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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Why do some people deny AGW? Reply #285 - May 2^nd, 2017 at 2:43pm You haven’t really said why you deny AGW. Even from your denier websites you must gather that the AGW theory is well supported and the only realistic explanation of the warming since the mid 1800s. The spectrometry shows the greenhouse effect in action. So, why deny AGW?
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lee Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 21593 Gender:	Re: Why do some people deny AGW? Reply #286 - May 2^nd, 2017 at 2:51pm Jovial Monk wrote on May 2^nd, 2017 at 2:43pm: You haven’t really said why you deny AGW. Please show where I have denied AGW? Remember, AGW - land use change. You really should try telling the truth. They tell me it is good for the soul.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Why do some people deny AGW? Reply #287 - May 2^nd, 2017 at 3:01pm Land use change = more CO2. Nope. Why do you deny AGW?
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lee Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 21593 Gender:	Re: Why do some people deny AGW? Reply #288 - May 2^nd, 2017 at 3:22pm Jovial Monk wrote on May 2^nd, 2017 at 3:01pm: Land use change = more CO2. Nope. Why do you deny AGW? Nope, land use change - shopping malls, car parks, high rise buildings. UHI. Why do you feel this overwhelming urge to label people?
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Why do some people deny AGW? Reply #289 - May 2^nd, 2017 at 3:29pm So you don’t know or won’t say why you are a denier. If you were an electric/electronics tech you are a bit more educated than most, so why the denial? UHI etc does not explain the spectrometry or readings from satellites, buoys in the oceans etc. So not a realistic explanation. So. . .why deny???
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Re: Why do some people deny AGW?
Reply #290 - May 2^nd, 2017 at 4:01pm

Jovial Monk wrote on May 2^nd, 2017 at 3:29pm:

UHI etc does not explain the spectrometry or readings from satellites, buoys in the oceans etc. So not a realistic explanation.

You do know UHI leaching from buildings etc is IR?

Spectrometry doesn't show warming. It shows the spectrum at a point in time. Without anything to compare it to it is meaningless.

The Buoys - Argo

The Argo buoys showed cooling. Josh Willis of NASA's Jet Propulsion Labs didn't believe it. The Argo buoys must be wrong. So the temperatures were adjusted. Without even pulling them out of the water. Weren't they calibrated before being dropped in the ocean?

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/OceanCooling/

Jovial Monk wrote on May 2^nd, 2017 at 3:29pm:

So. . .why deny???

Still making labels? Grin

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Why do some people deny AGW? Reply #291 - May 2^nd, 2017 at 4:03pm Why deny?
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 156060 Gender:	Re: Why do some people deny AGW? Reply #292 - May 2^nd, 2017 at 4:47pm Jovial Monk wrote on May 2^nd, 2017 at 4:03pm: Why deny? That's a very good question. Why do you deny the possibility of alternative causes of climate change? Why deny?
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Re: Why do some people deny AGW?
Reply #293 - May 2^nd, 2017 at 5:02pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2^nd, 2017 at 4:47pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on May 2^nd, 2017 at 4:03pm:

Why deny?

That's a very good question.

Why do you deny the possibility of alternative causes of climate change?

Why deny?

Because the science shows that GHGs are causing pretty much all the warming that is happening.

Why do you deny AGW, Gregg?

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Re: Why do some people deny AGW?
Reply #294 - May 2^nd, 2017 at 5:03pm

Jovial Monk wrote on May 2^nd, 2017 at 5:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2^nd, 2017 at 4:47pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on May 2^nd, 2017 at 4:03pm:

Why deny?

That's a very good question.

Why do you deny the possibility of alternative causes of climate change?

Why deny?

Because the science shows that GHGs are causing pretty much all the warming that is happening.

Why do you deny AGW, Gregg?

So, you admit you're a denier. Good.

I'm not.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Why do some people deny AGW? Reply #295 - May 2^nd, 2017 at 5:04pm So you are scared poopless by the thought of AGW. OK. So is Lees, so is Booby and so is The Moronic. Any more?
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 156060 Gender:	Re: Why do some people deny AGW? Reply #296 - May 2^nd, 2017 at 5:05pm Jovial admits he's a denier.
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Re: Why do some people deny AGW?
Reply #297 - May 2^nd, 2017 at 5:50pm

Jovial Monk wrote on May 2^nd, 2017 at 12:16pm:

And you have outsourced your thinking to an obviously lying charlatan. The carbon cycle emits and absorbs carbon on a yearly cycle. Anthropogenic carbon cannot all be stored and that is why atmospheric CO2 has increased from 280ppm in early 1800s to 410ppm now (a 4% increase according to Lees but there you go.)

As regards previously higher CO2 levels, I did publish long extracts from a paper that discussed all that. Not my fault you didn’t read it. Ajax didn’t read it either tho it would have explained things to him. Lees just tried to find fault and missed. Go back and read it, it will take a while to read and understand but it is worth it.

As usual JV you're talking sh!t.

If that was the case the annual average rise of CO2 in the atmosphere would track manmade emission, but it doesn't.

Notice the sharp rise in fossil fuel CO2 emissions after 2000.

After 2000 fossil fuel emissions were 3 times the amount of fossil fuel emissions in the prior decade to 2000, that is 3 times as much fossil fuel emission went into our atmosphere after 2000 than the decade before 2000.

But the average yearly increase after 2000 just like the decade prior to 2000, average increase in CO2 remains more or less steady at 2.1ppm per year.

Fossil fuel CO2 emissions at 2.3% of the total CO2 natural emissions are insignificant and get lost in the noise.

That's why the average yearly increase of CO2 has remained steady at 2.1ppm per year even though fossil fuel emissions have shot through the roof.

Yes fossil fuels emissions contribute but the contribution is small at 2.3% of the total amount of natural CO2 that is emitted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGZqWMEpyUM

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Reply #298 - May 2^nd, 2017 at 5:54pm

The reason CO2 is rising is because since 1700 we have been getting warmer and when the earth warms up more CO2 is released from the natural reservoirs of the Earth.

Like H lamb shows below, of course that fraudster Mann would have us believing otherwise.

The outgassing of natural CO2 eclipses anything man sends up..................... Cheesy

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 156060 Gender:	Re: Why do some people deny AGW? Reply #299 - May 2^nd, 2017 at 5:55pm Jovial has admitted that he's a denier. Why bother with him?
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