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Question: The earth is warming because
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It is cooling    
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It isn’t warming    
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It is warming from natural causes    
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It is warming from anthropogenic causes    
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It is warming from natural & anthropogenic causes    
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Why do some people deny AGW? (Read 20005 times)
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Reply #270 - May 2nd, 2017 at 12:16pm
 
Bobby. wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 8:09pm:
lee wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 8:08pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 11:50am:
Natural emissions are minimal, unless you are making a “cute” reference to the carbon cycle.



You mean this "cute" reference?

" Although our output of 29 gigatons of CO2 is tiny compared to the 750 gigatons moving through the carbon cycle each year, it adds up because the land and ocean cannot absorb all of the extra CO2. "

https://www.skepticalscience.com/human-co2-smaller-than-natural-emissions.htm

And then, when CO2 was above 2200ppm, the earth was apparently in balance. But it is struggling at 400ppm. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin



Yet Jovial claims to have a BSc - go figure?

And you have outsourced your thinking to an obviously lying charlatan. The carbon cycle emits and absorbs carbon on a yearly cycle. Anthropogenic carbon cannot all be stored and that is why atmospheric CO2 has increased from 280ppm in early 1800s to 410ppm now (a 4% increase according to Lees but there you go.)

As regards previously higher CO2 levels, I did publish long extracts from a paper that discussed all that. Not my fault you didn’t read it. Ajax didn’t read it either tho it would have explained things to him. Lees just tried to find fault and missed. Go back and read it, it will take a while to read and understand but it is worth it.
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Re: Why do some people deny AGW?
Reply #271 - May 2nd, 2017 at 12:27pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on May 2nd, 2017 at 12:16pm:
Anthropogenic carbon cannot all be stored



Citation needed

Jovial Monk wrote on May 2nd, 2017 at 12:16pm:
why atmospheric CO2 has increased from 280ppm in early 1800s to 410ppm now



So how did you remove the anthropogenic CO2 from the natural? How is it that the world was in balance at 2200ppm and can't cope with a rise of 130ppm?

Jovial Monk wrote on May 2nd, 2017 at 12:16pm:
(a 4% increase according to Lees but there you go.)



You really need to lie; don't you? You just can't help yourself.

Jovial Monk wrote on May 2nd, 2017 at 12:16pm:
Lees just tried to find fault and missed.


Ah, the Phil Jones (CRU) defense. "I would publish my data; but you would just find fault with it."

If you have such conviction you could show where I missed. But you won't. Wink
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Re: Why do some people deny AGW?
Reply #272 - May 2nd, 2017 at 12:31pm
 
I DID tell you. Your problem is you don’t want to learn because then you might change your mind.
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Re: Why do some people deny AGW?
Reply #273 - May 2nd, 2017 at 12:46pm
 
Lying, again. So sad.
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Reply #274 - May 2nd, 2017 at 12:48pm
 
Nope. You did not want to know what was in the paper. If I were you I would go back, find it and read it.
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Reply #275 - May 2nd, 2017 at 1:05pm
 
Lees DID say 280==>410ppm was a 4% increase. This crap was also in a paper he cited which I had a look at and laughed.

Now, Scientific American 7 Answers for AGW deniers:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/seven-answers-to-climate-contrarian-n...
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Reply #276 - May 2nd, 2017 at 1:55pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on May 2nd, 2017 at 1:05pm:
Lees DID say 280==>410ppm was a 4% increase. This crap was also in a paper he cited which I had a look at and laughed.


But of course you have no proof of me saying it. Which I deny I did BTW. Of course with your comprehension skills, or lack of them, it may have said something entirely different. Wink

"The chemist Svante Arrhenius went further in 1896 by estimating the impact of CO2 on the climate; after painstaking hand calculations he concluded that doubling its concentration might cause almost 6 degrees Celsius of warming—an answer not much out of line with recent, far more rigorous computations."

Actually it is far less. Look for Arhennius 1906 paper where he halved his assessment. And studies since this paper was published in 2009, have shown any warming to be much less.  The IPCC has downgraded their estimates for doubling in AR5 to 2 - 4.5ºC. Back where it was in FAR.

Why do you rely on outdated papers?

"Claim 2: The alleged "hockey stick" graph of temperatures over the past 1,600 years has been disproved. It doesn't even acknowledge the existence of a "medieval warm period" around 1000 A.D. that was hotter than today is. Therefore, global warming is a myth."

"It is hard to know which is greater: contrarians' overstatement of the flaws in the historical temperature reconstruction from 1998 by Michael E. Mann and his colleagues, or the ultimate insignificance of their argument to the case for climate change.

First, there is not simply one hockey-stick reconstruction of historical temperatures using one set of proxy data. Similar evidence for sharply increasing temperatures over the past couple of centuries has turned up independently while looking at ice cores, tree rings and other proxies for direct measurements,"

Oh, No Michael E Mann and his infamous reconstruction, with its upside down, reversed Tiljander graph. Tree rings as proxies for temperature? Grin Grin

Ice cores that don't have the required certainty over centuries.

"other proxies for direct measurement" - Say what? Either it is a direct measurement or it is a proxy. Grin Grin
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Re: Why do some people deny AGW?
Reply #277 - May 2nd, 2017 at 2:16pm
 
Here is one, not the one I am thinking of tho:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1491008736/37#37
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Re: Why do some people deny AGW?
Reply #278 - May 2nd, 2017 at 2:18pm
 
It is the SA you should ask, Doofus.

That CO2 absorbs IR has been known a long time, yet still stupid deniers scream “No no no it isn’t warming!” Ridiculous and pathetic.
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Re: Why do some people deny AGW?
Reply #279 - May 2nd, 2017 at 2:26pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on May 2nd, 2017 at 2:16pm:
Here is one, not the one I am thinking of tho:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1491008736/37#37



I am assuming you are referring to the dastardly 3-4%.

Using just one of you sources SKS -

" Although our output of 29 gigatons of CO2 is tiny compared to the 750 gigatons moving through the carbon cycle each year, "

https://www.skepticalscience.com/human-co2-smaller-than-natural-emissions.htm

So 29/750 equates to 3.8%. You notice it wasn't about 400 being a 4% increase in CO2? See what I mean by comprehension issues? Wink
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Re: Why do some people deny AGW?
Reply #280 - May 2nd, 2017 at 2:27pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on May 2nd, 2017 at 2:18pm:
It is the SA you should ask, Doofus.

That CO2 absorbs IR has been known a long time, yet still stupid deniers scream “No no no it isn’t warming!” Ridiculous and pathetic.



You're the doofus quoting a 2009 article. Wink
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Reply #281 - May 2nd, 2017 at 2:32pm
 
So, the basics are still the same.
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Reply #282 - May 2nd, 2017 at 2:33pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on May 2nd, 2017 at 2:32pm:
So, the basics are still the same.


Yep. You still don't know what you are talking about.
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Reply #283 - May 2nd, 2017 at 2:34pm
 
Ad homs.
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Reply #284 - May 2nd, 2017 at 2:35pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on May 2nd, 2017 at 2:34pm:
Ad homs.


Yes, you are getting rather good at them. Wink
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