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Re: Why do some people deny AGW?
Reply #255 - May 1^st, 2017 at 7:06pm

Jovial Monk wrote on May 1^st, 2017 at 7:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 1^st, 2017 at 6:52pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on May 1^st, 2017 at 6:51pm:

Oh, you didn’t silence me, you just showed me you are not worth debating.

Of course I'm not.

I'm everything you cult members hate.

i.e. I have an open mind.

I perfectly understand how confronting that is to you people.

No Greg, you are not worth debating. Only the very frightened, like Booby, deny the globe is warming.

That's up to Booby.

Personally, I don't deny the globe is warming.

NCND

You see, I have an open mind when it comes to climate change.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Why do some people deny AGW? Reply #256 - May 1^st, 2017 at 7:08pm Solar irradiance has been below normal for the last 50 years, Ajax. Really, AGW due to GHG emissions accumulating in the atmosphere is the only explanation that makes sense and has been shown to be working by spectrometry.
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Re: Why do some people deny AGW?
Reply #257 - May 1^st, 2017 at 7:10pm

Jovial Monk wrote on May 1^st, 2017 at 7:04pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 1^st, 2017 at 6:55pm:

Deserts Across the World Bloom More Clouds from Cosmic Rays (357)

Published on Apr 30, 2017

With cosmic rays forecast to increase 19% in solar cycle 25, we can postulate that rains and floods will increase globally. What has the effect of 12.5% increase in cosmic rays had over the last 2 years? If there will be could increases we should see deserts turning green as we do across Africa, South America, USA, Australia and out of season rains in S.E. Asia plus record floods across the globe. These are a clear message that more intense rains and precipitation records will continue through 2025. This will effect crop production as well.

Isn’t the increased water vapor and precipitation due to AGW a much simpler explanation for that?

I doubt it.

More heat means worse deserts.

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Re: Why do some people deny AGW?
Reply #258 - May 1^st, 2017 at 7:12pm

Jovial Monk wrote on May 1^st, 2017 at 7:08pm:

Solar irradiance has been below normal for the last 50 years, Ajax.

Really, AGW due to GHG emissions accumulating in the atmosphere is the only explanation that makes sense and has been shown to be working by spectrometry.

Scientists who study the sun say different...... Kiss

That's the IPCC your quoting just like the highlighted section below............. Grin

Read here

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1307.3706v1.pdf

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Re: Why do some people deny AGW?
Reply #259 - May 1^st, 2017 at 8:08pm

Jovial Monk wrote on May 1^st, 2017 at 11:50am:

Natural emissions are minimal, unless you are making a “cute” reference to the carbon cycle.

You mean this "cute" reference?

" Although our output of 29 gigatons of CO2 is tiny compared to the 750 gigatons moving through the carbon cycle each year, it adds up because the land and ocean cannot absorb all of the extra CO2. "

https://www.skepticalscience.com/human-co2-smaller-than-natural-emissions.htm

And then, when CO2 was above 2200ppm, the earth was apparently in balance. But it is struggling at 400ppm. Grin

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Re: Why do some people deny AGW?
Reply #260 - May 1^st, 2017 at 8:09pm

lee wrote on May 1^st, 2017 at 8:08pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on May 1^st, 2017 at 11:50am:

Natural emissions are minimal, unless you are making a “cute” reference to the carbon cycle.

You mean this "cute" reference?

" Although our output of 29 gigatons of CO2 is tiny compared to the 750 gigatons moving through the carbon cycle each year, it adds up because the land and ocean cannot absorb all of the extra CO2. "

https://www.skepticalscience.com/human-co2-smaller-than-natural-emissions.htm

And then, when CO2 was above 2200ppm, the earth was apparently in balance. But it is struggling at 400ppm. Grin

Yet Jovial claims to have a BSc - go figure?

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Why do some people deny AGW? Reply #261 - May 1^st, 2017 at 8:10pm So you were being cute with the carbon cycle? why?
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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Why do some people deny AGW? Reply #262 - May 1^st, 2017 at 11:03pm getting any votes JV? You offer me no option to vote on.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Why do some people deny AGW? Reply #263 - May 1^st, 2017 at 11:10pm Dunno, Emma, no option for me to vote on either I wanted to find out what deniers think, you see. BTW, poor old ill informed Lees thinks FTTN is peachy. Obviously he isn’t on it (yet.)
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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Why do some people deny AGW? Reply #264 - May 2^nd, 2017 at 12:00am I agree with that. Or else he is one of the relatively lucky FEW who do get good coverage. What a waste of taxpayers money.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Why do some people deny AGW? Reply #265 - May 2^nd, 2017 at 4:11am Yeah, $60Bn and most get as good as ADSL or worse with frequent dropouts. Heh, Lees didn’t want to hear about your experience, Emma. Wonder why?
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Re: Why do some people deny AGW?
Reply #266 - May 2^nd, 2017 at 6:56am

Bobby. wrote on May 1^st, 2017 at 7:10pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on May 1^st, 2017 at 7:04pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 1^st, 2017 at 6:55pm:

Deserts Across the World Bloom More Clouds from Cosmic Rays (357)

Published on Apr 30, 2017

With cosmic rays forecast to increase 19% in solar cycle 25, we can postulate that rains and floods will increase globally. What has the effect of 12.5% increase in cosmic rays had over the last 2 years? If there will be could increases we should see deserts turning green as we do across Africa, South America, USA, Australia and out of season rains in S.E. Asia plus record floods across the globe. These are a clear message that more intense rains and precipitation records will continue through 2025. This will effect crop production as well.

Isn’t the increased water vapor and precipitation due to AGW a much simpler explanation for that?

I doubt it.

More heat means worse deserts.

No, more heat means more water vapor. When the moist air moves overland the moisture precipitates as rain.

When you want to boil a pan of water do you put it on the stove or in the fridge Booby?

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Re: Why do some people deny AGW?
Reply #267 - May 2^nd, 2017 at 6:59am

The reason you need more heat to get more evaporation/condensation is that it takes energy to speed a molecule of water up enough that it can leave the body of water and enter the atmosphere. A warming world supplies this increased energy, a cooling world removes it. That is why to boil a pan of water you put it on the stove not the fridge. If it gets cold enough and the water freezes you need to provide the energy to melt it then change its state from liquid to gas.

Just common sense, Booby, sorry. Try remembering your HS physics and chemistry.

Dubyne is LYING to you.

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Re: Why do some people deny AGW?
Reply #268 - May 2^nd, 2017 at 12:11pm

Jovial Monk wrote on May 1^st, 2017 at 11:10pm:

BTW, poor old ill informed Lees thinks FTTN is peachy. Obviously he isn’t on it (yet.)

You are right. I'm one of those that will not even get FTTN.

Jovial Monk wrote on May 2^nd, 2017 at 4:11am:

Heh, Lees didn’t want to hear about your experience, Emma. Wonder why?

As I said it is anecdotal evidence; it is not data. And I thought a scientist, like you apparently, would understand the difference between anecdotal evidence and data. Wink

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21595 Gender:	Re: Why do some people deny AGW? Reply #269 - May 2^nd, 2017 at 12:14pm Jovial Monk wrote on May 2^nd, 2017 at 6:56am: No, more heat means more water vapor. When the moist air moves overland the moisture precipitates as rain. So less drought?The AGW'ers are lying.
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