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The diminishing % effectiveness of CO2 as a GHG
Apr 24th, 2017 at 1:16pm
 
Hey JV and DRAH,

Stop worrying, even the IPCC acknowledges that the more CO2 that's in the air the more its power to trap infra red heat diminishes.


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https://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/05/08/the-effectiveness-of-co2-as-a-greenhouse-...
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Reply #1 - Apr 25th, 2017 at 10:58am
 
Ajax wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 1:16pm:
Hey JV and DRAH,

Stop worrying, even the IPCC acknowledges that the more CO2 that's in the air the more its power to trap infra red heat diminishes.



That's partially true but extremely misleading (but why shouldn't I be surprised with it coming from whatsupwiththat  Grin Grin Grin Grin)

Each additional 100ppm of CO2 will produce slightly less additional warming however the problem is that our emissions have been logarithmicly increasing and CO2 concentrations have also been logarithmicly increasing which will more than cancel out any diminished sensitivity.
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So your denier blogs have got it hopelessly wrong again. But of course you will still believe the propaganda that they feed you  Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #2 - Apr 25th, 2017 at 11:03am
 
Compared to natural CO2 emissions mans emissions of CO2 are just too small to register.

Notice the sharp rise in fossil fuel CO2 emissions after 2000.

After 2000 fossil fuel emissions were 3 times the amount of fossil fuel emissions in the prior decade to 2000, that is 3 times as much fossil fuel emission went into our atmosphere after 2000 than the decade before 2000.

But the average yearly increase after 2000 just like the decade prior to 2000, average increase in CO2 remains more or less steady at 2.1ppm per year.

Fossil fuel CO2 emissions at 2.3% of the total CO2 natural emissions are insignificant and get lost in the noise.

That's why the average yearly increase of CO2 has remained steady at 2.1ppm per year even though fossil fuel emissions have shot through the roof.

Again your argument is shot down.

Yes fossil fuels emissions contribute but the contribution is small at 2.3% of the total amount of natural CO2 that is emitted.

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Reply #3 - Apr 25th, 2017 at 11:04am
 
However I must congratulate you and whatsupwiththat for finally accepting that CO2 is a green house gas and causes warming.

We are making progress
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Reply #4 - Apr 25th, 2017 at 11:07am
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Apr 25th, 2017 at 11:04am:
However I must congratulate you and whatsupwiththat for finally accepting that CO2 is a green house gas and causes warming.

We are making progress


Blogs like WUWT present facts from BOTH sides, they donot try to mislead the reader or sway him in anyway.

The same cant be said for that anything BUT skeptical science blog run by the cartoonist John Cook..... Grin
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Reply #5 - Apr 25th, 2017 at 11:08am
 
Ajax wrote on Apr 25th, 2017 at 11:03am:
Compared to natural CO2 emissions mans emissions of CO2 are just too small to register.



Ajax I have already explained the carbon cycle to you but you still fail to understand.

Natural emissions of CO2 are in general balanced by natural absorption of CO2. Its called the carbon cycle.
Then along comes fossil fuel burning and we are suddenly emitting additional CO2, and this additional CO2 accumulates in the atmosphere.
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Reply #6 - Apr 25th, 2017 at 11:12am
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Apr 25th, 2017 at 11:08am:
Ajax wrote on Apr 25th, 2017 at 11:03am:
Compared to natural CO2 emissions mans emissions of CO2 are just too small to register.



Ajax I have already explained the carbon cycle to you but you still fail to understand.

Natural emissions of CO2 are in general balanced by natural absorption of CO2. Its called the carbon cycle.
Then along comes fossil fuel burning and we are suddenly emitting additional CO2, and this additional CO2 accumulates in the atmosphere.


Yes this is true I agree with you.

But mans emissions are so small compared to the natural CO2 emissions they don't even register, that's why the average increase in CO2 has been steady, instead of sky rocketing as you think it should.
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Reply #7 - Apr 25th, 2017 at 11:12am
 
Ajax wrote on Apr 25th, 2017 at 11:07am:
Blogs like WUWT present facts from BOTH sides, they donot try to mislead the reader or sway him in anyway.



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Reply #8 - Apr 25th, 2017 at 11:14am
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Apr 25th, 2017 at 11:12am:
Ajax wrote on Apr 25th, 2017 at 11:07am:
Blogs like WUWT present facts from BOTH sides, they donot try to mislead the reader or sway him in anyway.



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Oh show me an article that tries to brainwash its reader like the sceptical science stooges do.

BTW have you ever read some of the responses those sceptical science stooges get...............LOL
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Reply #9 - Apr 25th, 2017 at 11:20am
 
Ajax wrote on Apr 25th, 2017 at 11:12am:
But mans emissions are so small compared to the natural CO2 emissions they don't even register


That is irrelevant
Natural emissions are balanced out by natural absorption

Let me try and explain it this way.

If $101 goes into your account and then $100 gets withdrawn then your bank balance will increase by $1.
If $1,000,001 goes into your account and $1,000,000 gets withdrawn then your bank balance will still increase by only $1.

The size of the transactions are irrelevant, it is only the net gain which is relevant.

It is the same with the additional CO2 emitted from human sources
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Reply #10 - Apr 25th, 2017 at 11:33am
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Apr 25th, 2017 at 11:20am:
Ajax wrote on Apr 25th, 2017 at 11:12am:
But mans emissions are so small compared to the natural CO2 emissions they don't even register


That is irrelevant
Natural emissions are balanced out by natural absorption

Let me try and explain it this way.

If $101 goes into your account and then $100 gets withdrawn then your bank balance will increase by $1.
If $1,000,001 goes into your account and $1,000,000 gets withdrawn then your bank balance will still increase by only $1.

