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Reply #30 - May 3rd, 2017 at 3:58pm
 
Grendel wrote on May 3rd, 2017 at 10:20am:


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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Poor, poor, Geoff.   Still not getting the message.  Tsk, tsk.  Makes me wonder why I even bother, it really does.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #31 - May 3rd, 2017 at 10:12pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 2nd, 2017 at 9:53pm:
Frank wrote on May 2nd, 2017 at 6:26pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 10:36pm:
Frank wrote on May 1st, 2017 at 5:33pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 29th, 2017 at 6:51pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 9:07pm:
If Nazis won the war it would be an established culture.
Good or bad?


Always remember, "the victors write the history, after the war is over", Gordon.  I don't doubt you'd be over-joyous as would be others here.  Tsk, tsk,  Roll Eyes

You are very Islamophile so I wonder who could be more pro-nazi here than you. You rail against every criticism of sharia, every criticism of Islamist ideology, every criticism of the backward ideology of the Koran enacted every day around the world. If Nazis were third worlders you'd be as pro-nazi as you are pro Islam. You could not say to any third world ideology, custom, value, outlook no matter who barbaric.


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Oh, poor, poor, Soren.  I am actually very critical of fascism and Nazism. 



Not when it says Allahu Akhbar.

They you are as Nazi as can be.


Which translates to "God is Great", now doesn't it, Soren? 



Somebody better tell the Christians that term is now a big, big, no, no, according to you.  Tsk, tsk. 




Allah is not the same god these guys are singing about.

Don't be daft.

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Reply #32 - May 3rd, 2017 at 11:04pm
 
Frank wrote on May 3rd, 2017 at 10:12pm:
Allah is not the same god these guys are singing about.

Don't be daft.


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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Poor, poor, Soren.   Still not getting the message.  Tsk, tsk.  Makes me wonder why I even bother, it really does.   Islam is an Abrahamic religion, at it's heart, Soren, it draws on the same traditions and has the same prophets:

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Muslims believe that there were many other prophets before Muhammad, including Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses and Jesus. They believe that all these prophets were given messages by God of the oneness of God to their communities at different times in history of mankind,

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They would differ with you, Soren about which God they worship.

However, that is by, the by.   What is important that they are both saying the same thing, "Allahu Akbar!" "God is Great!"

Time you improved your Islamic studies, if you want to keep your Madrasah certificate...   Roll Eyes
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Reply #33 - May 4th, 2017 at 9:05pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 3rd, 2017 at 11:04pm:
Frank wrote on May 3rd, 2017 at 10:12pm:
Allah is not the same god these guys are singing about.

Don't be daft.


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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Poor, poor, Soren.   Still not getting the message.  Tsk, tsk.  Makes me wonder why I even bother, it really does.   Islam is an Abrahamic religion, at it's heart, Soren, it draws on the same traditions and has the same prophets:

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Muslims believe that there were many other prophets before Muhammad, including Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses and Jesus. They believe that all these prophets were given messages by God of the oneness of God to their communities at different times in history of mankind,

[Source]

They would differ with you, Soren about which God they worship.

However, that is by, the by.   What is important that they are both saying the same thing, "Allahu Akbar!" "God is Great!"

Time you improved your Islamic studies, if you want to keep your Madrasah certificate...   Roll Eyes

Allah is not the same god as Abraham' of Jesus's god. It is plain to see from the fruits of their respective believers.

Mohammed invented a completely untenable connection to Abraham. The Koran is utter jibberish (as usual) when it comes to Biblical connections and lineages.

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Reply #34 - May 4th, 2017 at 10:58pm
 
Frank wrote on May 4th, 2017 at 9:05pm:
Allah is not the same god as Abraham' of Jesus's god. It is plain to see from the fruits of their respective believers.

Mohammed invented a completely untenable connection to Abraham. The Koran is utter jibberish (as usual) when it comes to Biblical connections and lineages.


