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Re: Why do some people deny AGW?
Reply #30 - Apr 28th, 2017 at 12:17pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 12:08pm:
Denialism plain and simple.

Now WHY do people deny AGW?


I can't speak for the people who deny AGW, however, I can take a guess.

They probably object to the fact that the AGW cult is so overwhelmingly unscientific and dishonest in their approach.

That, coupled with the fact that there's no reliable, conclusive evidence to show that AGW is real, probably leads a lot of people to just dismiss the theory as nothing more than an educated guess.

As a skeptic, I can see where they're  coming from.

However, I'll continue to keep an open-mind on the subject, as one day it might just be proven to be true.

Today isn't that day, though.
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Re: Why do some people deny AGW?
Reply #31 - Apr 28th, 2017 at 12:23pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 12:17pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 12:08pm:
Denialism plain and simple.

Now WHY do people deny AGW?


I can't speak for the people who deny AGW, however, I can take a guess.

They probably object to the fact that the AGW cult is so overwhelmingly unscientific and dishonest in their approach.

That, coupled with the fact that there's no reliable, conclusive evidence to show that AGW is real, probably leads a lot of people to just dismiss the theory as nothing more than an educated guess.

As a skeptic, I can see where they're  coming from.

However, I'll continue to keep an open-mind on the subject, as one day it might just be proven to be true.

Today isn't that day, though.


Actually....that a very true and honest response.

A lot of us can identify with your sentiments Greg.

Only an irrational dhead would have the audacity to ridicule your post.
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Re: Why do some people deny AGW?
Reply #32 - Apr 28th, 2017 at 12:42pm
 
Unscientific, uh huh.

So you think Dubyne is scientific?

There is a massive amount of science supporting AGW. A consilience of the different branches of science looking at global warming.

GHGs do absorb IR photons, blocking them from escaping to space and so heating the planet. This has been shown by terrestrial and satellite spectrometry. An alternative theory would have to explain away this greenhouse mechanism.

Booby’s LIA is fantasy pure and simple.

AGW is a well supported theory that offers a way to start reducing the warming before it becomes runaway.
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Re: Why do some people deny AGW?
Reply #33 - Apr 28th, 2017 at 12:50pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 12:42pm:
Unscientific, uh huh.

So you think Dubyne is scientific?

There is a massive amount of science supporting AGW. A consilience of the different branches of science looking at global warming.

GHGs do absorb IR photons, blocking them from escaping to space and so heating the planet. This has been shown by terrestrial and satellite spectrometry. An alternative theory would have to explain away this greenhouse mechanism.

Booby’s LIA is fantasy pure and simple.


AGW is a well supported theory that offers a way to start reducing the warming before it becomes runaway.


Nobody has ever said that it isn't well supported.

Let's stick to the science, though, instead of worrying about popularity.


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Reply #34 - Apr 28th, 2017 at 1:03pm
 
I am not talking popularity. All the scientific evidence points to AGW occurring. There is no real challenge to the theory, no alternative explanation, not orbital changes, not a brighter hotter sun, nothing.

That means we really do need to decarbonise the economy.
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Reply #35 - Apr 28th, 2017 at 2:18pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 1:03pm:
I am not talking popularity. All the scientific evidence points to AGW occurring. There is no real challenge to the theory, no alternative explanation, not orbital changes, not a brighter hotter sun, nothing.

That means we really do need to decarbonise the economy.


Why lie?

Seriously.

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Re: Why do some people deny AGW?
Reply #36 - Apr 28th, 2017 at 2:51pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 2:18pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 1:03pm:
I am not talking popularity. All the scientific evidence points to AGW occurring. There is no real challenge to the theory, no alternative explanation, not orbital changes, not a brighter hotter sun, nothing.

That means we really do need to decarbonise the economy.


Why lie?

Seriously.



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Reply #37 - Apr 28th, 2017 at 2:54pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 1:03pm:
All the scientific evidence points to AGW occurring.

No, it doesn't.  Not even close.  Why must you lie?

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 1:03pm:
There is no real challenge to the theory, no alternative explanation ...

Yes, there is.  Again: why lie?

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Re: Why do some people deny AGW?
Reply #38 - Apr 28th, 2017 at 4:31pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 27th, 2017 at 10:52pm:
Even a layman can see that the world is warming, just look how nearly all glaciers are retreating, Greenland is losing 200Gtons of ice a year, the Arctic sea ice extent has shrunk dramatically—anyone can find images of the shrinking of the Arctic.



Now link that to CO2 alone.Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 27th, 2017 at 10:52pm:
Sea levels are rising and when Antarctica starts losing net ice (it is gaining mass more and more slowly) sea level rise will speed up. (At present Antarctica is reducing sea level rise.)


Speculation. did Madam Zara foresee the future for you? Why do you believe in psychics?

