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Why do some people deny AGW?
Apr 27th, 2017 at 10:52pm
 
Even a layman can see that the world is warming, just look how nearly all glaciers are retreating, Greenland is losing 200Gtons of ice a year, the Arctic sea ice extent has shrunk dramatically—anyone can find images of the shrinking of the Arctic.

Conservatives fear change but it is not just conservatives that deny AGW.

Sea levels are rising and when Antarctica starts losing net ice (it is gaining mass more and more slowly) sea level rise will speed up. (At present Antarctica is reducing sea level rise.)

There are a couple here who fear AGW so much the have let a lying charlatan convince them we are entering a Little Ice Age because sunspot numbers will reach a minimum. That might temporarily reduce temperatures by .5°C. This character Dubyne in a video a week or so ago said a lake in Melbourne turning pink was a sign of the Little Ice Age  Roll Eyes Smiley

I don’t know.

If anybody here does not believe or disbelieves AGW then can you tell WHY? There is time to decarbonise the economy and avoid “catastrophe” so by denying you are making catastrophe certain! The irony of denialism.

It isn’t easy to think that urgent action is needed, like people talking themselves into believing war won’t come then a world was happens! But action now will be easier and cheaper than action in 20 years (or whatever) time.

I don’t consider deniers are unintelligent just afraid. Or maybe scientists are not conveying the science clearly and plainly enough?

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Re: Why do some people deny AGW?
Reply #1 - Apr 28th, 2017 at 1:42am
 
It is a mystery I agree.
Most of it is to do with the A ... they  don't accept that human actions are causing Climate change.

Seems pretty stupid to me. Perhaps it is because they think humans are created by God, and therefore supreme, and saying we are fouling our own nest is an insult, which they take personally.

But lets face it folks, we ARE destroying our only home. Not even animals do that. Only us.

We are obviously not as supreme as some claim.


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Reply #2 - Apr 28th, 2017 at 5:09am
 
Yes, for some it is religious upbringing “Only Gawd can change the climate!” kind of thing—and some of that religious aspect could be buried deep and even be unknown to the denier.

For some, the “almighty dollar” could be the reason.

Or just set in their ways, comfortable life don’t even want to contemplate having to change, to give up some comfort.
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Reply #3 - Apr 28th, 2017 at 10:15am
 

I certainly don't "deny" AGW.

It might be real, however, there's no reliable, conclusive evidence at the moment that supports the theory.

Is there climate change? Sure.

Do we know exactly what causes it? Absolutely not. Anyone who says otherwise, is lying.

Despite that, if people honestly believe that we can change the climate for the better I'm happy to go along with whatever "solutions" they want to offer.

Renewable energy? Great idea - go for it.

Recycle? No problem - I've always recycled.

Ride a bike or walk, instead of using your car? Again, I do this all the time.

Climate change doesn't concern me in the slightest.

On a list of things that worry me, it wouldn't even make the top 1,000.

If you think you can "save the world", though, knock yourself out. I'm not gonna stand in your way.
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Reply #4 - Apr 28th, 2017 at 10:19am
 
Well, you are wrong on all counts re AGW Gregg.

Do you feel threatened by AGW?
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Reply #5 - Apr 28th, 2017 at 10:31am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 10:19am:
Well, you are wrong on all counts re AGW Gregg.

All counts?  Please explain.

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 10:19am:
Do you feel threatened by AGW?

Not in the slightest.

It's merely a theory.
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Reply #6 - Apr 28th, 2017 at 10:41am
 
All science is “just a theory.”

Some theories are well supported by evidence, like AGW and relativity. Public policy should bear in mind solid theories like AGW. We even know the mechanism.

As I said in the OP, the man in the street can see AGW in action: the retreat of glaciers, the huge ice loss from Greenland. the shrinking of Arctic sea ice and so on and so on.
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Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 10:41am:
All science is “just a theory.”

Some theories are well supported by evidence, like AGW and relativity. Public policy should bear in mind solid theories like AGW. We even know the mechanism.

As I said in the OP, the man in the street can see AGW in action: the retreat of glaciers, the huge ice loss from Greenland. the shrinking of Arctic sea ice and so on and so on.


No, they can see climate change in action.

AGW is just one possible explanation.


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Re: Why do some people deny AGW?
Reply #8 - Apr 28th, 2017 at 10:52am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 10:44am:
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 10:41am:
All science is “just a theory.”

Some theories are well supported by evidence, like AGW and relativity. Public policy should bear in mind solid theories like AGW. We even know the mechanism.

As I said in the OP, the man in the street can see AGW in action: the retreat of glaciers, the huge ice loss from Greenland. the shrinking of Arctic sea ice and so on and so on.


No, they can see climate change in action.

AGW is just one possible explanation.





Finally.....something worth reading.

In this forum.
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Reply #9 - Apr 28th, 2017 at 10:57am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 10:44am:
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 10:41am:
All science is “just a theory.”

Some theories are well supported by evidence, like AGW and relativity. Public policy should bear in mind solid theories like AGW. We even know the mechanism.

As I said in the OP, the man in the street can see AGW in action: the retreat of glaciers, the huge ice loss from Greenland. the shrinking of Arctic sea ice and so on and so on.


No, they can see climate change in action.

AGW is just one possible explanation.




Nope. We know that GHGs absorb IR photons heading to space.
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Reply #10 - Apr 28th, 2017 at 11:16am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 10:57am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 10:44am:
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 10:41am:
All science is “just a theory.”

Some theories are well supported by evidence, like AGW and relativity. Public policy should bear in mind solid theories like AGW. We even know the mechanism.

As I said in the OP, the man in the street can see AGW in action: the retreat of glaciers, the huge ice loss from Greenland. the shrinking of Arctic sea ice and so on and so on.


No, they can see climate change in action.

AGW is just one possible explanation.




Nope. We know that GHGs absorb IR photons heading to space.


Yep.

I am 100% correct.

We can see climate change in action, however, AGW is just one possible explanation.

This is indisputable.



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Reply #11 - Apr 28th, 2017 at 11:18am
 
Sorry Greg, you are just a denier. WHY do you deny AGW?
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Reply #12 - Apr 28th, 2017 at 11:23am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 11:18am:
Sorry Greg, you are just a denier. WHY do you deny AGW?


Once again, when faced with the truth, you resort to lies.

I'm not an AGW denier, and I've told you this on several occasions.

This is why the AGW cult gets such a bad reputation.

You can continue to stick your fingers in your ears and yell "I'm not listening, I'm not listening", however, I'll always keep an open mind on the subject.



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greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 11:16am:
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 10:57am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 10:44am:
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 10:41am:
All science is “just a theory.”

Some theories are well supported by evidence, like AGW and relativity. Public policy should bear in mind solid theories like AGW. We even know the mechanism.

As I said in the OP, the man in the street can see AGW in action: the retreat of glaciers, the huge ice loss from Greenland. the shrinking of Arctic sea ice and so on and so on.


No, they can see climate change in action.

AGW is just one possible explanation.




Nope. We know that GHGs absorb IR photons heading to space.


Yep.

I am 100% correct.

We can see climate change in action, however, AGW is just one possible explanation.

This is indisputable.






It's also why there is no consensus.
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Reply #14 - Apr 28th, 2017 at 11:25am
 
Says the forum clown.
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