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Re: Why do some people deny AGW?
Reply #45 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 5:41pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 5:36pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 5:34pm:

So you have no alternative explanation. thought as much. You are a denier Gregg, dunno why but you are.

We have a denier here, people.

Come take a look.

For those who missed the denier's question:

"WHAT alternative explanation????"

Dear oh dear.

F.F.S Heres me in complete agreement with GREG

Were that idiot Tim Flannery still living on the coast Grin

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Re: Why do some people deny AGW?
Reply #46 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 5:48pm

bwood1946 wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 5:41pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 5:36pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 5:34pm:

So you have no alternative explanation. thought as much. You are a denier Gregg, dunno why but you are.

We have a denier here, people.

Come take a look.

For those who missed the denier's question:

"WHAT alternative explanation????"

Dear oh dear.

F.F.S Heres me in complete agreement with GREG

Were that idiot Tim Flannery still living on the coast

This is the problem I have with the AGW cult members: they refuse to acknowledge alternative explanations for climate change.

In all my life, I have never come across such a closed-minded group.

"WHAT alternative explanation????"

Can you believe they would ask such a question?

It appears that they completely reject the idea of natural variability, for example.

In that case, are they claiming that climate change never existed until humans inhabited the planet?

I'm curious.

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Reply #47 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 5:52pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 5:27pm:

No, the scientific evidence points to AGW due to GHGs.

You mean like Meehle et al 2004? GHG's are anthropogenic.
Like methane - apparently no natural cause like termites.
Like water vapour - I'm not sure how man makes that. He drinks water, he sweats water - seems natural.
Like CO2 - apparently plants do not emit CO2.

Is that the science you talk about.

Meehle is qoted from one of your favourite websites - Skeptical Science.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Why do some people deny AGW? Reply #48 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 5:53pm Another “natural variation” nut. Natural variation does not cut it.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21595 Gender:	Re: Why do some people deny AGW? Reply #49 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 5:56pm Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 5:53pm: Another “natural variation” nut. Natural variation does not cut it. Please quote the scientific paper that proves natural variability "does not cut it". You do have the science don't you?
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Re: Why do some people deny AGW?
Reply #50 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 5:59pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 5:53pm:

Another “natural variation” nut.

Natural variation does not cut it.

And here we go again.

The cult member asked for an alternative explanation, and I gave him one.

He then immediately assumes that I support that particular theory (and calls me a "nut").

He also immediately dismissies it as a possible cause.

Can everyone see why I have such a problem with these closed-minded cult members?

To refresh the cult member's memory, you asked me:

"WHAT alternative explanation????"

I gave you one. I didn't say I supported it, and I didn't say it was proven.

You also said:

"All the scientific evidence points to AGW occurring".

That is a complete and utter lie.

Liars like you are not worthy of my time.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Why do some people deny AGW? Reply #51 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 6:14pm Good, go away then. You had no explanation at all for the increasing global temperature. You never give any specifics when poo pooing an explanation of AGW theory. You are a denier and that is that. WHY you deny AGW is a question we obviously will not get an answer to.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 156065 Gender:	Re: Why do some people deny AGW? Reply #52 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 6:16pm lee wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 5:56pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 5:53pm: Another “natural variation” nut. Natural variation does not cut it. Please quote the scientific paper that proves natural variability "does not cut it". You do have the science don't you? This should be good ...
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 156065 Gender:	Re: Why do some people deny AGW? Reply #53 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 6:16pm lee wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 5:56pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 5:53pm: Another “natural variation” nut. Natural variation does not cut it. Please quote the scientific paper that proves natural variability "does not cut it". Ask the cult member if climate change existed before humans.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21595 Gender:	Re: Why do some people deny AGW? Reply #54 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 6:24pm Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 6:14pm: You had no explanation at all for the increasing global temperature. Visible light. Water heats slower than the air.
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Re: Why do some people deny AGW?
Reply #55 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 6:25pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 10:52pm:

Even a layman can see that the world is warming, just look how nearly all glaciers are retreating, Greenland is losing 200Gtons of ice a year, the Arctic sea ice extent has shrunk dramatically—anyone can find images of the shrinking of the Arctic.

Conservatives fear change but it is not just conservatives that deny AGW.

Sea levels are rising and when Antarctica starts losing net ice (it is gaining mass more and more slowly) sea level rise will speed up. (At present Antarctica is reducing sea level rise.)

There are a couple here who fear AGW so much the have let a lying charlatan convince them we are entering a Little Ice Age because sunspot numbers will reach a minimum. That might temporarily reduce temperatures by .5°C. This character Dubyne in a video a week or so ago said a lake in Melbourne turning pink was a sign of the Little Ice Age Roll Eyes

I don’t know.

If anybody here does not believe or disbelieves AGW then can you tell WHY? There is time to decarbonise the economy and avoid “catastrophe” so by denying you are making catastrophe certain! The irony of denialism.

It isn’t easy to think that urgent action is needed, like people talking themselves into believing war won’t come then a world was happens! But action now will be easier and cheaper than action in 20 years (or whatever) time.

I don’t consider deniers are unintelligent just afraid. Or maybe scientists are not conveying the science clearly and plainly enough?

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The A in AGW (human causation) is not established. Climate change correlates with a whole load of things besides CO2. None of it is ever considered by the activists because none of the other possible causes have the political dimension of 'human causation'.

