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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Even the rain that falls won't actually fill our.. Reply #30 - Apr 4^th, 2017 at 3:50pm lee wrote on Apr 4^th, 2017 at 3:41pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 4^th, 2017 at 3:38pm: So no link that stressed plants need less water. I didn't say stressed plants need less water. I said they would be less stressed. No, you said stressed plants would need less water. So you were wrong. Noted.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Even the rain that falls won't actually fill our.. Reply #31 - Apr 4^th, 2017 at 3:52pm must have meant 280ppm then. Still means 96% natural is wrong.
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Reply #32 - Apr 4^th, 2017 at 4:24pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 4^th, 2017 at 3:52pm:

must have meant 280ppm then.

Still means 96% natural is wrong.

The man who believes in the science, doesn't. Grin

" It is true that human emissions of CO2 are small compared with natural sources. But the fact that CO2 levels have remained steady until very recently shows that natural emissions are usually balanced by natural absorptions. Now slightly more CO2 must be entering the atmosphere than is being soaked up by carbon “sinks”. "

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11638-climate-myths-human-co2-emissions-a...

And then - "natural emissions are usually balanced by natural absorptions"

So that would mean, if you believe in the "balance", that there was a natural balance when there was 2200ppm in the past, and the earth has lost its balancing capacity over a piffling 125ppm.

But according to Stephens et al 2012 the imbalance is 0.6w/m² +/-17w/m²

Down in the noise.

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Reply #33 - Apr 4^th, 2017 at 4:30pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 4^th, 2017 at 3:50pm:

lee wrote on Apr 4^th, 2017 at 3:41pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 4^th, 2017 at 3:38pm:

So no link that stressed plants need less water.

I didn't say stressed plants need less water. I said they would be less stressed. Wink

No, you said stressed plants would need less water.

So you were wrong. Noted.

lee wrote on Apr 4^th, 2017 at 10:58am:

Actually the plants use less water because of increased CO2. That should translate to less stress.

Note - I didn't say the tress trees were stressed in the fist first place, merely less stressed.

I am not sure if you are lying again because it comes naturally to you or you simply can't read.

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Reply #34 - Apr 4^th, 2017 at 4:36pm

lee wrote on Apr 4^th, 2017 at 4:30pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 4^th, 2017 at 3:50pm:

lee wrote on Apr 4^th, 2017 at 3:41pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 4^th, 2017 at 3:38pm:

So no link that stressed plants need less water.

I didn't say stressed plants need less water. I said they would be less stressed. Wink

No, you said stressed plants would need less water.

So you were wrong. Noted.

lee wrote on Apr 4^th, 2017 at 10:58am:

Actually the plants use less water because of increased CO2. That should translate to less stress.

Note - I didn't say the tress trees were stressed in the fist first place, merely less stressed.

OK. I just could not be bothered to go back a page to read your crap. I wonder how all that will translate to the real world.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21502 Gender:	Re: Even the rain that falls won't actually fill our.. Reply #35 - Apr 4^th, 2017 at 4:39pm Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 4^th, 2017 at 4:36pm: OK. I just could not be bothered to go back a page to read your crap. I wonder how all that will translate to the real world. AKA - Making Schitt up again.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Even the rain that falls won't actually fill our.. Reply #36 - Apr 4^th, 2017 at 6:03pm lee wrote on Apr 4^th, 2017 at 3:39pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 4^th, 2017 at 3:27pm: ask them Sorry not interested in asking people about re-interpreted remarks. you're only interested in pretending they made it up.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21502 Gender:	Re: Even the rain that falls won't actually fill our.. Reply #37 - Apr 4^th, 2017 at 6:51pm John Smith wrote on Apr 4^th, 2017 at 6:03pm: you're only interested in pretending they made it up. You mean they intuited what he meant, where the data came from, so it was accurate?
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Reply #38 - Apr 4^th, 2017 at 6:55pm

lee wrote on Apr 4^th, 2017 at 6:51pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 4^th, 2017 at 6:03pm:

you're only interested in pretending they made it up.

