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Reply #60 - Apr 18th, 2017 at 7:25am
 
Richdude wrote on Apr 18th, 2017 at 3:45am:
Before the Vietnam war the media was screaming "red menace", the "domino theory" and "if Australians don't fight the commos up there well be fighting them in the streets of Sydney". Total BS of course but it worked and if anyone dared to disagree or state the obvious he must a "commo sympathizer". Bit like being a "conspiracy theorist" now. Propaganda designed for the ignorant, apathetic and weak minded.

Same tactics was used by the US media to persuade the public. 50,000 US troops and over a million Vietnamese - much of Vietnam has been destroyed by the defoliants used.

McNamara admitted faking the Gulf of Tonkin incident and expressed regret over his actions. At any other time or country "I would have been executed for war crimes". Go figure!
Question is why did those propaganda writers and speakers never ever go to jail? 

The fake media is enemy No 1!


but according to gweggy and long the Gulf of Tonkin really happened..  Cheesy

and that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq  Cheesy

durrrrr  Cheesy
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Reply #61 - Apr 18th, 2017 at 8:57am
 
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Apr 18th, 2017 at 7:25am:
Richdude wrote on Apr 18th, 2017 at 3:45am:
Before the Vietnam war the media was screaming "red menace", the "domino theory" and "if Australians don't fight the commos up there well be fighting them in the streets of Sydney". Total BS of course but it worked and if anyone dared to disagree or state the obvious he must a "commo sympathizer". Bit like being a "conspiracy theorist" now. Propaganda designed for the ignorant, apathetic and weak minded.

Same tactics was used by the US media to persuade the public. 50,000 US troops and over a million Vietnamese - much of Vietnam has been destroyed by the defoliants used.

McNamara admitted faking the Gulf of Tonkin incident and expressed regret over his actions. At any other time or country "I would have been executed for war crimes". Go figure!
Question is why did those propaganda writers and speakers never ever go to jail? 

The fake media is enemy No 1!


but according to gweggy and long the Gulf of Tonkin really happened..  Cheesy

and that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq  Cheesy

durrrrr  Cheesy


Well they are either stupid or propagandists. Either way ignore them.

You gotta wonder what weekends Mum has to say though?
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Reply #62 - Apr 18th, 2017 at 9:04am
 
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/02/vietnam-presidents-lie-to-...

When presidents lie to make a war
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Fifty years on we know the trigger for war with Vietnam was a fiction. Will it be another 50 before we know the truth about Iraq?

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Lyndon Johnson’s repeated accusation that the Gulf of Tonkin attacks were unprovoked was the beginning of a disillusion that would lead Daniel Ellsberg to leak the Pentagon Papers. Photograph: Yoichi R Okamoto/AP

Once there was a president who warned the world about conduct his government would not tolerate. And when this “red line” was crossed, or seemed to be, he took the US to war. Though this might sound like America’s involvement in Iraq, or Afghanistan, or Belgrade, or Libya, and what may yet become a wider war in Syria, this story began 50 years ago, on 4 August 1964.

That was when Lyndon Johnson interrupted TV broadcasts shortly before midnight to announce that two US ships in the Gulf of Tonkin had come under fire in international waters, and that in response to what the president described as this “unprovoked” attack, “air action is now in execution” against “facilities in North Vietnam which have been used in these hostile operations”.


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The Americans launched 64 bombing sorties, destroying an oil depot, a coal mine and a significant portion of the North Vietnamese navy. Three days later, both houses of Congress passed a joint resolution authorising “the president, as commander-in-chief, to take all necessary measures to repel any armed attack against the forces of the US and to prevent further aggression”. Within three years the US would have 500,000 soldiers in Vietnam. Even today, the Gulf of Tonkin resolution remains the template for presidential war-making.

That 4 August, Daniel Ellsberg was starting work at the Pentagon. A young mathematician who had served as a captain in the marines, then gone on to graduate study at Harvard and a job as a civilian analyst for the Rand Corporation, where he had helped shape America’s response to the Cuban missile crisis, Ellsberg was among the first to receive the classified “flash” signal from the USS Turner Joy, the destroyer that claimed to be under attack.

At the time a devout cold warrior, Ellsberg told me his initial reaction was “We must strike back”. Yet within a few days, when Johnson repeated his accusation that “the attacks were deliberate. The attacks were unprovoked”, and assured the world that “we seek no wider war”, Ellsberg knew “all of those statements were false” – the beginnings of a disillusion that would eventually lead him to leak the top secret Pentagon Papers seven years later. What he didn’t know, and what remained for decades one of America’s most tightly guarded secrets, is that the attack on 4 August may never actually have happened.