It matters not, Soren.  The Muslims believe that they worship the same God and that is all that matters in the end.   You may feel they aren't worshipping the same God but who cares what you think?  You're an Islamophobe and therefore unimportant in the overall scheme of things.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #35 - May 5th, 2017 at 12:19pm
 
Untrue....  some people say they are the same God....  most Muslims I know do not...  they state that Christ is not God nor the Son of God only a prophet they state he did not rise after death, and that God is a single entity and not a Triumvirate or 3 personed God or if you like...  The Holy Trinity.


Hmmm and you claim to be a Dr of Divinity....  is that a certificate for Divining water perhaps?
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Reply #36 - May 5th, 2017 at 1:43pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 27th, 2017 at 6:24pm:
Grendel wrote on Apr 27th, 2017 at 4:25pm:
So bwian....  all cultures are essentially equal are they.
Prove it. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Look around you, Geoff.  Look around you, with an honest eye.   All those cultures, equal and happily getting along.    Roll Eyes


I don't know what you mean Brain Ross. What is the quality of sameness to which you refer? How is it measured?

I see the world in great cultural conflict ATM, with political super powers threatening or engaging military action. 
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Reply #37 - May 5th, 2017 at 2:58pm
 
Hmmm  look around me....

I see conflict every day bwian....  where do you live again?
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Reply #38 - May 5th, 2017 at 8:23pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 4th, 2017 at 10:58pm:
Frank wrote on May 4th, 2017 at 9:05pm:
Allah is not the same god as Abraham' of Jesus's god. It is plain to see from the fruits of their respective believers.

Mohammed invented a completely untenable connection to Abraham. The Koran is utter jibberish (as usual) when it comes to Biblical connections and lineages.


It matters not, Soren.  The Muslims believe that they worship the same God and that is all that matters in the end.   You may feel they aren't worshipping the same God but who cares what you think?  You're an Islamophobe and therefore unimportant in the overall scheme of things.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Maybe to you it is only what Muslims believe that matters.

For the rest of us there is more to life than submitting to the idiocy of an illiterate trader turned warlord.
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Reply #39 - May 5th, 2017 at 11:14pm
 
Frank wrote on May 5th, 2017 at 8:23pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 4th, 2017 at 10:58pm:
Frank wrote on May 4th, 2017 at 9:05pm:
Allah is not the same god as Abraham' of Jesus's god. It is plain to see from the fruits of their respective believers.

Mohammed invented a completely untenable connection to Abraham. The Koran is utter jibberish (as usual) when it comes to Biblical connections and lineages.


It matters not, Soren.  The Muslims believe that they worship the same God and that is all that matters in the end.   You may feel they aren't worshipping the same God but who cares what you think?  You're an Islamophobe and therefore unimportant in the overall scheme of things.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Maybe to you it is only what Muslims believe that matters.

For the rest of us there is more to life than submitting to the idiocy of an illiterate trader turned warlord.


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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, what you think is immaterial to this issue, Soren.  You're mentally ill with Islamophobia.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #40 - May 6th, 2017 at 9:07am
 
Oh no not
Islamaphobia
again....
Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
psst bwian.
It's not a winning argument buddy. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #41 - May 6th, 2017 at 12:13pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 5th, 2017 at 11:14pm:
You're mentally ill with Islamophobia.    Roll Eyes

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You sound like the Stalinist you are - any opposing ideas are sign of 'mental illness'. You 'progressives' are the proud heirs to the totalitarian mindset, with your constant 'islamophobia' mongering.

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Reply #42 - May 6th, 2017 at 1:28pm
 
The Great Multicultural Fraud
To call Australia "multicultural" is a misnomer. To illustrate the point we can compare culture with language. Australia's language is English, both in the official sense and in the practical sense. There are, however, some people in Australia who speak another language as their "first" language, so in a pedantic sense the country could be termed "multilingual" (but which would infer that most Australians are everyday speakers of foreign languages). Yet, only an idiot would seriously describe Australia as "multilingual": it is an "English speaking country" which happens to have a small minority of people who speak other languages (with only an extremely small minority who can't speak English at all). So it is with culture: the vast majority of Australians adhere to the Australian culture (even fewer are those who adhere solely to another culture).