You mean they intuited what he meant, where the data came from, so it was accurate? Wink

no, I mean I don't know where they got there information from and until I see otherwise I take it at face value.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21502 Gender:	Re: Even the rain that falls won't actually fill our.. Reply #39 - Apr 4^th, 2017 at 7:46pm Nice to know you believe climate blogs.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Even the rain that falls won't actually fill our.. Reply #40 - Apr 4^th, 2017 at 8:20pm lee wrote on Apr 4^th, 2017 at 7:46pm: Nice to know you believe climate blogs. you think I should read blogs on collectables for my climate change information?
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21502 Gender:	Re: Even the rain that falls won't actually fill our.. Reply #41 - Apr 4^th, 2017 at 8:48pm John Smith wrote on Apr 4^th, 2017 at 8:20pm: lee wrote on Apr 4^th, 2017 at 7:46pm: Nice to know you believe climate blogs. you think I should read blogs on collectables for my climate change information? It depends on whether the blog backs up assertions with data.
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Reply #42 - May 12^th, 2024 at 2:43pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 4^th, 2017 at 8:33am:

Tim Flannery Did Not Say Australia’s Dams Would Never Fill Again

Denialists like Bolt claim that Flannery meant by this that our dams would never fill again at any time for any reason from the date Flannery was speaking. However, what Flannery was actually saying that climate trends at the time indicated a long-term outcome of normalized water shortage consistent with IPCC projections

Flannery’s comments were to the effect that Australia was at the time currently experiencing a 60% fall in run-off going into dams due to hotter soils and greater rainfall take-up by drought-stressed vegetation and that this would be indicative of what we could eventually expect as a consistent and normal outcome in the future.

He did not say that the dams would never fill again at any time from the date he was speaking, which is the thick-as-a-brick intentionally distorted view presented by Bolt and fellow travellers. Flannery was pointing to a long-term outcome of normalized water shortage based on current data and climate trends.

Flannery’s quote in context is:

We’re already seeing the initial impacts and they include a decline in the winter rainfall zone across southern Australia, which is clearly an impact of climate change, but also a decrease in run-off. Although we’re getting say a 20 per cent decrease in rainfall in some areas of Australia, that’s translating to a 60 per cent decrease in the run-off into the dams and rivers. That’s because the soil is warmer because of global warming and the plants are under more stress and therefore using more moisture. So even the rain that falls isn’t actually going to fill our dams and our river systems

Bolt knows, but pretends not to know, that Flannery was applying IPCC modelling and projections to (then) present circumstances in relation to reduced rainfall and that Flannery’s statement are in accordance with those. Bolt also knows that IPCC projections include intensified (i.e. more severe) but rarer flooding events, which of course would fill the dams.

https://indifferencegivesyouafright.wordpress.com/2012/08/06/tim-flannery-did-no...

so who's 'thick as a brick'? Cheesy

You. Still you.

Flummery back in 2007:
Tim Flannery...declared rather bizarrely in 2007 that hotter soils meant that “even the rain that falls isn’t actually going to fill our dams and river systems”.

story/acddb57296ca2feb45b7387729dea420]Sydney’s Warragamba Dam has begun to spill after reaching full capacity following days of rain, as severe weather warnings continue across parts of NSW.[/url]

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Reply #43 - May 12^th, 2024 at 2:46pm

Frank wrote on May 12^th, 2024 at 2:43pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 4^th, 2017 at 8:33am:

Tim Flannery Did Not Say Australia’s Dams Would Never Fill Again

Denialists like Bolt claim that Flannery meant by this that our dams would never fill again at any time for any reason from the date Flannery was speaking. However, what Flannery was actually saying that climate trends at the time indicated a long-term outcome of normalized water shortage consistent with IPCC projections

Flannery’s comments were to the effect that Australia was at the time currently experiencing a 60% fall in run-off going into dams due to hotter soils and greater rainfall take-up by drought-stressed vegetation and that this would be indicative of what we could eventually expect as a consistent and normal outcome in the future.