I recently interviewed Ellsberg for the BBC. His memory of the Gulf of Tonkin incident was vivid, detailed and totally consistent with the documents – many of them classified “top secret” – which historians have spent years tracking down. But what struck me most forcefully in talking to him and to other witnesses and historians about those events were the remarkable parallels with our world today.

Like Barack Obama, Lyndon Johnson was a president who felt “the fierce urgency of now” to address the glaring inequalities of American society. Just a month earlier, with Martin Luther King Jr standing at his side he had signed the civil rights act, ending racial segregation. And as the Pulitzer prizewinning historian Frederik Logevall told me, “Johnson apparently said in the spring of ’64, ‘I don’t think we can win in Vietnam and I don’t think we can get out.’ You can have all the military power in the world, but if you can’t win the thing politically then you’re not going to succeed.”

Reading headlines from Syria, or watching the news from Iraq – where an army which had been trained and equipped at enormous expense simply laid down their weapons and ran away, abandoning territory that had cost British and American troops their lives –it has been impossible to resist the sensation, in the words of the great Yankee catcher Yogi Berra, that this was “deja vu all over again”. Listening to Obama and David Cameron respond to the debacle in Iraq, I kept hearing echoes of President Kennedy declaring in September 1963: “I don’t think that unless a greater effort is made by the government to win popular support that the war can be won out there.”

Thanks to Edward Snowden and the Guardian we know a great deal more about how Britain and America view the world – and their own citizens – than was even suspected in 1964. But we still may have to wait decades to find out what George Bush said to Tony Blair about Iraq, or what Obama told David Cameron about Syria. We can, however, finally tell the full story of what happened – and didn’t – in the Gulf of Tonkin.

War, Lies and Audiotape, an episode of BBC Radio 4’s Archive Hour, will be broadcast on Saturday 1 August at 8pm

• This article was amended on 6 August 2014. An earlier version described the destroyer Turner Joy as a battleship.

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Reply #63 - Apr 18th, 2017 at 9:06am
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

Operation Northwoods


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Operation Northwoods memorandum (13 March 1962)[1]

Lyman L. Lemnitzer, who was in charge as the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
Operation Northwoods was a proposed false flag operation against the Cuban government, that originated within the U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) and the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) of the United States government in 1962. The proposals called for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) or other U.S. government operatives to commit acts of terrorism against American civilians and military targets, blaming it on the Cuban government, and using it to justify a war against Cuba. The plans detailed in the document included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.[2] The proposals were rejected by the Kennedy administration.[3]

At the time of the proposal, communists led by Fidel Castro had recently taken power in Cuba. The operation proposed creating public support for a war against Cuba by blaming it for terrorist acts that would actually be perpetrated by the U.S. Government.[4] To this end, Operation Northwoods proposals recommended hijackings and bombings followed by the introduction of phony evidence that would implicate the Cuban government. It stated:

The desired resultant from the execution of this plan would be to place the United States in the apparent position of suffering defensible grievances from a rash and irresponsible government of Cuba and to develop an international image of a Cuban threat to peace in the Western Hemisphere.

Several other proposals were included within Operation Northwoods, including real or simulated actions against various U.S. military and civilian targets. The operation recommended developing a "Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington".

The plan was drafted by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, signed by Chairman Lyman Lemnitzer and sent to the Secretary of Defense. Although part of the U.S. government's anti-communist Cuban Project, Operation Northwoods was never officially accepted; it was authorized by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but then rejected by President John F. Kennedy. According to currently released documentation, none of the operations became active under the auspices of the Operation Northwoods proposals.

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Reply #64 - Apr 18th, 2017 at 12:29pm
 
Don't forget Operation Gladio Mr Light. Carried out in the 60's and 70's.

CIA operatives in Europe bombing public buildings and planting evidence to implicate "The Red Brigade". A fictional communist group of radicals plotting to overthrow their respective Governments. A propaganda exercise to make Europeans think that communists were trying to undermine their democracies.
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Reply #65 - Apr 18th, 2017 at 12:46pm
 
Richdude wrote on Apr 18th, 2017 at 12:29pm:
Don't forget Operation Gladio Mr Light. Carried out in the 60's and 70's.

CIA operatives in Europe bombing public buildings and planting evidence to implicate "The Red Brigade". A fictional communist group of radicals plotting to overthrow their respective Governments. A propaganda exercise to make Europeans think that communists were trying to undermine their democracies.
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too true richdude .. and here

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The plans detailed in the document included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.[2] The proposals were rejected by the Kennedy administration.[3]


one of the reasons kennedy got assassinated one may suppose ...
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Reply #66 - Apr 18th, 2017 at 5:01pm
 
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Apr 18th, 2017 at 7:25am:
Richdude wrote on Apr 18th, 2017 at 3:45am:
Before the Vietnam war the media was screaming "red menace", the "domino theory" and "if Australians don't fight the commos up there well be fighting them in the streets of Sydney". Total BS of course but it worked and if anyone dared to disagree or state the obvious he must a "commo sympathizer". Bit like being a "conspiracy theorist" now. Propaganda designed for the ignorant, apathetic and weak minded.

