Australian Politics Forum - Why do some people deny AGW?

Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Why do some people deny AGW? Reply #225 - Apr 30^th, 2017 at 12:15pm Take it however you like, you obviously go on feelings not data.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Why do some people deny AGW? Reply #226 - Apr 30^th, 2017 at 12:34pm How AGW is affecting the Arctic, sea ice, ice sheets, precipitation etc. http://www.amap.no/documents/doc/Snow-Water-Ice-and-Permafrost.-Summary-for-Poli... Ice free Arctic by late 2030 is possible.
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Re: Why do some people deny AGW?
Reply #227 - Apr 30^th, 2017 at 12:47pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 12:34pm:

How AGW is affecting the Arctic, sea ice, ice sheets, precipitation etc.

http://www.amap.no/documents/doc/Snow-Water-Ice-and-Permafrost.-Summary-for-Poli...

Ice free Arctic by late 2030 is possible.

It's happened before and it will happen again.... Cheesy

http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/arctic-sea-ice/

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Why do some people deny AGW? Reply #228 - Apr 30^th, 2017 at 12:49pm This paper was not written by reporters or bloggers.
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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 11070 Australia Gender:	Re: Why do some people deny AGW? Reply #229 - Apr 30^th, 2017 at 1:00pm Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 12:49pm: This paper was not written by reporters or bloggers. If you took the time to read some of it you would realize that a team of Danish scientists wrote a paper..
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Re: Why do some people deny AGW?
Reply #230 - Apr 30^th, 2017 at 9:02pm

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NASA satellites record a host of vital signs including atmospheric aerosols (particles from both natural sources and human activities, such as factories, fires, deserts, and erupting volcanoes), atmospheric gases (including greenhouse gases), energy radiated from Earth’s surface and the Sun, ocean surface temperature changes, global sea level, the extent of ice sheets, glaciers and sea ice, plant growth, rainfall, cloud structure, and more.
On the ground, many agencies and nations support networks of weather and climate-monitoring stations that maintain temperature, rainfall, and snow depth records, and buoys that measure surface water and deep ocean temperatures. Taken together, these measurements provide an ever-improving record of both natural events and human activity for the past 150 years.

Scientists integrate these measurements into climate models to recreate temperatures recorded over the past 150 years. Climate model simulations that consider only natural solar variability and volcanic aerosols since 1750—omitting observed increases in greenhouse gases—are able to fit the observations of global temperatures only up until about 1950. After that point, the decadal trend in global surface warming cannot be explained without including the contribution of the greenhouse gases added by humans.

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/GlobalWarming/page4.php

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Re: Why do some people deny AGW?
Reply #231 - Apr 30^th, 2017 at 9:43pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 9:02pm:

Taken together, these measurements provide an ever-improving record of both natural events and human activity for the past 150 years.

Yes. Tell us how they got that data for the deep oceans for 150 years ago. How they could tell what the earth's temperature was 150 years ago; to 2 decimal places.

O, I see. They don't say it is accurate, but an ever improving record. Grin

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 9:02pm:

After that point, the decadal trend in global surface warming cannot be explained without including the contribution of the greenhouse gases added by humans.

But they don't include the increasing CO2 from natural emissions. So they are guessing it is all human caused. Wink

Remember those CO2 emissions shown by the OCO2 satellite?

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21592 Gender:	Re: Why do some people deny AGW? Reply #232 - Apr 30^th, 2017 at 9:45pm BTW - Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 9:02pm: Climate model simulations that consider only natural solar variability and volcanic aerosols since 1750—omitting observed increases in greenhouse gases—are able to fit the observations of global temperatures only up until about 1950 And even then not well.
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Reply #233 - Apr 30^th, 2017 at 10:15pm

lee wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 9:43pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 9:02pm:

Taken together, these measurements provide an ever-improving record of both natural events and human activity for the past 150 years.

Yes. Tell us how they got that data for the deep oceans for 150 years ago. How they could tell what the earth's temperature was 150 years ago; to 2 decimal places.

O, I see. They don't say it is accurate, but an ever improving record. Grin

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 9:02pm:

After that point, the decadal trend in global surface warming cannot be explained without including the contribution of the greenhouse gases added by humans.

But they don't include the increasing CO2 from natural emissions. So they are guessing it is all human caused. Wink

Remember those CO2 emissions shown by the OCO2 satellite?

Natural emissions like volcanoes?

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Re: Why do some people deny AGW?
Reply #234 - May 1^st, 2017 at 11:23am

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 10:15pm:

Natural emissions like volcanoes?

Nope. Natural emissions from volcanoes are included. But only to the extent of aerosols. You know particulates. Which have a cooling effect.

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 9:02pm:

Climate model simulations that consider only natural solar variability and volcanic aerosols since 1750—omitting observed increases in greenhouse gases—are able to fit the observations of global temperatures only up until about 1950

They exclude natural CO2 emissions.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Why do some people deny AGW? Reply #235 - May 1^st, 2017 at 11:50am Natural emissions are minimal, unless you are making a “cute” reference to the carbon cycle. Nope, it is the man made non condensing GHGs that are driving global warming. There is good evidence for this.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21592 Gender:	Re: Why do some people deny AGW? Reply #236 - May 1^st, 2017 at 1:21pm Jovial Monk wrote on May 1^st, 2017 at 11:50am: Natural emissions are minimal, Citation needed. Jovial Monk wrote on May 1^st, 2017 at 11:50am: Nope, it is the man made non condensing GHGs that are driving global warming. There is good evidence for this. Show us the evidence.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Why do some people deny AGW? Reply #237 - May 1^st, 2017 at 5:24pm So you were crapping on about the carbon cycle. Clumsy fail. You know the science, Lees, yet you deny. Why?
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Re: Why do some people deny AGW?
Reply #238 - May 1^st, 2017 at 5:50pm

lee wrote on May 1^st, 2017 at 1:21pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on May 1^st, 2017 at 11:50am:

Natural emissions are minimal,

Citation needed.

Jovial Monk wrote on May 1^st, 2017 at 11:50am:

Nope, it is the man made non condensing GHGs that are driving global warming. There is good evidence for this.

Show us the evidence.

Monk?

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Why do some people deny AGW? Reply #239 - May 1^st, 2017 at 5:57pm Do you deny global warming, Greg?
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It is cooling 0 (0.0%) It isn’t warming 1 (25.0%) It is warming from natural causes 0 (0.0%) It is warming from anthropogenic causes 1 (25.0%) It is warming from natural & anthropogenic causes 2 (50.0%) Total votes: 4 « Created by: Jovial Monk on: Jul 31^st, 2017 at 9:35am »