He did not say that the dams would never fill again at any time from the date he was speaking, which is the thick-as-a-brick intentionally distorted view presented by Bolt and fellow travellers. Flannery was pointing to a long-term outcome of normalized water shortage based on current data and climate trends.

Flannery’s quote in context is:

We’re already seeing the initial impacts and they include a decline in the winter rainfall zone across southern Australia, which is clearly an impact of climate change, but also a decrease in run-off. Although we’re getting say a 20 per cent decrease in rainfall in some areas of Australia, that’s translating to a 60 per cent decrease in the run-off into the dams and rivers. That’s because the soil is warmer because of global warming and the plants are under more stress and therefore using more moisture. So even the rain that falls isn’t actually going to fill our dams and our river systems

Bolt knows, but pretends not to know, that Flannery was applying IPCC modelling and projections to (then) present circumstances in relation to reduced rainfall and that Flannery’s statement are in accordance with those. Bolt also knows that IPCC projections include intensified (i.e. more severe) but rarer flooding events, which of course would fill the dams.

https://indifferencegivesyouafright.wordpress.com/2012/08/06/tim-flannery-did-no...

so who's 'thick as a brick'? Cheesy

You. Still you.

12/05/2024
Sydney’s Warragamba Dam has begun to spill after reaching full capacity following days of rain, as severe weather warnings continue across parts of NSW.

Still struggling I see. Cheesy

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Reply #44 - May 12^th, 2024 at 3:04pm

John Smith wrote on May 12^th, 2024 at 2:46pm:

Frank wrote on May 12^th, 2024 at 2:43pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 4^th, 2017 at 8:33am:

Tim Flannery Did Not Say Australia’s Dams Would Never Fill Again

Denialists like Bolt claim that Flannery meant by this that our dams would never fill again at any time for any reason from the date Flannery was speaking. However, what Flannery was actually saying that climate trends at the time indicated a long-term outcome of normalized water shortage consistent with IPCC projections

Flannery’s comments were to the effect that Australia was at the time currently experiencing a 60% fall in run-off going into dams due to hotter soils and greater rainfall take-up by drought-stressed vegetation and that this would be indicative of what we could eventually expect as a consistent and normal outcome in the future.

He did not say that the dams would never fill again at any time from the date he was speaking, which is the thick-as-a-brick intentionally distorted view presented by Bolt and fellow travellers. Flannery was pointing to a long-term outcome of normalized water shortage based on current data and climate trends.

Flannery’s quote in context is:

We’re already seeing the initial impacts and they include a decline in the winter rainfall zone across southern Australia, which is clearly an impact of climate change, but also a decrease in run-off. Although we’re getting say a 20 per cent decrease in rainfall in some areas of Australia, that’s translating to a 60 per cent decrease in the run-off into the dams and rivers. That’s because the soil is warmer because of global warming and the plants are under more stress and therefore using more moisture. So even the rain that falls isn’t actually going to fill our dams and our river systems

Bolt knows, but pretends not to know, that Flannery was applying IPCC modelling and projections to (then) present circumstances in relation to reduced rainfall and that Flannery’s statement are in accordance with those. Bolt also knows that IPCC projections include intensified (i.e. more severe) but rarer flooding events, which of course would fill the dams.

https://indifferencegivesyouafright.wordpress.com/2012/08/06/tim-flannery-did-no...

so who's 'thick as a brick'? Cheesy

You. Still you.

12/05/2024
Sydney’s Warragamba Dam has begun to spill after reaching full capacity following days of rain, as severe weather warnings continue across parts of NSW.

Still struggling I see. Cheesy

What did he say, thicko?

So even the rain that falls isn’t actually going to fill our dams and our river systems.

And they made him Chief Climate Commissioner! Cheesy

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