Same tactics was used by the US media to persuade the public. 50,000 US troops and over a million Vietnamese - much of Vietnam has been destroyed by the defoliants used.

McNamara admitted faking the Gulf of Tonkin incident and expressed regret over his actions. At any other time or country "I would have been executed for war crimes". Go figure!
Question is why did those propaganda writers and speakers never ever go to jail? 

The fake media is enemy No 1!


but according to gweggy and long the Gulf of Tonkin really happened..  Cheesy

and that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq  Cheesy

durrrrr  Cheesy



actually....


it really happened according to the hundreds that were there and every reputable historian. Only the tinfoil hat brigade says different.
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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
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Reply #67 - Apr 19th, 2017 at 12:53am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Apr 18th, 2017 at 5:01pm:
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Apr 18th, 2017 at 7:25am:
Richdude wrote on Apr 18th, 2017 at 3:45am:
Before the Vietnam war the media was screaming "red menace", the "domino theory" and "if Australians don't fight the commos up there well be fighting them in the streets of Sydney". Total BS of course but it worked and if anyone dared to disagree or state the obvious he must a "commo sympathizer". Bit like being a "conspiracy theorist" now. Propaganda designed for the ignorant, apathetic and weak minded.

Same tactics was used by the US media to persuade the public. 50,000 US troops and over a million Vietnamese - much of Vietnam has been destroyed by the defoliants used.

McNamara admitted faking the Gulf of Tonkin incident and expressed regret over his actions. At any other time or country "I would have been executed for war crimes". Go figure!
Question is why did those propaganda writers and speakers never ever go to jail? 

The fake media is enemy No 1!


but according to gweggy and long the Gulf of Tonkin really happened..  Cheesy

and that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq  Cheesy

durrrrr  Cheesy



actually....


it really happened according to the hundreds that were there and every reputable historian. Only the tinfoil hat brigade says different.



That was the story presented at the time to fool the public into war. Weekend still believes it............LOL!

Weekend thinks that if its not in the Womans Weekly its not real - just fantasies of deranged people.

For those of us who are not satisfied with the media's nonsense and want to dig a bit deeper and wider. We find a very different story.


This is what Herman Goring had to say.

“Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America nor, for that matter, in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship. ... [V]oice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.”


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Reply #68 - Apr 19th, 2017 at 9:03am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Apr 18th, 2017 at 5:01pm:
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Apr 18th, 2017 at 7:25am:
Richdude wrote on Apr 18th, 2017 at 3:45am:
Before the Vietnam war the media was screaming "red menace", the "domino theory" and "if Australians don't fight the commos up there well be fighting them in the streets of Sydney". Total BS of course but it worked and if anyone dared to disagree or state the obvious he must a "commo sympathizer". Bit like being a "conspiracy theorist" now. Propaganda designed for the ignorant, apathetic and weak minded.

Same tactics was used by the US media to persuade the public. 50,000 US troops and over a million Vietnamese - much of Vietnam has been destroyed by the defoliants used.

McNamara admitted faking the Gulf of Tonkin incident and expressed regret over his actions. At any other time or country "I would have been executed for war crimes". Go figure!
Question is why did those propaganda writers and speakers never ever go to jail? 

The fake media is enemy No 1!


but according to gweggy and long the Gulf of Tonkin really happened..  Cheesy

and that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq  Cheesy

durrrrr  Cheesy



actually....


it really happened according to the hundreds that were there and every reputable historian. Only the tinfoil hat brigade says different.


please find any modern day article that backs up your assertion ..

otherwise ,

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you truly are a mental patient, fattie.

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Reply #70 - Apr 19th, 2017 at 12:13pm
 
you cant do it can you weakender .

you have been exposed again ..

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Reply #71 - Apr 19th, 2017 at 12:21pm
 
Weekend just can't deal with reality!

Best to just ignore him.

Poor bugger can't get a job and has to spend his selling his now worthless soul. Very sad.

Too bad his Mum doesn't post in Ozpolitic.
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Reply #72 - Apr 19th, 2017 at 12:57pm
 
Richdude wrote on Apr 19th, 2017 at 12:21pm:
Weekend just can't deal with reality!

Best to just ignore him.

Poor bugger can't get a job and has to spend his selling his now worthless soul. Very sad.