Not only that, the reasoning that attributes GW to human is very speculative and is based on mostly models that have the very assumption of human causation (human Co2) built into them.

Also, the AGW activists are so vehement and fascists about it that it makes the whole thing as suspicious as Hillary, Safe Schools, gender studies, etc. It's an overwhelmingly political agitation, rather than a scientific one because the politics controls wealth, power, etc.

I am only slightly facetious when I say that neo-Marxism causes AGW.

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Re: Why do some people deny AGW?
Reply #56 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 6:26pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 6:14pm:

Good, go away then.

You had no explanation at all for the increasing global temperature. You never give any specifics when poo pooing an explanation of AGW theory.

You are a denier and that is that.

WHY you deny AGW is a question we obviously will not get an answer to.

I don't deny it.

I've told you this several times.

You are without doubt the most closed-minded, dishonest person I have ever come across.

The cult has destroyed your mind.

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Re: Why do some people deny AGW?
Reply #57 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 6:31pm

Frank wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 6:25pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 10:52pm:

Even a layman can see that the world is warming, just look how nearly all glaciers are retreating, Greenland is losing 200Gtons of ice a year, the Arctic sea ice extent has shrunk dramatically—anyone can find images of the shrinking of the Arctic.

Conservatives fear change but it is not just conservatives that deny AGW.

Sea levels are rising and when Antarctica starts losing net ice (it is gaining mass more and more slowly) sea level rise will speed up. (At present Antarctica is reducing sea level rise.)

There are a couple here who fear AGW so much the have let a lying charlatan convince them we are entering a Little Ice Age because sunspot numbers will reach a minimum. That might temporarily reduce temperatures by .5°C. This character Dubyne in a video a week or so ago said a lake in Melbourne turning pink was a sign of the Little Ice Age Roll Eyes

I don’t know.

If anybody here does not believe or disbelieves AGW then can you tell WHY? There is time to decarbonise the economy and avoid “catastrophe” so by denying you are making catastrophe certain! The irony of denialism.

It isn’t easy to think that urgent action is needed, like people talking themselves into believing war won’t come then a world was happens! But action now will be easier and cheaper than action in 20 years (or whatever) time.

I don’t consider deniers are unintelligent just afraid. Or maybe scientists are not conveying the science clearly and plainly enough?

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The A in AGW (human causation) is not established. Climate change correlates with a whole load of things besides CO2. None of it is ever considered by the activists because none of the other possible causes have the political dimension of 'human causation'.

Not only that, the reasoning that attributes GW to human is very speculative and is based on mostly models that have the very assumption of human causation (human Co2) built into them.

Also, the AGW activists are so vehement and fascists about it that it makes the whole thing as suspicious as Hillary, Safe Schools, gender studies, etc. It's an overwhelmingly political agitation, rather than a scientific one because the politics controls wealth, power, etc.

I am only slightly facetious when I say that neo-Marxism causes AGW.

Good post. Excellent, in fact.

Our resident denier of alternative explanations, and life-time cult member, won't have any of it though.

He'll stick his fingers in his ears and call you a denier.

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Re: Why do some people deny AGW?
Reply #58 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 6:41pm

Frank wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 6:25pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 10:52pm:

Even a layman can see that the world is warming, just look how nearly all glaciers are retreating, Greenland is losing 200Gtons of ice a year, the Arctic sea ice extent has shrunk dramatically—anyone can find images of the shrinking of the Arctic.

Conservatives fear change but it is not just conservatives that deny AGW.

Sea levels are rising and when Antarctica starts losing net ice (it is gaining mass more and more slowly) sea level rise will speed up. (At present Antarctica is reducing sea level rise.)

There are a couple here who fear AGW so much the have let a lying charlatan convince them we are entering a Little Ice Age because sunspot numbers will reach a minimum. That might temporarily reduce temperatures by .5°C. This character Dubyne in a video a week or so ago said a lake in Melbourne turning pink was a sign of the Little Ice Age Roll Eyes

I don’t know.

If anybody here does not believe or disbelieves AGW then can you tell WHY? There is time to decarbonise the economy and avoid “catastrophe” so by denying you are making catastrophe certain! The irony of denialism.

It isn’t easy to think that urgent action is needed, like people talking themselves into believing war won’t come then a world was happens! But action now will be easier and cheaper than action in 20 years (or whatever) time.

I don’t consider deniers are unintelligent just afraid. Or maybe scientists are not conveying the science clearly and plainly enough?

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The A in AGW (human causation) is not established. Climate change correlates with a whole load of things besides CO2. None of it is ever considered by the activists because none of the other possible causes have the political dimension of 'human causation'.

Not only that, the reasoning that attributes GW to human is very speculative and is based on mostly models that have the very assumption of human causation (human Co2) built into them.

Also, the AGW activists are so vehement and fascists about it that it makes the whole thing as suspicious as Hillary, Safe Schools, gender studies, etc. It's an overwhelmingly political agitation, rather than a scientific one because the politics controls wealth, power, etc.

I am only slightly facetious when I say that neo-Marxism causes AGW.

Actually, Sore End, proof of AGW needs no models or nothing. Chemistry to prove the extra CO2 in the atmosphere is from human sources, i.e. burning fossil fuels, and spectroscopy to show GHGs absorbing IR photons.

But stick to your version of fantasy land.

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