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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Why do some people deny AGW? Reply #330 - May 11^th, 2017 at 10:02am Name one alternative theory, Gregg.
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Re: Why do some people deny AGW?
Reply #331 - May 11^th, 2017 at 10:29am

Jovial Monk wrote on May 11^th, 2017 at 10:02am:

Name one alternative theory, Gregg.

It's pointless, as you'll just say "that theory has been debunked".

You are the most closed-minded person I have ever encountered, in all my life.

To deny the possibility of other causes of climate change is, in my opinion, pure insanity.

My mind remains as open as always: we might have warming, and it might be caused by humans or, it might not.

Any of the seven theories I've listed below could be correct or, they might all be wrong.

AGW disciples, however, simply refuse to consider any other possibilities.

It's really quite disturbing.

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AGW
Bio-thermostat
Cloud Formation and Albedo
Human Forcings Besides Greenhouse Gases
Ocean Currents
Planetary Motion
Solar Variability

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Reply #332 - May 11^th, 2017 at 10:50am

“Solar Variability” is currently in a setting against heating: the sun has been quiescent for the last 50 years and yet the last 50 years is where much of the global heating has occurred.

“Albedo change” especially in the Arctic where light colored ice is replaced by dark ocean. Land use changes also provide some albedo change and more carbon dioxide.

There is no orbital change that could cause heating or cooling. Orbital changes of course are what cause major ice ages.

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Re: Why do some people deny AGW?
Reply #333 - May 11^th, 2017 at 12:34pm

Jovial Monk wrote on May 11^th, 2017 at 10:50am:

“Albedo change” especially in the Arctic where light colored ice is replaced by dark ocean.

You mean in the Arctic when there is no direct sunlight for about half the year and the sun is hitting at a low angle? Have you calculated for the low angle or do you rely on the sun hitting at 90º to get your albedo effect?

Jovial Monk wrote on May 11^th, 2017 at 10:50am:

Land use changes also provide some albedo change and more carbon dioxide.

It provides a lot of UHI. houses, driveways, highways, shopping malls, car parks. Why do you ignore that?

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Re: Why do some people deny AGW?
Reply #334 - May 11^th, 2017 at 12:58pm

lee wrote on May 11^th, 2017 at 12:34pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on May 11^th, 2017 at 10:50am:

“Albedo change” especially in the Arctic where light colored ice is replaced by dark ocean.

You mean in the Arctic when there is no direct sunlight for about half the year and the sun is hitting at a low angle? Have you calculated for the low angle or do you rely on the sun hitting at 90º to get your albedo effect?

Jovial Monk wrote on May 11^th, 2017 at 10:50am:

Land use changes also provide some albedo change and more carbon dioxide.

It provides a lot of UHI. houses, driveways, highways, shopping malls, car parks. Why do you ignore that?

He's a denier.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Why do some people deny AGW? Reply #335 - May 11^th, 2017 at 2:16pm Because none of those changes cause the consistent warming we have seen. It is really simple, Gregg.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 155860 Gender:	Re: Why do some people deny AGW? Reply #336 - May 11^th, 2017 at 3:18pm Jovial Monk wrote on May 11^th, 2017 at 2:16pm: Because none of those changes cause the consistent warming we have seen. It is really simple, Gregg. "simple"
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21563 Gender:	Re: Why do some people deny AGW? Reply #337 - May 11^th, 2017 at 4:36pm Jovial Monk wrote on May 11^th, 2017 at 2:16pm: Because none of those changes cause the consistent warming we have seen. https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global/globe/land/1/3/1986-2017?trend=... Yeah. Sure seems consistent.
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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 60651 Gender:	Re: Why do some people deny AGW? Reply #338 - May 15^th, 2017 at 8:08pm Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 10:52pm: I don’t consider deniers are unintelligent just afraid. Or maybe scientists are not conveying the science clearly and plainly enough? Comments?
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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Why do some people deny AGW? Reply #339 - May 16^th, 2017 at 1:21am Lovely. A bit of humour that covers the idiots perfectly.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21563 Gender:	Re: Why do some people deny AGW? Reply #340 - May 16^th, 2017 at 11:44am Yep. Fancy a scientist confusing economics with science.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Why do some people deny AGW? Reply #341 - May 17^th, 2017 at 6:54pm
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21563 Gender:	Re: Why do some people deny AGW? Reply #342 - May 17^th, 2017 at 7:05pm Nice meeting place you have. The only one that denies climate changes is you. You want it to be static. Learnt any more about one-way CO2?
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Why do some people deny AGW? Reply #343 - May 25^th, 2017 at 1:57am With icebergs calved from Greenland at their usual May peak—Booby’s hero Dubyne actually uses those ’bergs to claim “see, sea ice is still thick, no diminution.” Silly boobies swallow this transparent nonsense whole!
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21563 Gender:	Re: Why do some people deny AGW? Reply #344 - May 25^th, 2017 at 12:27pm Jovial Monk wrote on May 25^th, 2017 at 1:57am: With icebergs calved from Greenland at their usual May peak Got any data for that?
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