Too bad his Mum doesn't post in Ozpolitic.



It would be an interesting discussion on what you think is 'reality' since you seem to deny the common evidences.  But it would be like debating with a retarded child who is incapable of answering questions.
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http://www.globalresearch.ca/united-nations-confirmed-that-us-supported-rebels-w...

Washington’s False Flag: United Nations Confirmed that US Supported Syrian “Rebels” Were Using Chemical Weapons


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Image Head of UN Mission Carla del Ponte

Washington is Lying.

The Media is Lying.

Both Trump and Obama have blood on their hands. The Chemical Weapons Attack is being used as a “False Flag”, a pretext and a justification to wage an illegal war of aggression.

The United Nations in a 2013 report confirms that Syrian opposition “rebels” (supported by Washington) “may have used chemical weapons against [Syrian] government forces.”

The UN report refutes Washington’s allegations that the government of Bashar al Assad was using chemical weapons against his own people.

What the UN mission findings confirm is that the US sponsored opposition “rebels” largely composed of Al Qaeda affiliated groups, financed and supported by the Western military alliance were responsible for these 2013 chemical weapons attacks.

Moreover, as confirmed in an earlier report, the Al Qaeda rebels were being trained in the use of chemical weapons by specialists on contract to the Pentagon.

Washington (which supports the opposition rebels in the use of chemical weapons) rather than Damascus is responsible for extensive crimes against humanity.

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According to the United Nations 2013 mission led by Carla del Ponte:

“evidence from casualties and medical staff indicated that rebel forces in the civil war had used the deadly nerve agent sarin.

‘Our investigators have been in neighbouring countries interviewing victims, doctors and field hospitals, and there are strong, concrete suspicions, but not yet incontrovertible proof, of the use of sarin gas,’ said Del Ponte in an interview with Swiss-Italian television.

‘This was use on the part of the opposition, the rebels, not by the government authorities.’

Last night, the UN commission looking into allegations of war crimes in Syria tried to row back on the comments by its human rights investigator, pointing out that conclusive evidence had not been discovered.

However, the White House said it was likely that President Bashar al-Assad’s regime, not the rebels, were behind any chemical weapons use. …

Sarin has been classed as a weapon of mass destruction due to its potency and is banned under international law.

US President Barack Obama has said that the use or deployment of chemical weapons in Syria would cross a ‘red line’ that could lead to foreign military intervention. …

The comments by Ms Del Ponte, a member of the U.N. panel probing alleged war crimes in Syria, contradict claims by Britain and the U.S. that intelligence reports showed Syrian soldiers had used chemical weapons.

She said that the United Nations independent commission of inquiry on Syria has not yet seen evidence of government forces having used chemical weapons, which are banned under international law. (See Daily Mail Online, May 6, 2013))

The original source of this article is Global Research
Copyright © Prof Michel Chossudovsky, Global Research, 2017
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Reply #74 - Apr 20th, 2017 at 1:03am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Apr 18th, 2017 at 5:01pm:
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Apr 18th, 2017 at 7:25am:
Richdude wrote on Apr 18th, 2017 at 3:45am:
Before the Vietnam war the media was screaming "red menace", the "domino theory" and "if Australians don't fight the commos up there well be fighting them in the streets of Sydney". Total BS of course but it worked and if anyone dared to disagree or state the obvious he must a "commo sympathizer". Bit like being a "conspiracy theorist" now. Propaganda designed for the ignorant, apathetic and weak minded.

Same tactics was used by the US media to persuade the public. 50,000 US troops and over a million Vietnamese - much of Vietnam has been destroyed by the defoliants used.

McNamara admitted faking the Gulf of Tonkin incident and expressed regret over his actions. At any other time or country "I would have been executed for war crimes". Go figure!
Question is why did those propaganda writers and speakers never ever go to jail? 

The fake media is enemy No 1!


but according to gweggy and long the Gulf of Tonkin really happened..  Cheesy

and that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq  Cheesy

durrrrr  Cheesy



actually....


it really happened according to the hundreds that were there and every reputable historian. Only the tinfoil hat brigade says different.




You're pathetic weekend. You never ever acknowledge your mistakes.

So now you have the opportunity to right past wrongs by acknowledging now that you were wrong!

Don't quote the Womans Weekly - its not a credible source.

Gulf of Tonkin Incident

Ultimately, National Security Council documents declassified in 2005 (PDF) [2] would reveal that no attack on US warships had taken place.

It “is not simply that there is a different story as to what happened; it is that no attack happened that night,” they said. “In truth, Hanoi’s navy was engaged in nothing that night but the salvage of two of the boats damaged on August 2.”


http://www.voltairenet.org/article160995.html


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