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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: The diminishing % effectiveness of CO2 as a GHG Reply #60 - Apr 29^th, 2017 at 5:56pm I post scientific info. Not crap.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21377 Gender:	Re: The diminishing % effectiveness of CO2 as a GHG Reply #61 - Apr 29^th, 2017 at 6:01pm Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 5:56pm: I post scientific info. Not crap. Even from SKS? Incoming radiation - only visible light and ultraviolet light?
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Re: The diminishing % effectiveness of CO2 as a GHG
Reply #62 - May 17^th, 2017 at 11:45am

lee wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 6:01pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 5:56pm:

I post scientific info. Not crap.

Even from SKS? Wink

Incoming radiation - only visible light and ultraviolet light? Grin

What does incoming radiation have to do with GHGs blocking outgoing IR so warming the globe?

Have you found out yet about frequencies of the outgoing solar IR radiation? No denier site has that info? What about the NASA solar observatory?

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Re: The diminishing % effectiveness of CO2 as a GHG
Reply #63 - May 17^th, 2017 at 12:18pm

Jovial Monk wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 11:45am:

What does incoming radiation have to do with GHGs blocking outgoing IR so warming the globe?

Because logic tells us the CO2 will have a similar effect on incoming IR, not just OG IR. Has your spectrometry tested for this?

Jovial Monk wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 11:45am:

Have you found out yet about frequencies of the outgoing solar IR radiation? No denier site has that info? What about the NASA solar observatory?

Has NASA shown that the incoming IR is at a different part of the IR spectrum?

If so; link please. Wink

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: The diminishing % effectiveness of CO2 as a GHG Reply #64 - May 17^th, 2017 at 12:23pm So, no answers just waffle.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21377 Gender:	Re: The diminishing % effectiveness of CO2 as a GHG Reply #65 - May 17^th, 2017 at 12:32pm Jovial Monk wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 12:23pm: So, no answers just waffle. You're the one telling us he's a scientist. I ask questions. You just don't have the answers. That is not my fault.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: The diminishing % effectiveness of CO2 as a GHG Reply #66 - May 17^th, 2017 at 12:39pm If you put up a hypothesis up to you to develop it and find evidence. Or admit it is crap.
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Reply #67 - May 17^th, 2017 at 12:55pm

Reposted. To save your mind.

It seems even NASA is having trouble with it,

"These kinds of experimental studies are very difficult to make using terrestrial infrared telescopes because Earth's own atmosphere is loaded with water and other molecules that strongly absorb incoming radiation, making the atmosphere opaque. In fact, there are only a frustratingly few wavelength regions where incoming infrared radiation can be studied without interference from atmospheric gases. For example, there are localized "windows' at 4.7-5.2, 7-13, and 20 μm, among others. This is why it is common to locate observatories high on mountain tops, where they are above at least some of the Earth's atmosphere. Better yet, of course, is to send infrared instruments into space where the atmospheric interferences are avoided altogether."

https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/docs/Here_Comes_Heat.pdf

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Reply #68 - May 17^th, 2017 at 1:03pm

lee wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 12:55pm:

Reposted. To save your mind.

It seems even NASA is having trouble with it,

"These kinds of experimental studies are very difficult to make using terrestrial infrared telescopes because Earth's own atmosphere is loaded with water and other molecules that strongly absorb incoming radiation, making the atmosphere opaque. In fact, there are only a frustratingly few wavelength regions where incoming infrared radiation can be studied without interference from atmospheric gases. For example, there are localized "windows' at 4.7-5.2, 7-13, and 20 μm, among others. This is why it is common to locate observatories high on mountain tops, where they are above at least some of the Earth's atmosphere. Better yet, of course, is to send infrared instruments into space where the atmospheric interferences are avoided altogether."

https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/docs/Here_Comes_Heat.pdf

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TheFunPolice Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9009 waggawagga Gender:	Re: The diminishing % effectiveness of CO2 as a GHG Reply #69 - May 17^th, 2017 at 1:04pm lee wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 12:32pm: Jovial Monk wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 12:23pm: So, no answers just waffle. You're the one telling us he's a scientist. I ask questions. You just don't have the answers. That is not my fault. Why don't you provide some answers?
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: The diminishing % effectiveness of CO2 as a GHG Reply #70 - May 17^th, 2017 at 1:32pm So that is why satellite spectrometry is also used and shows “holes” at the frequencies corresponding to the GHGs. Quite a wide band of IR, isn’t there?
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21377 Gender:	Re: The diminishing % effectiveness of CO2 as a GHG Reply #71 - May 17^th, 2017 at 2:06pm Jovial Monk wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 1:32pm: So that is why satellite spectrometry is also used and shows “holes” at the frequencies corresponding to the GHGs. Quite a wide band of IR, isn’t there? Yes and is there any discernible difference between Incoming and Outgoing IR?
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: The diminishing % effectiveness of CO2 as a GHG Reply #72 - May 17^th, 2017 at 3:12pm Your theory, you develop it or admit you are bullshitting because you deny AGW and probably would like to deny all warming.
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Re: The diminishing % effectiveness of CO2 as a GHG
Reply #73 - May 17^th, 2017 at 3:33pm

Jovial Monk wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 3:12pm:

Your theory, you develop it or admit you are bullshitting because you deny AGW and probably would like to deny all warming.

Nope. I don't need to do anything. Show where incoming IR does not have an effect on CO2. Your theory is that it is only outgoing IR that is affected.

Show that CO2 has this magical property that can tell from whence the IR came. Wink

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: The diminishing % effectiveness of CO2 as a GHG Reply #74 - May 17^th, 2017 at 3:36pm Nope, you come up with a theory, up to you to develop it and look for evidence. I await with bated breath. . .expecting you to cut and run.
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