pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:19pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:15pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 11:58am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 11:47am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 11:41am:

Jovial is a victim of media brainwashing -
he can't think for himself &
even consider an alternative theory.

Sad, but true.

The independent investigation of the truth in ANY matter requires us to consider possible alternative theories/explanations.

It's both tragic and bizzare that Monk is unable to fathom this.

Hi Lisa,
Jovial says he has a BSc but I doubt it -
as he doesn't know the difference between
a scientific law & a scientific theory.

AGW is a theory.
Mini Ice Age prediction is a theory.

They both have quite a bit of strong evidence.

Jovial doesn't understand what 'evidence' is, though.

Yes Greg, you're right.

His last post proves that.

OMG—Gregg you believe the Danube is made of liquid nitrogen?

The mechanism for AGW is known. We know glaciers are retreating and the Arctic is warming and sea ice there is decreasing radically. Greenland is losing like 200 gigatons of ice every year. The Antarctic is still gaining mass but less and less every year, within the lifespan of many here the Antarctic will add to rather than subtract from sea level rise.

Bushfires/wildfires start earlier and earlier and are becoming bigger and bigger and more destructive. There were HUGE wildfires in Chile last SH summer, the US and Russia will suffer huge wildfires this NH spring and summer.

With the mechanism of AGW known denialism is stupid. Stubborn people insisting “It is NOT getting hotter!” but. . .it is.

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Re: Why do some people deny AGW?
Reply #73 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:37pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 6:41pm:

Actually, Sore End, proof of AGW needs no models or nothing. Chemistry to prove the extra CO2 in the atmosphere is from human sources, i.e. burning fossil fuels, and spectroscopy to show GHGs absorbing IR photons.

But stick to your version of fantasy land.

The extra CO2 in the atmosphere from human activity is NOT proof of AGW.

Nobody fully understand how the climate works. People latch on the identifiable aspects of human activity and latch onto that. It allows them to pretend they fully understand as well as thereby letting them off the hook about the vast aspects of the climate they do not understand.

One example - and I do not mean it as a trump card - is under-water volcanos. Nobody know where they all are, nobody knows how active they are, nobody knows how much CO2 they emit into the oceans.

Years ago we used to hear about the 'forcing' of atmospheric CO2: a little extra CO2 (caused by humans) was 'forcing' all the other atmospheric greenhouse gases to elevate their evil influence. This theory coincided with the sloshing of the Lord of the Rings trilogy in the public conscience - one ring to rule them all, one anthropogenic trace gas to rule them all.

Ridiculous is the only word.

I am not arguing against clean air, water, I am not against renewable energy in principle. But the AGW scare is just not credible. Energy black-out and people not having cheap and reliable energy because of this stupid scare is criminal.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 156076 Gender:	Re: Why do some people deny AGW? Reply #74 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:38pm Another post from the cult member proving that he doesn't know what 'evidence' means. This is quite amusing.
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