The size of the transactions are irrelevant, it is only the net gain which is relevant.

It is the same with the additional CO2 emitted from human sources


You seem to have conveniently forgotten that today we have some of the lowest atmospheric CO2 levels in our history, in 550 million years it has only been this low once before.

Our carbon sinks are much greater than what you have been told, otherwise they wouldn't be able to handle mans emissions and CO2 would exponentially grow like you say.

BUT UNFORTUNATELY FOR YOU THIS ISN"T HAPPENING.

It's not as though we're shipping CO2 in from Mars, we are using fossil fuels from the Earth which when burnt create CO2 gas that is of the Earth.

Who told you that 280ppm was the ideal level of CO2 in our atmosphere when history shows that our CO2 levels in the atmosphere have ALWAYS been much higher.

Can you bottle climate change, I think not my friend.

Climate change has been with us since day dot and will continue to change until the Earth is no more.

Man cannot harness climate change, get that through your head.

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Reply #11 - Apr 25th, 2017 at 11:58am
 
Ajax wrote on Apr 25th, 2017 at 11:33am:
You seem to have conveniently forgotten that today we have some of the lowest atmospheric CO2 levels in our history, in 550 million years it has only been this low once before.


Your 550 million year time scale is completely irrelevant considering human civilization has only been around for about 30,000 years

Ajax wrote on Apr 25th, 2017 at 11:33am:
Our carbon sinks are much greater than what you have been told, otherwise they wouldn't be able to handle mans emissions and CO2 would exponentially grow like you say.
BUT UNFORTUNATELY FOR YOU THIS ISN"T HAPPENING.


CO2 concentrations are growing rapidly. Measuring stations at Cape Grim and Mauna Loa are irrefutable evidence of this.


Ajax wrote on Apr 25th, 2017 at 11:33am:
It's not as though we're shipping CO2 in from Mars, we are using fossil fuels from the Earth which when burnt create CO2 gas that is of the Earth.


We are taking CO2 that is buried underground and releasing it into the atmosphere. Of course that is going to have an effect on our atmosphere.

Ajax wrote on Apr 25th, 2017 at 11:33am:
Who told you that 280ppm was the ideal level of CO2 in our atmosphere when history shows that our CO2 levels in the atmosphere have ALWAYS been much higher.


280ppm is ideal for human civilisation because that is what we have been used to. The level it was at prior to human civilisation is irrelevant because we were not around then.

Ajax wrote on Apr 25th, 2017 at 11:33am:
Can you bottle climate change, I think not my friend.
Climate change has been with us since day dot and will continue to change until the Earth is no more.
Man cannot harness climate change, get that through your head.


The fact that the climate has changed naturally in the past is in fact evidence that the climate can also be changed by human activities. 7 billion people pumping CO2 into the atmosphere is going to cause some changes.

You can bury your head in the sand Ajax but your cut and paste posts show that you have a very poor grasp of scientific principles
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Reply #12 - Apr 25th, 2017 at 2:38pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Apr 25th, 2017 at 11:20am:
Ajax wrote on Apr 25th, 2017 at 11:12am:
But mans emissions are so small compared to the natural CO2 emissions they don't even register


That is irrelevant
Natural emissions are balanced out by natural absorption

Let me try and explain it this way.

If $101 goes into your account and then $100 gets withdrawn then your bank balance will increase by $1.
If $1,000,001 goes into your account and $1,000,000 gets withdrawn then your bank balance will still increase by only $1.

The size of the transactions are irrelevant, it is only the net gain which is relevant.

It is the same with the additional CO2 emitted from human sources


Which UN boondoggle does Nature account to?  I mean to have a perfectly balance debit and credit system in Co2 is amazing. Or perhaps it is bullshyte.
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Reply #13 - Apr 25th, 2017 at 3:47pm
 
Ajax wrote on Apr 25th, 2017 at 11:33am:
The_Barnacle wrote on Apr 25th, 2017 at 11:20am:
Ajax wrote on Apr 25th, 2017 at 11:12am:
But mans emissions are so small compared to the natural CO2 emissions they don't even register


That is irrelevant
Natural emissions are balanced out by natural absorption

Let me try and explain it this way.

If $101 goes into your account and then $100 gets withdrawn then your bank balance will increase by $1.
If $1,000,001 goes into your account and $1,000,000 gets withdrawn then your bank balance will still increase by only $1.

The size of the transactions are irrelevant, it is only the net gain which is relevant.

It is the same with the additional CO2 emitted from human sources


You seem to have conveniently forgotten that today we have some of the lowest atmospheric CO2 levels in our history, in 550 million years it has only been this low once before.

Our carbon sinks are much greater than what you have been told, otherwise they wouldn't be able to handle mans emissions and CO2 would exponentially grow like you say.

BUT UNFORTUNATELY FOR YOU THIS ISN"T HAPPENING.

It's not as though we're shipping CO2 in from Mars, we are using fossil fuels from the Earth which when burnt create CO2 gas that is of the Earth.

Who told you that 280ppm was the ideal level of CO2 in our atmosphere when history shows that our CO2 levels in the atmosphere have ALWAYS been much higher.

Can you bottle climate change, I think not my friend.

Climate change has been with us since day dot and will continue to change until the Earth is no more.

Man cannot harness climate change, get that through your head.

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Reply #14 - Apr 25th, 2017 at 5:01pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Apr 25th, 2017 at 11:20am:
Natural emissions are balanced out by natural absorption



So when the earth had CO2 levels of 2200ppm it was in balance; and now 400ppm it can't balance? Grin Grin Grin
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