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 27th, 2017 at 10:52pm:
There are a couple here who fear AGW so much the have let a lying charlatan convince them we are entering a Little Ice Age because sunspot numbers will reach a minimum. That might temporarily reduce temperatures by .5°C.


And the earth has warmed about 0.94C based on reconstructed "data"from before 1986.

...

Also the grey areas are those with no data. How do they calculate land temperatures to within 1/100ths of a degree?

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 27th, 2017 at 10:52pm:
If anybody here does not believe or disbelieves AGW



HOW much of the warming is this AGW?

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 27th, 2017 at 10:52pm:
It isn’t easy to think that urgent action is needed



Especially with no data.

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Re: Why do some people deny AGW?
Reply #39 - Apr 28th, 2017 at 5:24pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 27th, 2017 at 10:52pm:
Even a layman can see that the world is warming, just look how nearly all glaciers are retreating, Greenland is losing 200Gtons of ice a year, the Arctic sea ice extent has shrunk dramatically—anyone can find images of the shrinking of the Arctic.

Conservatives fear change but it is not just conservatives that deny AGW.

Sea levels are rising and when Antarctica starts losing net ice (it is gaining mass more and more slowly) sea level rise will speed up. (At present Antarctica is reducing sea level rise.)

There are a couple here who fear AGW so much the have let a lying charlatan convince them we are entering a Little Ice Age because sunspot numbers will reach a minimum. That might temporarily reduce temperatures by .5°C. This character Dubyne in a video a week or so ago said a lake in Melbourne turning pink was a sign of the Little Ice Age  Roll Eyes Smiley

I don’t know.

If anybody here does not believe or disbelieves AGW then can you tell WHY? There is time to decarbonise the economy and avoid “catastrophe” so by denying you are making catastrophe certain! The irony of denialism.

It isn’t easy to think that urgent action is needed, like people talking themselves into believing war won’t come then a world was happens! But action now will be easier and cheaper than action in 20 years (or whatever) time.

I don’t consider deniers are unintelligent just afraid. Or maybe scientists are not conveying the science clearly and plainly enough?

Comments?



A consensus of scientists say:

WE are destroying the Earth with AGW…….!!!


The layman:

OK what can we do about it………..???


A consensus of scientists say:

Our employer suggests a (CO2) carbon derivatives market on the stock exchange…..!!!


The layman:

REALLY…………………………………….???

So we can go right on sending CO2 into the atmosphere as long as we pay for it....?

A bit like taxing the air we breathe...........!!!

What about deforestation………!!!

Chemicals going into our creeks, rivers and oceans…!!!

Plastics and litter in our water ways and oceans………..!!!

Ecological impact of bombs and explosives………………!!!

The release of toxic chemicals…………………………………...!!!

What about all those and more………………………………….!!!


A consensus of scientists say:

CO2 is the only pollution that can destroy us, our employer is only focused on that……!!!


The layman:

Who’s your employer………………………..?


A consensus of scientists say:

The oligarchy, the elite, the 1%.


The layman:

OOOhhhhh,………………….I seeeeeeehhhhhhhhhh.


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Reply #40 - Apr 28th, 2017 at 5:27pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 2:54pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 1:03pm:
All the scientific evidence points to AGW occurring.

No, it doesn't.  Not even close.  Why must you lie?

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 1:03pm:
There is no real challenge to the theory, no alternative explanation ...

Yes, there is.  Again: why lie?


No, the scientific evidence points to AGW due to GHGs.

WHAT alternative explanation????
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Reply #41 - Apr 28th, 2017 at 5:30pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 5:27pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 2:54pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 1:03pm:
All the scientific evidence points to AGW occurring.

No, it doesn't.  Not even close.  Why must you lie?

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 1:03pm:
There is no real challenge to the theory, no alternative explanation ...

Yes, there is.  Again: why lie?


No, the scientific evidence points to AGW due to GHGs.

WHAT alternative explanation????


And there we have it, people: a perfect example of how AGW cult members are completey closed-minded.

It's a worry.



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Reply #42 - Apr 28th, 2017 at 5:34pm
 
So you have no alternative explanation. thought as much. You are a denier Gregg, dunno why but you are.
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Reply #43 - Apr 28th, 2017 at 5:36pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 5:34pm:
So you have no alternative explanation. thought as much. You are a denier Gregg, dunno why but you are.


We have a denier here, people.

Come take a look.

For those who missed the denier's question:

"WHAT alternative explanation????"

Dear oh dear.

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Reply #44 - Apr 28th, 2017 at 5:40pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 5:36pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 5:34pm:
So you have no alternative explanation. thought as much. You are a denier Gregg, dunno why but you are.


We have a denier here, people.

Come take a look.

For those who missed the denier's question:

"WHAT alternative explanation????"

Dear oh dear.




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