Don't be misled by statistics of "ethnic background": the vast majority of the Australian-born (second generation, third generation, or whatever) are Australians, who are part of the Australian culture; some may be raised in such a way as to be imbued with aspects of another culture, but that does not change the overall picture: we share (broadly) the same way of life; speak the same language; relate to the same national icons; operate under the same cultural mode of everyday behaviour; and we live in, and enjoy, the same country. Culturally, most Australians are just that: Australian.

A survey conducted for the Office of Multicultural Affairs revealed some interesting results: that only 9% of Australians considered themselves to belong to a non-Australian ethnic or cultural group (2% of which were "British"), with only 3% actually being members of "an organised group with ethnic affiliations". It was also shown that "only a quarter of the second generation sample saw themselves as belonging to an ethnic group as did just under a third of the first-generation group. The only sub-sample where more than half identified with an ethnic group was the recent arrivals."(72)

Thus, most migrants can be viewed in a different light to that being shown by the multicultural lobbyists, that despite being statistically classified as being of "ethnic background", many have adopted the Australian culture as their own and often have become virtually indistinguishable from the native-born. Of course, many are unable to assimilate so easily, either because they come from a culture that cannot adapt readily to ours, or because they have fallen into the clutches of Political Multiculturalism which demands that they don't assimilate.(73)

The fact is that Australia is not a multicultural country. To use an analogy, it can readily be seen that a white dog, with a pink tongue and black paws, would only seriously be described as "multicoloured" by an idiot, or someone with an ulterior motive; so it is with multiculturalism: there is an ulterior motive behind the push to call Australia "multicultural". The reasoning is that if Australia is called "multicultural" (which would imply that most Australians are everyday practitioners of foreign cultures), that the entire country will be perceived to be, as a whole, "multicultural" (no matter what the reality is); that, if this country is "multicultural", we therefore need "multicultural policies", that therefore we need "multiculturalism", which will then be used to turn Australia "on its head" to produce a multiculturalist, internationalist society.

The phase so often used by multiculturalists, that "Australia is a multicultural society" is a cleverly constructed political phrase that is used to justify Political Multiculturalism. Despite its pretensions to moral grandeur; multiculturalism is simply a political ideology, pushed by internationalists and small "l" liberals, that is dangerous and destructive, and promises only one end for our country: the death of the Australian culture and our national identity.

Australia is not a "multicultural society", it is a monocultural society with some ethnic minority cultures at its edges, or to be more succinct, Australia is a "core-culture society". The term "multicultural society" implies that the entirety of our society is multicultural, which is far from the truth, and is a term used in support of a political ideology. The term "core-cultural society" is a far more accurate and truthful description of the Australian nation.

As Brian Bullivant has warned, "We have become so accustomed to the regularly parroted assertion, 'Australia is a multicultural society', that there is a considerable risk of assuming that such a society exists." (74)

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Reply #43 - May 6th, 2017 at 3:11pm
 
Frank wrote on May 6th, 2017 at 12:13pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 5th, 2017 at 11:14pm:
You're mentally ill with Islamophobia.    Roll Eyes

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You sound like the Stalinist you are - any opposing ideas are sign of 'mental illness'. You 'progressives' are the proud heirs to the totalitarian mindset, with your constant 'islamophobia' mongering.


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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.   Tsk, tsk, ad hominem arguments again, Soren?   Such a silly sausage.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #44 - May 6th, 2017 at 3:56pm
 
Nom de Plume wrote on May 5th, 2017 at 1:43pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 27th, 2017 at 6:24pm:
Grendel wrote on Apr 27th, 2017 at 4:25pm:
So bwian....  all cultures are essentially equal are they.
Prove it. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Look around you, Geoff.  Look around you, with an honest eye.   All those cultures, equal and happily getting along.    Roll Eyes


I don't know what you mean Brain Ross. What is the quality of sameness to which you refer? How is it measured?

I see the world in great cultural conflict ATM, with political super powers threatening or engaging military action. 


Are you ignoring me?
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